The Subtitles Vs. Captions Debate/Poll

Dr. Strangelove · 11-26-2006, 09:34 PM

I vote Subtitles, although there are some movies I prefer viewing with captions.
Edit/Add/Note: SDH means Subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and is a lot like closed captioning in how it describes sounds.

Foxrac · 11-26-2006, 10:05 PM

I prefer to watch on DVD with subtitles.

Final Destination 2 don't have subtitles but there's CC.

Most MTV video (DVD) don't including subtitles and CC, that pissed me off.

The*Empress · 11-26-2006, 11:05 PM

Captioning block me from seeing Actors and Action...

Subtitles are much better.

But it depends on the Movie.

***VamPyroX*** · 11-27-2006, 04:08 AM

I usually prefer to watch DVDs with subtitles. If it's not subtitled, then I'll watch it closed captioned.

sequoias · 11-27-2006, 05:12 AM

Neither, doesn't matter to me. If one doesn't have it I'd use either that have it.

GalaxyAngel · 11-27-2006, 12:03 PM

CC doesn't show fully sounds background... music..

Subtitles have full shown wording to wording sound background.. and others.. I think it's best subtitles.

pubwood · 11-27-2006, 11:26 PM

I purchased the PS3 at the Target store today. Hard to believe that the PS3 units was in the stock today when I came in the store. PS3 were sold out in few minutes before I grabbed the last one.

Anyway, I had a chance to test the caption on the stupid Talledega Nights movie, that the blu-ray disc comes with the PS3 box.

The blu-ray disc offers two caption options - Subtitle and SDH(Subtitle for Deaf and Hard of Hearing). Subtitle format is really similar to the regular DVD's subtitle, it always shows the captions in the center, hard to tell which person talks. SDH looks like CC - white letters with the black background, but the letters look more sharper and smaller than the regular DVD subtitle. I have not watched the whole movie, I believe the SDH is more impressive than CC.

If you want movie with SDH caption, you have to go in the menu to turn it on every time you play the movie. SDH should be default, so SDH will turn on automatically when you insert the movie disc to play. Hope the Sony will add this feature.

Tried the regular DVD on PS3, the picture looks good even though I use the composite cable, will hookup the HDMI cable with the Sony LCD 1080i RP this week.

SDH is impressive!

Southern · 12-08-2006, 11:01 AM

From a hearing perspective I would say SDH. CC is often, OFTEN wrong. I read it and think that is NOT what was said and I will tell my Deaf friends what was really said. Sometimes if it is close I will leave it but if really off then I will tell them. One time I was watching Pulp Fiction with my Deaf friends and the actors continued speaking for nearly 2 minutes and there was no caption. I thought the actors must be saying something that is not in the script. But with all the other errors that was in that movie with the CC it should not have been an issue since it was obvious they didn’t go by the script. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been so many misspelled words. Subtitles, eh I’d have to agree with other posters they don’t tell you who is talking. If I couldn’t hear the voices I would be totally lost. The don’t tell you when ominous music is playing or any other sounds for that matter. SDH seems to be the best. It seems to be more accurate the times I have seen it, doesn’t block the action and is more descriptive than subtitles. CC pisses me off a lot. I know it is needed but good lord the errors!

Endymion · 12-08-2006, 11:34 AM

Don't subtitles intentionally omit things? If someone calls, "Pedro! Pedro!" the subtitles won't show because Pedro is a name all people watching the movie understand. Right?

Liebling:-))) · 12-08-2006, 01:49 PM

We don´t have Captions here in Europe but Subtitles.

Steel X · 12-08-2006, 08:37 PM

Either is fine to me as long as I understand the movies.

DeafMonkey · 12-08-2006, 08:43 PM

I voted Subtitles for DVD

I like to use this Subtitles to watch on the movie.

.. if doesnt have Subtitles on dvd then I use watch with the close captions

web730 · 12-11-2006, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeafMonkey

I voted Subtitles for DVD

I like to use this Subtitles to watch on the movie.

.. if doesnt have Subtitles on dvd then I use watch with the close captions

True, I would do same. I do notice subtitles often easier to read while watch than the c.c. would.

LuciaDisturbed · 12-12-2006, 10:26 PM

I prefer closed captions, much easier to read the white letters on black background. Subtitles are often hard for me to read because of the background being the movie itself.

sara1981 · 12-14-2006, 04:45 PM

my vote is Neither, it does not matter to me

im usually as closed caption and Subtitles if CC not on dvd to watch the movies and will add english says deaf for CC that simples!

M3lissa · 12-19-2006, 12:22 PM

I prefer captions over subtitle since it show everything. Good thing my tv have new cc with transparent without black block.

CCfan · 01-07-2007, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3lissa

I prefer captions over subtitle since it show everything. Good thing my tv have new cc with transparent without black block.

Where you get a transparents without black block. I want this one. I think
it was for advanced captioning on Digital Television? I want this one!

I love DTV is even better than analog. I can't wait to see the analog
broadcast will cease, because digital broadcasting is even better, however, I heard about it is a huge issue is... there are cons:
You can't copy from something-- that which is a broadcast
flag such as: restriction on recording just like something as from
Macrovision; inability to skip commericals. I hate commericals. I wish I can
skip it.

lumbingmi · 01-10-2007, 10:58 AM

Vote for neither. Doesn't matter to me as long there is one for EVERY movie, which is not possible.

KimmiKat · 01-10-2007, 05:07 PM

Way some of those actors look, might be better watching the CC over them!

Like someone else in the thread mentioned, some of the new digital sets have transparent or even adjustable captioning, so if you want hot pink on a yellow block, you can set it that way!

Quote:

Originally Posted by The*Empress

Captioning block me from seeing Actors and Action...

Subtitles are much better.

But it depends on the Movie.

kurtcs · 01-13-2007, 01:52 AM

Most def is CC. It's because of showing in background noise such as knock door, phone ring, yell in background, etc etc..

Subtitles are kinda annoying.. No background.. Nada!

Silentwolfdog · 02-12-2007, 12:31 PM

I prefer CC, however it depends on which company make it.

SDH have a lot of errors too, even spelling errors.

SDH take up too much space on the screen. CC is smaller which is what I want.

I think they should offer both, SDH for deaf also people who are deaf and blind (bigger letter like those on DVD's) and CC for people who doesn't want it cover the screen, but on the black part of widescreen (black bar).

Dr. Strangelove · 02-12-2007, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silentwolfdog

I prefer CC, however it depends on which company make it.

SDH have a lot of errors too, even spelling errors.

SDH take up too much space on the screen. CC is smaller which is what I want.

I think they should offer both, SDH for deaf also people who are deaf and blind (bigger letter like those on DVD's) and CC for people who doesn't want it cover the screen, but on the black part of widescreen (black bar).

I agree, they should not be able to choose if SDH or CC is on a DVD. It should be automatic so that the viewer has a choice, not the company. I suspect some companies are opting to do SDH in-house because it is cheaper than paying a CC company. HD DVD does not have captioning, but Subtitles and SDH. Is this the future of movies on disc, no CC's anymore, but subtitles?

Banjo · 02-12-2007, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

HD DVD does not have captioning, but Subtitles and SDH. Is this the future of movies on disc, no CC's anymore, but subtitles?

That's right. A lot of HDTVs with HDMI/DVI inputs lack CC. That's why they're using SDH instead.

Banjo · 02-12-2007, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silentwolfdog

I think they should offer both, SDH for deaf also people who are deaf and blind (bigger letter like those on DVD's) and CC for people who doesn't want it cover the screen, but on the black part of widescreen (black bar).

I disagree. If they offer SDH on DVD, there's no need for the CC. Why make them pay more? They contain the same information, it's just a waste of money to put both CC and SDH onto the DVD.

Dr. Strangelove · 02-12-2007, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

That's right. A lot of HDTVs with HDMI/DVI inputs lack CC. That's why they're using SDH instead.

Does this also explain why HDTV programming has a different text format for the CCs than old CC's?

Silentwolfdog · 02-12-2007, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

I disagree. If they offer SDH on DVD, there's no need for the CC. Why make them pay more? They contain the same information, it's just a waste of money to put both CC and SDH onto the DVD.

Well, what about what I like? I hated SDH, period. It ruins the picture for me, which is reason why I pick CC because it is usually on the black part of the screen, where the picture does not exist.

And CC have less chance of getting letters blurry. My dvd player does not do subtitles very well so it ending up being little blurry and so it's annoy. It sucks that I have to turn on SDH all the time when I already have CC on because of TV show.

They shouldn't force us to stick with one option, since hearing people can pick different types of sound they want to use. Why can't I do that too?

Also SDH is always big, and I do not need that. Either they fix SDH or I will want to be allowed to pick one that suit me the best.

DeAfLuCkYiRiSh · 02-13-2007, 11:17 PM

You can design on your own closed captioned on HDTV. I know some of you does not have HDTV. But soon you will own hdtv in the future. Anyway, for me. It does not matter. At least that I can read both as subtitles or CC.

It will be nice to have subtitle or CC on the black bar while watching on widescreen. So it wont be any on the picture.

Mine does have cc on black bar depends on size of your television. If your tv is small and it is more likely cc will be on the picture. If you have big screen tv like 40 above. It can able have cc or subtitles on the black bar.

View Poll Results: Do you prefer Subtitles or Captions when viewing a DVD?
Subtitles/SDH	11	30.56%
Closed Captioning	13	36.11%
Neither, it does not matter to me	12	33.33%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

11-26-2006, 09:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dr. Strangelove Loving the BOMB Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: XBL Posts: 1,284	The Subtitles Vs. Captions Debate/Poll I vote Subtitles, although there are some movies I prefer viewing with captions. Edit/Add/Note: SDH means Subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and is a lot like closed captioning in how it describes sounds. __________________ DeafGamersOnline.com XBL GT: XDG Deaf Smith

11-26-2006, 10:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Foxrac o_O Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 14,350	I prefer to watch on DVD with subtitles. Final Destination 2 don't have subtitles but there's CC. Most MTV video (DVD) don't including subtitles and CC, that pissed me off. __________________ God bless America

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The*Empress Merry Christmas!!!! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: on Plantation. Posts: 6,935	Captioning block me from seeing Actors and Action... Subtitles are much better. But it depends on the Movie. __________________

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11-27-2006, 12:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
GalaxyAngel That's me! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Alberta,Canada Posts: 13,542	CC doesn't show fully sounds background... music.. Subtitles have full shown wording to wording sound background.. and others.. I think it's best subtitles. __________________ Parent's proud our children.

11-27-2006, 11:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
pubwood Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4	I purchased the PS3 at the Target store today. Hard to believe that the PS3 units was in the stock today when I came in the store. PS3 were sold out in few minutes before I grabbed the last one. Anyway, I had a chance to test the caption on the stupid Talledega Nights movie, that the blu-ray disc comes with the PS3 box. The blu-ray disc offers two caption options - Subtitle and SDH(Subtitle for Deaf and Hard of Hearing). Subtitle format is really similar to the regular DVD's subtitle, it always shows the captions in the center, hard to tell which person talks. SDH looks like CC - white letters with the black background, but the letters look more sharper and smaller than the regular DVD subtitle. I have not watched the whole movie, I believe the SDH is more impressive than CC. If you want movie with SDH caption, you have to go in the menu to turn it on every time you play the movie. SDH should be default, so SDH will turn on automatically when you insert the movie disc to play. Hope the Sony will add this feature. Tried the regular DVD on PS3, the picture looks good even though I use the composite cable, will hookup the HDMI cable with the Sony LCD 1080i RP this week. SDH is impressive!

12-08-2006, 11:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
Southern Southern Boi Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 646	From a hearing perspective I would say SDH. CC is often, OFTEN wrong. I read it and think that is NOT what was said and I will tell my Deaf friends what was really said. Sometimes if it is close I will leave it but if really off then I will tell them. One time I was watching Pulp Fiction with my Deaf friends and the actors continued speaking for nearly 2 minutes and there was no caption. I thought the actors must be saying something that is not in the script. But with all the other errors that was in that movie with the CC it should not have been an issue since it was obvious they didn’t go by the script. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been so many misspelled words. Subtitles, eh I’d have to agree with other posters they don’t tell you who is talking. If I couldn’t hear the voices I would be totally lost. The don’t tell you when ominous music is playing or any other sounds for that matter. SDH seems to be the best. It seems to be more accurate the times I have seen it, doesn’t block the action and is more descriptive than subtitles. CC pisses me off a lot. I know it is needed but good lord the errors!

12-08-2006, 11:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
Endymion All but haute couture Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Somewhere within the geographical proximity of sanity. Posts: 1,382	Don't subtitles intentionally omit things? If someone calls, "Pedro! Pedro!" the subtitles won't show because Pedro is a name all people watching the movie understand. Right?

12-08-2006, 01:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 27,054	We don´t have Captions here in Europe but Subtitles. __________________

12-08-2006, 08:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Steel X Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 10,989	Either is fine to me as long as I understand the movies. __________________

12-08-2006, 08:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
DeafMonkey SUN/MOON Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,567	I voted Subtitles for DVD I like to use this Subtitles to watch on the movie. .. if doesnt have Subtitles on dvd then I use watch with the close captions

12-12-2006, 10:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
LuciaDisturbed Amateur Psychiatrist Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 5,163	I prefer closed captions, much easier to read the white letters on black background. Subtitles are often hard for me to read because of the background being the movie itself. __________________ We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile. We will add your distinctiveness to our Collective. Implanted left ear 10/11/06, activated 10/16/06 - Nucleus Freedom DeviantArt

12-14-2006, 04:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
sara1981 Batista's fans Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Little Rock,Ar Posts: 3,291	my vote is Neither, it does not matter to me im usually as closed caption and Subtitles if CC not on dvd to watch the movies and will add english says deaf for CC that simples! __________________

12-19-2006, 12:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
M3lissa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 27	I prefer captions over subtitle since it show everything. Good thing my tv have new cc with transparent without black block.

01-10-2007, 10:58 AM	#18 (permalink)
lumbingmi Invigorated Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,263	Vote for neither. Doesn't matter to me as long there is one for EVERY movie, which is not possible. __________________ Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again. Meribor: I love you, father.

01-13-2007, 01:52 AM	#20 (permalink)
kurtcs 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: United States Posts: 326	Most def is CC. It's because of showing in background noise such as knock door, phone ring, yell in background, etc etc.. Subtitles are kinda annoying.. No background.. Nada! __________________

02-12-2007, 12:31 PM	#21 (permalink)
Silentwolfdog a toku fangirl Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 705	I prefer CC, however it depends on which company make it. SDH have a lot of errors too, even spelling errors. SDH take up too much space on the screen. CC is smaller which is what I want. I think they should offer both, SDH for deaf also people who are deaf and blind (bigger letter like those on DVD's) and CC for people who doesn't want it cover the screen, but on the black part of widescreen (black bar).

02-13-2007, 11:17 PM	#27 (permalink)
DeAfLuCkYiRiSh DeAfLuCkYiRiSh Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 829	You can design on your own closed captioned on HDTV. I know some of you does not have HDTV. But soon you will own hdtv in the future. Anyway, for me. It does not matter. At least that I can read both as subtitles or CC. It will be nice to have subtitle or CC on the black bar while watching on widescreen. So it wont be any on the picture. Mine does have cc on black bar depends on size of your television. If your tv is small and it is more likely cc will be on the picture. If you have big screen tv like 40 above. It can able have cc or subtitles on the black bar. __________________

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