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Unread 06-25-2012, 08:17 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Who said I was blaming non-citizens besides you?! Fine and shut down companies employing illegals!
There goes most of your food producers!
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Unread 06-25-2012, 08:18 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Sadly, the part they approved is the part that will allow LEO to use their own judgment, based on the appearance of being illegal - meaning Hispanic. It was the one thing in this law I really didn't care for. If I lived in AZ, I would stay out of the sun.
that's ok with me. I'm sure that Arizona especially Sheriff Arpaio will tread very carefully not to anger Supreme Court into overturning this provision.
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Unread 06-25-2012, 08:19 PM   #123 (permalink)
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wonder if IRS knows what you've been up to
This is a post you might want to seriously consider deleting. Just an FYI.

But, that being said, I rarely paid by contract labor, and when I did I sent a 1099 as required.
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acknowledge what? like I said - it has been allowed in the first place. this was nothing for me to cheer about. workable? sure. disappointing for ya'all? very.

this Supreme Court ruling is a stark reminder for all states to tread carefully.
Justice Scalia sure didn't think so! He dissented!

"The president said at a news conference that the new program is 'the right thing to do' in light of Congress's failure to pass the administra*tion's proposed revision of the Immigration Act," Scalia, a Reagan appointee, wrote in his dissent. "Perhaps it is, though Arizona may not think so. But to say, as the Court does, that Arizona contradicts federal law by enforc*ing applications of the Immigration Act that the President declines to enforce boggles the mind."
Scalia went on to write:
Arizona bears the brunt of the country's illegal immigration problem. Its citizens feel themselves under siege by large numbers of illegal immigrants who invade their property, strain their social services, and even place their lives in jeopardy. Federal officials have been unable to remedy the problem,and indeed have recently shown that they are unwilling to do so. Thousands of Arizona's estimated 400,000 illegal immigrants—including not just children but men and women under 30—are now assured immunity from en*forcement, and will be able to compete openly with Ari*zona citizens for employment.
Scalia also repeatedly referenced Obama's policy of prosecutorial discretion, which directs Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to prioritize deporting the illegal immigrants who are frequent border crossers, have committed crimes, or recently entered the country illegally. The Obama administration has deported a record number of illegal immigrants, but its prosecutorial discretion policy still draws the ire of illegal immigration hawks.
Scalia directly referred to Obama's immigration enforcement policy as "lax" at one point.
"Must Arizona's ability to protect its borders yield to the reality that Congress has provided inadequate funding for federal enforcement—or, even worse, to the executive's unwise targeting of that funding?" Scalia asked. Later, he added: "What I do fear—and what Arizona and the States that support it fear—is that 'federal policies' of nonen*forcement will leave the States helpless before those evil effects of illegal immigration."
The federal government "does not want to enforce the immigration laws as written, and leaves the States' borders unprotected against immigrants whom those laws would exclude," Scalia alleged.
Arizona's entire immigration law should be upheld, Scalia wrote, because it is "entitled" to make its own immigration policy. At one point, he cites the fact that before the Civil War, Southern states could exclude free blacks from their borders to support the idea that states should be able to set their own immigration policies.
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that's ok with me. I'm sure that Arizona especially Sheriff Arpaio will tread very carefully not to anger Supreme Court into overturning this provision.
Wait and see.
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Incorrect! Some may still be arrested depending on their status or what they were stopped for!
Only arrest will make if they break any laws than just immigrant only like try to steal the truck or use illegal drugs. They can't make arrest if they get pull over for not wear seatbelt or speeding at 5 MPH over the limit.
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Sadly, the part they approved is the part that will allow LEO to use their own judgment, based on the appearance of being illegal - meaning Hispanic. It was the one thing in this law I really didn't care for. If I lived in AZ, I would stay out of the sun.
Yes I think it was the part most people had a problem with. The ruling was quite a surprise.
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But, that being said, I rarely paid by contract labor, and when I did I sent a 1099 as required.
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Justice Scalia sure didn't think so! He dissented!

"The president said at a news conference that the new program is 'the right thing to do' in light of Congress's failure to pass the administra*tion's proposed revision of the Immigration Act," Scalia, a Reagan appointee, wrote in his dissent. "Perhaps it is, though Arizona may not think so. But to say, as the Court does, that Arizona contradicts federal law by enforc*ing applications of the Immigration Act that the President declines to enforce boggles the mind."
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Arizona bears the brunt of the country's illegal immigration problem. Its citizens feel themselves under siege by large numbers of illegal immigrants who invade their property, strain their social services, and even place their lives in jeopardy. Federal officials have been unable to remedy the problem,and indeed have recently shown that they are unwilling to do so. Thousands of Arizona's estimated 400,000 illegal immigrants—including not just children but men and women under 30—are now assured immunity from en*forcement, and will be able to compete openly with Ari*zona citizens for employment.
Scalia also repeatedly referenced Obama's policy of prosecutorial discretion, which directs Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to prioritize deporting the illegal immigrants who are frequent border crossers, have committed crimes, or recently entered the country illegally. The Obama administration has deported a record number of illegal immigrants, but its prosecutorial discretion policy still draws the ire of illegal immigration hawks.
Scalia directly referred to Obama's immigration enforcement policy as "lax" at one point.
"Must Arizona's ability to protect its borders yield to the reality that Congress has provided inadequate funding for federal enforcement—or, even worse, to the executive's unwise targeting of that funding?" Scalia asked. Later, he added: "What I do fear—and what Arizona and the States that support it fear—is that 'federal policies' of nonen*forcement will leave the States helpless before those evil effects of illegal immigration."
The federal government "does not want to enforce the immigration laws as written, and leaves the States' borders unprotected against immigrants whom those laws would exclude," Scalia alleged.
Arizona's entire immigration law should be upheld, Scalia wrote, because it is "entitled" to make its own immigration policy. At one point, he cites the fact that before the Civil War, Southern states could exclude free blacks from their borders to support the idea that states should be able to set their own immigration policies.
so? every supreme court ruling has a dissenter.
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Yup, I'm wondering about that.
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Only arrest will make if they break any laws than just immigrant only like try to steal the truck or use illegal drugs. They can't make arrest if they get pull over for not wear seatbelt or speeding at 5 MPH over the limit.
I don't know about AZ but in Missouri I can arrest you for speeding! There are also convicted felon illegals out there that can and still will be arrested & deported when found by the police.
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I don't know about AZ but in Missouri I can arrest you for speeding! There are also convicted felon illegals out there that can and still will be arrested & deported when found by the police.
convicted felon? they're either already in jail or deported
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Yes I think it was the part most people had a problem with. The ruling was quite a surprise.
Agreed.
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Mitt Romney admitted that he isn't happy with Supreme Court ruling.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1624618.html

Hey Mitt Romney, thank you for telling us a honest about your expression, however our constitution trumps Arizona.

Some people in here won't tell a honest about expression.
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so? every supreme court ruling has a dissenter.
Alito and Thomas also dissented! 5-3 is almost a split!
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All of them? You sure?
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Alito and Thomas also dissented! 5-3 is almost a split!
*shrug* not a concern to me. it has been overturned with one provision upheld. a major victory for us. a major stern warning to states - TREAD CAREFULLY.

entire Arizona's immigration law can easily be overturned at anytime if they abuse their power with just a snap of fingers. I wouldn't be surprised if Sheriff Arpaio get arrested and charged.
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convicted felon? they're either already in jail or deported
Wake up jiro as you don't know what you think you know! Past convicted felons that have been released still come back to the US illegally at times. Usually drugs are involved but so do murderers, rapists and robbery ex-cons! I deal with the system, I know!
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I hope so!
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Yes I think it was the part most people had a problem with. The ruling was quite a surprise.
Yup, finally, thank you for telling us a honest.
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Wake up jiro as you don't know what you think you know! Past convicted felons that have been released still come back to the US illegally at times. Usually drugs are involved but so are murders, rape and robbery ex-cons! I deal with the system, I know!
of course!

but are most of them illegals? most of times in newspapers, convicted felons who have been arrested again are white people
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*shrug* not a concern to me. it has been overturned with one provision upheld. a major victory for us. a major stern warning to states - TREAD CAREFULLY.

entire Arizona's immigration law can easily be overturned at anytime if they abuse their power with just a snap of fingers. I wouldn't be surprised if Sheriff Arpaio get arrested and charged.
I seriously doubt that Obama or his flunkies have the balls to arrest Sheriff Arpaio!!! That would mean another dirty, costly court battle!
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but are most of them illegals? most of times in newspapers, convicted felons who have been arrested again are white people
We have been talking about illegals here in case you didn't notice!!! Is that another racist remark?!
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I don't know about AZ but in Missouri I can arrest you for speeding! There are also convicted felon illegals out there that can and still will be arrested & deported when found by the police.
Arrest me for speeding at 5 MPH over speed limit? That's extremely ridiculous.

In our state, if you speed 25 MPH over the speed limit so you will be arrest and go to jail for reckless driving, however between 15-25 MPH - high fine for combined of reckless driving and speeding.

Convicted felon illegals? you or ICE lets them free? That's disgusted because they need be deported immediately after serve the sentence.
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I seriously doubt that Obama or his flunkies have the balls to arrest Sheriff Arpaio!!!

That would mean another dirty, costly court battle!
not really. but this is for Sheriff Arpaio and Arizona.

Federal Judge Faults Arizona Sheriff In Immigration Raid | Fox News Latino
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We have been talking about illegals here in case you didn't notice!!! Is that another racist remark?!
Like I said - most of convicted felons I have read in newspapers who were arrested again are white people.
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Agreed.
I really didn't think the court would uphold this part. I do hope the cops will use fair and good judgement. I don't think the Hispanic community will trust them....thus, desired and undesired effect at the same time.
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