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$8 billion could help revive travel by train - USATODAY.com

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JClarke

Nothing beats the Japanese 'Bullet' train at all.

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Chevy57

You had missed to ride it when your sister and you left for home. right?

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JClarke

No, I rode one to Hakon Mountains before I left.

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Secretblend

I see there is one in Texas going all way to Tulsa! If they go with that plan, that would be perfect for me. I can even see them connecting that to St. Louis. I hope that does happen!

PowerON

Teleport is fastest than any frickin current transportation available on planet.

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sequoias

Or the France's TGV rolling stock.

sequoias

I think it could be good for our economy to provide high speed trains while providing cleaner air because planes pollute more per mile basis. It is basically faster to board on a train from point A to B than boarding on a plane with all the security headaches, delays due to weather, etc. High speed trains can run thru snow, rain, etc.

The Amtrak Aleca isn't really that fast because of the old infrastructure that needs to be redone to make it worth the trip.

We won't be getting high speed rail here in the Northwest, but it will be almost high speed due the minimum speed of 125 mph or higher is classified as high speed. We will be only get maximum speed of 110 mph.

Japan has plenty of Shinkansen rolling stock which they use for their high speed rail infrastructure...the fastest route has a speed of nearly 220 mph, but most of the routes have maximum speed of 170-190 mph and the slowest route between Shinkansen and Tokyo is up to 150 mph due to the mountainous terrian.

webexplorer

How interesting! Why not we could use a transport in a few seconds from one place to other place? We have two services nowadays like these pictures:




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JClarke

I wish there was an option to transport in any country with out having to pay for flights, fees and whatnot.

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sequoias

It seems no one is being serious about discussing with high speed rail infrastructure which I want to talk about....instead you guys just fool around making impossible imaginations that will never exist. I like to talk about things seriously sometimes.

JClarke

Blame Webexplorer.

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sequoias

Nah...this topic has been discussed many times and it will never become reality. We can only imagine but we will never get it. I don't blame Webexplorer.

webexplorer

Thank you. I didn't realize that you are serious about it.

I like to ride on the train. The problem with this service which isn't fast transportation because there were so many car accidents on the train tracks.

Ten years ago, my friend's husband was in a serious train accident. He drove his car to the dumpsite on Saturday morning. He drove his car slowly to make sure that there was no train on the track. There was a light stop sign, but it does not have the arms to block the cars from across the track. He saw the train coming pretty far away so he drove across it quickly. Suddenly, the train smashed his car, and his car was in a total damage. He was bought to the hospital by an ambulance. The train company ordered its employees real fast to cut down the tall grasses for a better visual view before any new reporters showed up on the scene so that the company cannot be sued. It took six years for him to win his case which received 50,000 dollars. He expected to get a few million dollars. The company had a dirty business to hide it. His health got worst, and he now lives in the nursing home. He lay on the bed for rest of his life. He is 58 years old.

Now, do you think that it would be a good idea to have the fastest trains in our country? How can we prevent a train accident with this new and powerful trains?

sequoias

Like I said above....it has to be wider radius curves, grade seperated completely from traffic to reduce accidents. Japan's Shinkansen high speed trains have NEVER had a train accident since the first debut back in 1964. In fact, high speed trains are very safe mode of transportation compared to driving in ur own car. It's probably safer than flying.

If you wondered how the train engineers know when to accelerate or when to stop....they have the on board signaling which they call it ATC or in cab signaling. They have the instructions on the dashboard telling you to speed up to the target speed or slow down to the target speed, brake when the traffic control instructor tells you when there's other train coming up (slow freight or whatever). I think if you go faster than around 90 mph on the train, in cab signaling is required. Below that speed, it's not required to have that. You basically are going too fast to miss the track signs, etc.

Secretblend

If they are gonna build a high speed train across America. It would have to be elevated so that it won't cross anything else, like a road for example. Other reason why it would have to be elevated is cause of weather. If it snows, no problem cause the train would run above the snow. Also by being elevated they can keep the track flat. Just build it with different heights as land is so that the track will be flat as much as possible.

As for those that might say "wouldn't there be snow on the track itself?," then the track can turn on heat to melt the snow as needed.

sequoias

secretblend, high speed rail isn't feasible for more than around 500 to 700 miles because of cost and air travel is economically faster.

it can be built under streets too. also, its not feasible either for heating on the tracks to keep snow out of the way. check out youtube and find videos of hsr in snow. it didn't stop them with a few inches of snow on the ground. it is cheaper to build on surface than elevated which costs more to build per mile basis.

webexplorer

I think I am pretty sure that he drove to across the track a little quick because he saw the train coming, and it is pretty far away. I would say 7,000 feet away. I think that he might have thought that the train appeared to be slow incoming. I assume that he was wrong about the train's speed. I would never do that anytime when I see a train coming no matter how slow the train is. I don't give a damn if there is a car behind me blowing the horn waiting for me to get away.

webexplorer

Do all train run a diesel? How many gallons does a train run per mile?

Jiro

no. some hybrid. some electric. some diesel. some coal ( don't you love those huge black suffocating plume emitting from its smoke pipe?). I have heard that they're developing a much-improved version of steam engine.

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Secretblend

In that case, we'll never have high speed across USA. Best way would be to combine them, some high speed and some normal speed. One thing for sure, it'll have to be cheap enough for people to spend instead of flying.

sequoias

most trains in the us run on diesel but many routes in east us run on electricity for high speed rail and normal rail also don't forget light rail in local cities rest of the us.

with a 5 car passenger with a locomotive it consume around 1.5 gallon per mile, more consume with freight or more cars for passengers.

Jiro

1.5 mpg? ouch

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sequoias

not 1.5 mpg...its 1.5 gallons per mile not miles per gallon. that's even worse!

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sequoias

yep a typical diesel locomotive can hold around 2000 gallons of fuel so takes around less than 10 minutes to fill one of these big boys.

sequoias

Of course...it is NOT cheap to build high speed dedicated line for 3,000 miles...so it's not doable, best in metro area to metro area for up to 500 to 700 miles or so. It would cost so much and it will take forever to pay it off and become profitable.

sequoias

Steam trains of the future....what are we? IN back to the Future part III.

diehardbiker

In America, the land is so huge, meaning requires bigger infrastructure which could easily exceeding the cost of Billions of dollars.

Speaking of ROI = Return On Investment, if we go ahead in America, it probably will take more than hundreds of years to get that investment back, and the infrastructure don't last forever.

That is why it is almost impossible to set up good infrastructure on high speed railroads up here than at other countries. On other hand, would you be willing to throw huge sum of money away and not see it come back again? I am sure the answer would be NOBODY.

I personally *DO* support railroads, but when it comes to ROI, I see it completely differently.

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