Jiro

I'm guessing there's no source for that?

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Foxrac

That's incorrect about Supreme Court ruling on ER visits - there are no court ruling yet.

It is required under Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, it is part of COBRA that passed in 1986.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergen...tive_Labor_Act

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Foxrac

Hello rolling7, I like to see source that you provided.

If not then we consider your post as bogus.

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rolling7

Any AD member see a request for a source here??? Did not think so.
Jiro, you ask a direct questions to me, so I gave you my direct answers.....
....no need for a source.

rolling7

see number #34

Jiro

see Post #31.

you made a claim that illegals are costing us a great deal of money and that it's an epidemic problem in America when it comes to medical care because hospitals are required to render medical assistance to whoever comes into ER.

just for clarification purpose - is that an opinion or a fact?

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rolling7

Go to #28 and stop with the lying. I made no such claims. Stop with the lying. My post was a IMO of Obama's claim that illegals would NOT receive funds under OC. Obama is doing what politicians do...lie.

Jiro

lol what? but you did....

for answering my question. now that your post above is an opinion, not a fact... you are not obliged to provide a source for it but it can help reinforce it though.

The reason why I find your post questionable about illegals being the cause of epidemic problem is because the math does not add up. I believe the biggest financial hole is American people defrauding the government, not illegals. I don't see how is it possible that illegals are costing us billions of dollars since illegals receive only very rudimentary medical attention. The math simply does not add up.

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rolling7

So you are saying my IMO does not carry water to your IMO.....this is not a question, just the way I see your post as saying so.

Jiro

What I'm saying is that I disagree. The only way that your and my post would carry weight is if it's backed with facts. I did not provide a fact and neither did you so our opinions hold no weight and it should be taken with a grain of salt

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Foxrac

You should present the sources before he could trust your words, otherwise, your posts are see as opinion or bogus.

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rolling7

You provided the facts for both of us with your post #27 about Sec. 246
It proves Obama is a liar because you and I are right now discussing the amount of money illegals get for ER visits.

rolling7

See #42

Jiro

oh no no. "Obamacare" isn't there yet since it will take effect in a few years but the proof is right there that it does not pay for illegals' medical expenses.

but right now... for the past several years... all these insane medical expenses that are costing us taxpayers... you're saying that illegals are the biggest cause of it. I disagree and I believe it's the Americans defrauding us.

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Foxrac

Oh yup, I'm trustworthy agree with your post.

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rolling7

Once again you are wrong....go back and find any post of mine that says I said "illegals are the biggest cause of it" or any wording close to that.
Remember we are speaking of this thread.

Jiro

see Post #38.

I asked you if you believe medical expenses incurred by illegals (paid by taxpayers) is an epidemic issue that causes us a great deal of money and you said yes. It's essentially same as "illegals are the biggest cause of cost".

What did you think what I meant?

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Not really.

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Yeah, medical care costs too much here in America... which in turn makes insurance cost too much.

You can get a CT scan here in America for between $2,000 and $5,000... while in some other countries, it's between $250 and $750.

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Jiro

so "epidemic problem".... "epidemic issue".... "epidemic cause".... means what for you?

a minor problem?

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Foxrac

It is see as major problem for republicans and conservative thinkers.

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rolling7

That Obama is ignoring the laws of America. That is the "epidemic issue" in my mind. You well know that Obama as POTUS must enforce ask the laws of the land.

On the second issue (you did ask two separate questions) I answered that by Obama ignoring the court then yes it was going to cost us a lot of money. Perhaps you did not read the first part of my post.

Waterboy

Illegals get money for hospital visits? I thought the hospitals got the money. And only state run hospitals have to treat anyone that shows up in an ER. Private hospitals don't have to. They can just send them on to another hospital if someone is uninsured unless they are risk of death. Then they just make them stable and send them on to a state hospital.

And since ACA has not become effective yet, no money from ACA is going to provide insurance for illegal aliens. So where is the lie? Lots of legal citizens with no insurance get care at ET, too. Many more legals than illegals. Lots of kids and people who work and pay taxes. It is the only choice they have until insurance is affordable for everyone.

Waterboy

What laws is Obama ignoring?

GISJason

Yet its ok for them to violate our constitution rights for auto insurance and force us to have it?
Medical insurance is fraud. Thats why need the goverment to get in on it. Heck there's.already insurance coverage for these on ssi,ssdi etc.... It works good don't see anyone on these programs complaining cause it works and is good enuf if they don't do something about it the costs will be even greater. Its mostly about money and power. Thats why these countless lame duck congress sessions have got nothing accomplished at all. They're fighting BO every step of the way and spinning lies all across the board while they could actually be working towards a compromise or parstian nationwide healthcare plan. But naa nothing been done but holding out on it in high hopes that their party wins the next election so they can go on and let the big insurance cos run the show and rim the people for a few more decades... Just pure outright greed on that party's side.

rolling7

GISJason, just to make it clear and to make sure you know, there is NO FEDERAL car insurance law. That would also be UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Reba

The difference is, the mandatory part of auto insurance is the liability portion. That is to protect the other people on the road, not the driver. Drivers aren't required to have coverage for themselves. It's certainly a wise thing to have full coverage but it's not required. The only time full coverage is required is by the lien holder of a vehicle that has money owed. Even then, that's not the Feds requiring it.

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Alright thanks for clearing that up for me!!! ;-)

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Obama is the Anti-Christ! the World will end on 12/21/2012!!! The end is nigh! Obama throws like a girl and rides sissy bicycles! Obama is a muslim from kenya with a fake birth certificate! we can't have that in the white house vote him out!!!

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