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Unread 04-23-2012, 08:09 PM   #31 (permalink)
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And you are correct. Congress said no because Obama wanted to raise taxes AND raise spending. Congress is willing to go along with a little bit of tax increase AND a little bit of spending cut. Then Obama said no.
Incorrect, Obama wants combined of tax increase and spending cut (especially defense) but house of rep said no. Both of sides disagree left as impasses.

If you think it is violation of US constitution so feel free to challenge in the court. I don't see everything like that.
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Unread 04-23-2012, 09:36 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Forbes....4/14/2011
Obama's Budget Speech Frames the Debate for 2012

"what Obama is proposing is to raise federal taxes well above the long term historical average, even more healy focused on the nation's employers and investors, to pay for much more federal spending wel above long term historical average,"


CNN Politics.....2/13/2012
President Obama Unveils $3.8 Trillion Budget

"President Obama unveiled a $3.8 trillion budget request Monday, that hikes taxes on the rich, spends new money on infrastructures and education, but does little to reform the entitlement programs that pose the biggest long-term threat to the Federal budget."
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Forbes....4/14/2011
Obama's Budget Speech Frames the Debate for 2012

"what Obama is proposing is to raise federal taxes well above the long term historical average, even more healy focused on the nation's employers and investors, to pay for much more federal spending wel above long term historical average,"


CNN Politics.....2/13/2012
President Obama Unveils $3.8 Trillion Budget

"President Obama unveiled a $3.8 trillion budget request Monday, that hikes taxes on the rich, spends new money on infrastructures and education, but does little to reform the entitlement programs that pose the biggest long-term threat to the Federal budget."
Education and infrastructure are very important, IMO and the defense should be focused at our county, not other goddamn countries, IMO.

I'm favor tax increase as well.
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Education and infrastructure are very important, IMO and the defense should be focused at our county, not other goddamn countries, IMO.

I'm favor tax increase as well.
Do you favor cutting entitlement programs also? The reason I ask is because Obama wants to spend more, much more, on entitlements.
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Do you favor cutting entitlement programs also? The reason I ask is because Obama wants to spend more, much more, on entitlements.
No, the entitlement programs should be well funded.

Ronmey doesn't want change in SS or Medicare either.
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Education and infrastructure are very important, IMO and the defense should be focused at our county, not other goddamn countries, IMO.

I'm favor tax increase as well.
Then you can pay for my tax increase!
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Then you can pay for my tax increase!
No, you need pay fair share of taxes.
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No, the entitlement programs should be well funded.

Ronmey doesn't want change in SS or Medicare either.
Entitlement programs are what is killing this country morally and economically! In some cases it even keeps racism alive and well! Lazy people feeding off of you and I provided through government assistance. Hear me correct here before you spew! I realize that some people really do need assistance and I have no problem with them at all. It's the freeloaders that I can't handle anymore!
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No, you need pay fair share of taxes.
I already do and then some! We are double and triple taxed as taxpaying Americans. Oh, I should make it clear, the ones of us that already are and have been paying our taxes all along!

Sales tax, personal property tax, real estate tax, income tax, etc....!!!!
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Entitlement programs are what is killing this country morally and economically! In some cases it even keeps racism alive and well! Lazy people feeding off of you and I provided through government assistance. Hear me correct here before you spew! I realize that some people really do need assistance and I have no problem with them at all. It's the freeloaders that I can't handle anymore!
I disagree if you know about fiscal works. I'm not saying that entitlement programs should be overfunded but just need be well funded, if so then no change is needed, if overfunded then just reduce the funds to meet well funds.

I disagree with you again about freeloaders and my sister doesn't get ANY of welfare - no Medicaid, no food stamp, NOTHING and she doesn't have job at all because it is extremely hard to find a job now. She's just live with family and she just got little allowance from her family. It is very hard to get welfare programs due to strict criteria and income limit. There are many people that I know hate welfare programs a lot and they want get a job so really badly.

The welfare programs in America sucks and there are millions of people rather to have a job. There is HUGE drawback is expensive private health insurances and I know some people rather to have Medicaid over private health insurance.

Look, I'm not eligible for Medicaid and food stamp anymore. I'm current college student who on semester break due to medical condition. I have deal with costly medical care under private health insurance.

That's FREAKING not freeloader!
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I already do and then some! We are double and triple taxed as taxpaying Americans. Oh, I should make it clear, the ones of us that already are and have been paying our taxes all along!

Sales tax, personal property tax, real estate tax, income tax, etc....!!!!
I don't know about your annual earning and I doubt that you will be affected with tax increases since you are not millionaire. You will going sticking with Bush tax cut until expiration, unless lawmakers willing to expand it.

I paid income tax as well because scholarship and grants are taxable on certain items.

Some states don't have their income tax (Texas, Florida) and few states don't have sale tax (Oregon, Delaware).

My worst tax ever is sale tax but really necessary for civil services.
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Incorrect, Obama wants combined of tax increase and spending cut (especially defense) but house of rep said no. Both of sides disagree left as impasses.

If you think it is violation of US constitution so feel free to challenge in the court. I don't see everything like that.
What about the first 2 years???
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Ronmey doesn't want change in SS or Medicare either.
That's not what the link you posted in the other thread said...
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I disagree if you know about fiscal works. I'm not saying that entitlement programs should be overfunded but just need be well funded, if so then no change is needed, if overfunded then just reduce the funds to meet well funds.

I disagree with you again about freeloaders and my sister doesn't get ANY of welfare - no Medicaid, no food stamp, NOTHING and she doesn't have job at all because it is extremely hard to find a job now. She's just live with family and she just got little allowance from her family. It is very hard to get welfare programs due to strict criteria and income limit. There are many people that I know hate welfare programs a lot and they want get a job so really badly.

The welfare programs in America sucks and there are millions of people rather to have a job. There is HUGE drawback is expensive private health insurances and I know some people rather to have Medicaid over private health insurance.

Look, I'm not eligible for Medicaid and food stamp anymore. I'm current college student who on semester break due to medical condition. I have deal with costly medical care under private health insurance.

That's FREAKING not freeloader!
I'm glad you are admitting there are freeloaders out there because there are many.
I'll admit that a well funded and well enforced entitlement program is beneficial. However, as you have mention, that is not happening today. Also this OP is about the budget and sticking to one. A budget is constitutionally required and the American people should not only demand that Congress has one but sticks to it.
To have a strict entitlement program and a much more strict budget wipes out the need for any tax money being wasted and reduces the tax load of all Americans.
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That's not what the link you posted in the other thread said...
You must missed or not read article that I posted.

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Because Romney promises to protect current Social Security and Medicare recipients from cuts, he cannot get much savings from those programs by 2016.
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I'm glad you are admitting there are freeloaders out there because there are many.
I'll admit that a well funded and well enforced entitlement program is beneficial. However, as you have mention, that is not happening today. Also this OP is about the budget and sticking to one. A budget is constitutionally required and the American people should not only demand that Congress has one but sticks to it.
To have a strict entitlement program and a much more strict budget wipes out the need for any tax money being wasted and reduces the tax load of all Americans.
Why are you attempt to reword my post into right wing?

Let me clear up for you.

There are not many freeloaders that use welfare programs and I don't see them as gimme, gimme, gimme.

I believe that Medicare should be well funded, BASED on progressive, NOT based on right wing nor is republican.

I'm not figgin republican.
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What about the first 2 years???
It is already past and we need worry about NOW.
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Why are you attempt to reword my post into right wing?

Let me clear up for you.

There are not many freeloaders that use welfare programs and I don't see them as gimme, gimme, gimme.

I believe that Medicare should be well funded, BASED on progressive, NOT based on right wing nor is republican.

I'm not figgin republican.
Sorry. Perhaps I should have ask a question instead of making a comment. So my question for you: Are there freeloaders out there in America?

BTW: I never mention you were/are not a republican.
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Sorry. Perhaps I should have ask a question instead of making a comment. So my question for you: Are there freeloaders out there in America?

BTW: I never mention you were/are not a republican.
Yup, they are existing, however it isn't limited to America only but most other countries are.
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Yup, they are existing, however it isn't limited to America only but most other countries are.
But...But...But...America entitlement programs are limited to America ONLY!!
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I disagree if you know about fiscal works. I'm not saying that entitlement programs should be overfunded but just need be well funded, if so then no change is needed, if overfunded then just reduce the funds to meet well funds.

I disagree with you again about freeloaders and my sister doesn't get ANY of welfare - no Medicaid, no food stamp, NOTHING and she doesn't have job at all because it is extremely hard to find a job now. She's just live with family and she just got little allowance from her family. It is very hard to get welfare programs due to strict criteria and income limit. There are many people that I know hate welfare programs a lot and they want get a job so really badly.

The welfare programs in America sucks and there are millions of people rather to have a job. There is HUGE drawback is expensive private health insurances and I know some people rather to have Medicaid over private health insurance.

Look, I'm not eligible for Medicaid and food stamp anymore. I'm current college student who on semester break due to medical condition. I have deal with costly medical care under private health insurance.

That's FREAKING not freeloader!
Hello! Your sister and others still don't have jobs? That is called recession!
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Yup, they are existing, however it isn't limited to America only but most other countries are.
We are strictly talking about America here! Who cares about other countries social programs that have failed!
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We are strictly talking about America here! Who cares about other countries social programs that have failed!
Even if there is two of us trying to get the point across, we seem to be posting to a wall.
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Hello! Your sister and others still don't have jobs? That is called recession!
No, it is not recession anymore.

Read my post - THAT'S NOT ****ING BULLSHIT!
President Obama's Lavish Vacations Are Under Scrutiny Again

I follow that based on NBER and the GDP isn't NEGATIVE in TWO QUARTERS. Our GDP is positive right now.

If you don't believe me so feel free to ask Jiro or Reba. Otherwise, your claim will be unofficial recession.

FYI, my sister abandoned the jobs at twice without proper resignation due to dissatisfied with jobs so it will probably adversely effect on her employment history rather than just blame on slow economy. There are other reasons that Americans can't find a jobs than just slow economy alone.

Many Americans had been suffered from 1990-1991 recession and didn't got better until 1994-1995.
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We are strictly talking about America here! Who cares about other countries social programs that have failed!
The freeloaders are classic issue for welfare programs and there are nothing could you prevent them.

You are upset that you don't like my views -oh well.

I don't believe to punish on poor people because issue with freeloaders.
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The freeloaders are classic issue for welfare programs and there are nothing could you prevent them.

You are upset that you don't like my views -oh well.

I don't believe to punish on poor people because issue with freeloaders.
Oh yes there is!!! There is something called local charities and agencies.

From Washington nobody is minding the store.
But on the local level there is always someone watching over those getting benefits and making sure the resources are being used properly.

Washington wants to be the big bully and control everything and a person who thinks Washington can do the best job or even a better job than locals is a silly fool.
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Oh yes there is!!! There is something called local charities and agencies.

From Washington nobody is minding the store.
But on the local level there is always someone watching over those getting benefits and making sure the resources are being used properly.

Washington wants to be the big bully and control everything and a person who thinks Washington can do the best job or even a better job than locals is a silly fool.
In bold - I disagree and federal has to mandate the policies for them to accept any funds from federal.
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From my original post:
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He generally endorses a plan by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., to gradually transform Medicare from a program that directly pays hospital and doctor bills into vouchers for subsidizing future beneficiaries in buying health insurance.
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