Liberals are Fighting a Losing Battle on Voter ID Laws

rockin'robin · 04-26-2012, 12:06 AM

For the last month or two, conservative legislatures in many states have been passing laws that require voters to present photo identification before they can vote. These laws were demonized by the left, including Rev. Al Sharpton, saying on MSNBC that "this is the first time in 47 years we have seen such a frontal attack on the voting rights act." While there have been many studies and reports on the true impact of voter fraud, large and unsubstantiated claims from advocates have attracted more attention. New Mexico Secretary of State Diana Duran claimed there were 64,000 cases of possible voter fraud, 10 percent of the number of people who voted in New Mexico.

While it may seem that the GOP's motives to push so hard for these laws is the political advantage, the fact is the majority of Americans feel like this legislation is sensible, so the motives of the legislation are irrelevant to them. It doesn't really seem believable that the GOP would be willing to risk the potential backlash of this legislation just to prevent voter fraud. The Brennan Center for Justice case studies show voter fraud is usually exaggerated and incorrectly reported because of clerical errors. Real confirmed or investigated cases of people committing any type of voter fraud are so minuscule that it makes it hard to believe there is no ulterior motive.

The GOP is an incredibly shrewd party, and I think they know that this fit perfectly into the fabricated belief that conservatives are constantly victimized, because of the many claims that it is an attempt to disenfranchise minority voters. It also reverberates with the more extreme members of the party who believe Obama and the big government machine, funded by George Soros, is going to cheat the election and establish some type of Orwellian police state.

A poll released by Fox News claimed that 70 percent of people were in favor of voter I.D. measures, and a majority believed that opposition to such measures is an attempt to increase ineligible voter participation. It is fair to assume that those numbers aren't a completely accurate representation of the country, but even if the results are inflated, it does seem like independents and moderate Democrats is a general support for I.D. requirements.

The reality is that even though the motivation for it could be perverse and opportunistic, a requirement to present ID to vote is not that burdensome or oppressive. If Democrats continue to challenge this they leave themselves very open to attacks on their commitment to preserving the integrity of democracy. Fighting a losing battle never helps anyone.

Liberals are Fighting a Losing Battle on Voter ID Laws - Yahoo! News

**Foxrac** · 04-26-2012, 12:19 AM

I don't have any problem with ID requirement for voters, however due to my political nature, I don't agree about photo ID as sole requirement.

kokonut · 04-26-2012, 12:44 AM

They sure are not screaming over required ID checks for those buying alcoholic drinks. Heck, I've seen people go to voter registration table and present false names, and the people at the table would NOT ask for an ID. Make sense to require ID.

rockin'robin · 04-26-2012, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokonut

They sure are not screaming over required ID checks for those buying alcoholic drinks. Heck, I've seen people go to voter registration table and present false names, and the people at the table would ask for an ID. Make sense to require ID.

Right...and I'm asked for my DL whenever I use my ATM card....Am hoping that anyone/those who vote using fraudulent ID's will be convicted to the full extent of the law....even banned from ever voting again....The upcoming presidential election?....More fraudulent voters.....

kokonut · 04-26-2012, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Right...and I'm asked for my DL whenever I use my ATM card....Am hoping that anyone/those who vote using fraudulent ID's will be convicted to the full extent of the law....even banned from ever voting again....The upcoming presidential election?....More fraudulent voters.....

I corrected my comment above. I've seen examples of those at the registration NOT ask for ID when a person comes in a fake name.

Need to reduce the cheating in the voting booths by fraudulent means. It just boggles the mind that there are people trying to stop voter ID requirements. Their agenda is obvious.

rockin'robin · 04-26-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I corrected my comment above. I've seen examples of those at the registration NOT ask for ID when a person comes in a fake name.

Need to reduce the cheating in the voting booths by fraudulent means. It just boggles the mind that there are people trying to stop voter ID requirements. Their agenda is obvious.

Right on the spot, Koko....we all know it...and of course "they" know it....

**Foxrac** · 04-26-2012, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokonut

They sure are not screaming over required ID checks for those buying alcoholic drinks. Heck, I've seen people go to voter registration table and present false names, and the people at the table would NOT ask for an ID. Make sense to require ID.

Compare with alcoholic beverages are bad and it is not necessary to drink alcoholic beverage, however votes are...

Based on my experience, the votes are traditionally not require ID unless you are first time voter like one in IL and CA, in some cases, the poll workers can ask for documents if they think someone may suspect of vote fraud. Some people are placed on provisional voting after failed to show any documents and it means votes will NOT counted so you must present the documents within 5 days.

The vote fraud is just much minority, less than 1% but suspicious may be greater than this number and have to rule it out. We do have good law that fight against vote fraud and mandatory photo ID won't help with vote fraud, just very little.

**Foxrac** · 04-26-2012, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Right...and I'm asked for my DL whenever I use my ATM card....Am hoping that anyone/those who vote using fraudulent ID's will be convicted to the full extent of the law....even banned from ever voting again....The upcoming presidential election?....More fraudulent voters.....

ID isn't required for use debit card and credit card at most stores, however there are several stores require ID for purchases with credit card only. I never present my ID with debit card.

We have good law that deal with vote fraud and I'm not concerned at all.

I doubt, it just like in 2004 and 2008.

Waterboy · 04-26-2012, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokonut

I corrected my comment above. I've seen examples of those at the registration NOT ask for ID when a person comes in a fake name.

Need to reduce the cheating in the voting booths by fraudulent means. It just boggles the mind that there are people trying to stop voter ID requirements. Their agenda is obvious.

You hang around voting booths a lot? How would you know if somebody gave a fake name? You know everybody that comes in to vote?

kokonut · 04-26-2012, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waterboy

You hang around voting booths a lot? How would you know if somebody gave a fake name? You know everybody that comes in to vote?

No.

I watched it happened...several times at a registration table.

No.

**Reba** · 04-26-2012, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waterboy

You hang around voting booths a lot? How would you know if somebody gave a fake name? You know everybody that comes in to vote?

Says the fake name expert.

**Jiro** · 04-26-2012, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokonut

No.

I watched it happened...several times at a registration table.

No.

so what did you do about it? reported it or just shrugged and walked away?

kokonut · 04-26-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Says the fake name expert.

Yeah, it was pretty surreal seeing it all unfold.

**Foxrac** · 04-26-2012, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

so what did you do about it? reported it or just shrugged and walked away?

He probably shrugged and walked away.

04-26-2012, 12:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,644	Liberals are Fighting a Losing Battle on Voter ID Laws For the last month or two, conservative legislatures in many states have been passing laws that require voters to present photo identification before they can vote. These laws were demonized by the left, including Rev. Al Sharpton, saying on MSNBC that "this is the first time in 47 years we have seen such a frontal attack on the voting rights act." While there have been many studies and reports on the true impact of voter fraud, large and unsubstantiated claims from advocates have attracted more attention. New Mexico Secretary of State Diana Duran claimed there were 64,000 cases of possible voter fraud, 10 percent of the number of people who voted in New Mexico. While it may seem that the GOP's motives to push so hard for these laws is the political advantage, the fact is the majority of Americans feel like this legislation is sensible, so the motives of the legislation are irrelevant to them. It doesn't really seem believable that the GOP would be willing to risk the potential backlash of this legislation just to prevent voter fraud. The Brennan Center for Justice case studies show voter fraud is usually exaggerated and incorrectly reported because of clerical errors. Real confirmed or investigated cases of people committing any type of voter fraud are so minuscule that it makes it hard to believe there is no ulterior motive. The GOP is an incredibly shrewd party, and I think they know that this fit perfectly into the fabricated belief that conservatives are constantly victimized, because of the many claims that it is an attempt to disenfranchise minority voters. It also reverberates with the more extreme members of the party who believe Obama and the big government machine, funded by George Soros, is going to cheat the election and establish some type of Orwellian police state. A poll released by Fox News claimed that 70 percent of people were in favor of voter I.D. measures, and a majority believed that opposition to such measures is an attempt to increase ineligible voter participation. It is fair to assume that those numbers aren't a completely accurate representation of the country, but even if the results are inflated, it does seem like independents and moderate Democrats is a general support for I.D. requirements. The reality is that even though the motivation for it could be perverse and opportunistic, a requirement to present ID to vote is not that burdensome or oppressive. If Democrats continue to challenge this they leave themselves very open to attacks on their commitment to preserving the integrity of democracy. Fighting a losing battle never helps anyone. Liberals are Fighting a Losing Battle on Voter ID Laws - Yahoo! News airportcop likes this.

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	They sure are not screaming over required ID checks for those buying alcoholic drinks. Heck, I've seen people go to voter registration table and present false names, and the people at the table would NOT ask for an ID. Make sense to require ID. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth." Last edited by kokonut; 04-26-2012 at 10:46 AM.

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