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Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Sure it does. It's called hypocrisy.

How so? Two different goverments. Two different situations.

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

No. Because there is a difference between the two countries. Mexico and America do not have the same laws or government that is supposed to apply to all people in the same.

I am seeing the disparity between the public's desire on seeing more control of illegal immigration and the actions of lawmakers (eg Arizona vs Administration) as compared to the difference on what Mexico has done to control their illegal immigration in their country. You don't see Mexico as having a pervasive illegal aliens problem, do you?

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

How so? Two different goverments. Two different situations.

Simple. Let me explain to you. Mexico's deals with illegal immigration much more harshly, it's a veritable police state where you can't go for a 1000 mile round trip into Mexico without getting stopped 20 times and get you and your car searched. Yet and the same time the Mexico's govt gives their blessings to see that their own citizens cross into the U.S. as illegal aliens. After all, Mexico gets billions of dollars from illegal aliens in the U.S. sent to their families living in Mexico. That's the hypocrisy.

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I am seeing the disparity between the public's desire on seeing more control of illegal immigration and the actions of lawmakers (eg Arizona vs Administration) as compared to the difference on what Mexico has done to control their illegal immigration in their country. You don't see Mexico as having a pervasive illegal aliens problem, do you?

There are a lot of reasons that Mexico doesn't have a problem with illegal immigration. No one wants to go there. They are all trying to get somewhere else.

There is a disparity in what some people want to see done with illegal immigrants and what the law allows in this country. Mexicans aren't the only people here illegally you know.

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Simple. Let me explain to you. Mexico's deals with illegal immigration much more harshly, it's a veritable police state where you can't go for a 1000 mile round trip into Mexico without getting stopped 20 times and get you and your car searched. Yet and the same time the Mexico's govt gives their blessings to see that their own citizens cross into the U.S. as illegal aliens. After all, Mexico gets billions of dollars from illegal aliens in the U.S. sent to their families living in Mexico. That's the hypocrisy.

They give their blessings? Then why do people have to be smuggled out?

Billions of dollars? From itinerant farm workers and under the table construction crews?

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 11:15 AM

It is estimated that worldwide remittances amount to more than $126 billion. Remittances have become a considerable force in the economy of many countries. Among the countries that receive the most in remittances are Mexico, the Philippines and India. Last year Mexico received more than $17 billion in remittances. The amount of remittances in Mexico exceeds the amount of foreign direct investment in the country. This is not surprising given that a significant portion of Hispanics in the United States are of Mexican descent. Other Latin American countries like El Salvador are popular destinations for remittances. In 2005 approximately $2.5 billion was sent to El Salvador. The amount represented more than 13% of El Salvador’s GDP, or gross domestic product. It is estimated that Latin Americans residing in the United States send $30 billion dollars to their native countries.
http://charlotte.questionfish.com/as...xico-each-year

These numbers are for illegal and legal immigrants. Reduce it to just illegal immigrants, and the numbers go way down. Illegal immigrants just don't have a lot of ability to make huge amounts of money to send home. But it is well known that many legal immigrants to this country send money to their families in other countries. That is where the bulk of the money is coming from.

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

There are a lot of reasons that Mexico doesn't have a problem with illegal immigration. No one wants to go there. They are all trying to get somewhere else.

There is a disparity in what some people want to see done with illegal immigrants and what the law allows in this country. Mexicans aren't the only people here illegally you know.

That'd be incorrect. If you look at Mexico's own border issue down on their southern border you can see illegal aliens trying to get into Mexico's southern end for a better opportunity in Mexico.

Which is why I use the term "Illegal Aliens." I assigned no race or ethnic description other than we have an illegal alien problems with our southern borders.

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

They give their blessings? Then why do people have to be smuggled out?

Billions of dollars? From itinerant farm workers and under the table construction crews?

Smuggled out? So they won't get caught by the border guards. What else?

Yes, billions of dollars.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...emittances.pdf

CDCU Launches “Remittance Corridor” with Federal Reserve, Mexican Consulate

Remittance-Senders (Mostly Illegals) Ship $25 Billion a Year Out of the U.S. | Center for Immigration Studies

Don't laugh.

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Smuggled out? So they won't get caught by the border guards. What else?

Yes, billions of dollars.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...emittances.pdf

CDCU Launches “Remittance Corridor” with Federal Reserve, Mexican Consulate

Remittance-Senders (Mostly Illegals) Ship $25 Billion a Year Out of the U.S. | Center for Immigration Studies

Don't laugh.

And let's see. There are border guards on both sides of the border, right?

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Smuggled out? So they won't get caught by the border guards. What else?

Yes, billions of dollars.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...emittances.pdf

CDCU Launches “Remittance Corridor” with Federal Reserve, Mexican Consulate

Remittance-Senders (Mostly Illegals) Ship $25 Billion a Year Out of the U.S. | Center for Immigration Studies

Don't laugh.

Money sent "overseas" is hardly going into Mexico. Unless there is an ocean at the border I don't know about.

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

And let's see. There are border guards on both sides of the border, right?

Not in all areas.

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Not in all areas.

In some areas there aren't border guards on either side. So getting past the border guards as your reason doesn't mean much.

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

Money sent "overseas" is hardly going into Mexico. Unless there is an ocean at the border I don't know about.

Fact is billions of dollars have been sent over to Mexico by illegal aliens to their families in Mexico. Sending money over there is easily done.

**Jiro** · 04-29-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Fact is billions of dollars have been sent over to Mexico by illegal aliens to their families in Mexico. Sending money over there is easily done.

so where are they getting money from?

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

In some areas there aren't border guards on either side. So getting past the border guards as your reason doesn't mean much.

Smuggling people out is done for various reasons may it be hoping for a better life or job, part of the drug trade, prostitution, etc. Just as smuggling out contraband, drugs, guns or what have you. When you smuggle someone out it means doing something illegal hoping not to get caught by the authorities, eg the border guards. It'd be silly to smuggle in a perfectly good legal alien with no priors or convictions and has the papers to gain entry into the U.S. To smuggle means an illicit activity in this case.

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

Money sent "overseas" is hardly going into Mexico. Unless there is an ocean at the border I don't know about.

Yes, monies are being sent to Mexico by illegal aliens for their families in Mexico. Nothing new about that.

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Fact is billions of dollars have been sent over to Mexico by illegal aliens to their families in Mexico. Sending money over there is easily done.

Wouldn't that be down there? Mexico is south of America. Most sent by legal immigrants. Check my link from before.

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yes, monies are being sent to Mexico by illegal aliens for their families in Mexico. Nothing new about that.

Nothing new about immigrants from everywhere sending money to their families in other countries. Not just Mexico. Most is sent by legal immigrants.

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so where are they getting money from?

People here in the US that are hiring illegal immigrants.

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

Wouldn't that be down there? Mexico is south of America. Most sent by legal immigrants. Check my link from before.

I already said Mexico. Monies are sent to their family by both illegal and legal immigrants. It is still billions of dollars sent to their family by illegal immigrants.

For example....
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/us/01immigration.html

Has Self-Deportation Started? - CNN iReport

Waterboy · 04-29-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I already said Mexico. Monies are sent to their family by both illegal and legal immigrants. It is still billions of dollars sent to their family by illegal immigrants.

For example....
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/us/01immigration.html

Has Self-Deportation Started? - CNN iReport

The most of the money sent is stll sent by immigrants that are here legally.
Not denying that illegal immigrants also send money back home. They couldn't if Americans weren't hiring them until they got a work Visa and legal status though, could they?

kokonut · 04-29-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

The most of the money sent is stll sent by immigrants that are here legally.
Not denying that illegal immigrants also send money back home. They couldn't if Americans weren't hiring them until they got a work Visa and legal status though, could they?

Billions of dollars sent back home....something you laughed at from the beginning.

Highly unlikely that more money from legal/authorized immigrants was sent home than illegal/unauthorized immigrants.

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The largest wave of immigration in history from a single country to the United States has come to a standstill. After four decades that brought 12 million current immigrants—most of whom came illegally—the net migration flow from Mexico to the United States has stopped and may have reversed, according to a new analysis of government data from both countries by the Pew Hispanic Center, a project of the Pew Research Center.

Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero

It was wave after wave after wave of illegal immigrants entering the United States that built up the Hispanic population and the group that sent money home billions of dollars worth.

**Jiro** · 04-29-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Billions of dollars sent back home....something you laughed at from the beginning.

Highly unlikely that more money from legal/authorized immigrants was sent home than illegal/unauthorized immigrants.

Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero

It was wave after wave after wave of illegal immigrants entering the United States that built up the Hispanic population and the group that sent money home billions of dollars worth.

in other word.... you don't know for sure if more money was sent by illegals than legal immigrants.

you know what's laughable? this so-called "billions" is a paltry amount compared to amount that American citizens and our politicians including your beloved Republicans send to offshore accounts. Yes Democrats too but majority of arrests and imprisonments are Republican figures.

airportcop · 04-29-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

Wonder how long it will take before the courts are filled with cases because some cop has pulled someone who is a legal citizen but looks Hispanic over without cause just to check their immigration status?

That's not at all what the AZ law says! First of all let me educate you. Cops can't pull people over without probable cause for a traffic stop such as breaking the law by speeding, equipment issues, etc... Then after they legally pull them over and IF they suspect that they may be here illegally (can't seem to produce a license or can't speak English) they can ask for their immigration papers.

**Foxrac** · 04-29-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

That's not at all what the AZ law says! First of all let me educate you. Cops can't pull people over without probable cause for a traffic stop such as breaking the law by speeding, equipment issues, etc... Then after they legally pull them over and IF they suspect that they may be here illegally (can't seem to produce a license or can't speak English) they can ask for their immigration papers.

It is called secondary law.

It is unlawfully to drive without driver license.

**TXgolfer** · 04-29-2012, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

There are a lot of reasons that Mexico doesn't have a problem with illegal immigration. No one wants to go there. They are all trying to get somewhere else.

Totally incorrect. Mexico is a wonderful place to live. Great culture, great climate and beautiful coasts. Tons of money to be made there to if you can score a permit from the corrupt government.

Even tiny Costa Rica has illegal immigration problems.

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Waterboy Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: United States Posts: 455	It is estimated that worldwide remittances amount to more than $126 billion. Remittances have become a considerable force in the economy of many countries. Among the countries that receive the most in remittances are Mexico, the Philippines and India. Last year Mexico received more than $17 billion in remittances. The amount of remittances in Mexico exceeds the amount of foreign direct investment in the country. This is not surprising given that a significant portion of Hispanics in the United States are of Mexican descent. Other Latin American countries like El Salvador are popular destinations for remittances. In 2005 approximately $2.5 billion was sent to El Salvador. The amount represented more than 13% of El Salvador’s GDP, or gross domestic product. It is estimated that Latin Americans residing in the United States send $30 billion dollars to their native countries. http://charlotte.questionfish.com/as...xico-each-year These numbers are for illegal and legal immigrants. Reduce it to just illegal immigrants, and the numbers go way down. Illegal immigrants just don't have a lot of ability to make huge amounts of money to send home. But it is well known that many legal immigrants to this country send money to their families in other countries. That is where the bulk of the money is coming from.