Liebling:-)))

Huh? Please open your mind and use common sense. I am not here to lecture you ALL about America´s culture but talk about just ONE point is "FRIENDLY TALK WITH STRANGER" is America´s culture, I DISAGREE... Just one little word... Don´t make biggie over my disagree on just one point "friendly talk with strangers" as a country´s culture, not more than that...

__________________

Deafness

__________________
This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on AllDeaf.com

Jiro

and I thought you're open-minded? If you were that open-minded, then you wouldn't disagree with us very much and should be humble enough to understand.

Liebling:-)))

Of course there´re library in the school, my both sons used. They also allow to search the internet to compare.... as well...

To me, wikipedia is not biased information because they add plenty of sources in the list... we can search and read... I have look at wikipedia and use my judgement... I do not see anything negative about wikipeida... To me, they spread good information... and add sources. It´s helpful. It doesn´t mean that wikipedia is 100% accurate but not negative or biased as what you claim but it´s helpful.

FYI: You don´t need to feel sorry for my both sons... they goes well and their school report is pretty good... My 15 years old son attend his first college last Sept.

__________________

PuyoPiyo

When I was in high school, I passed the Senior Project by using Wikipedia. The Wikipedia was very helpfully because it give me more sources to catch up with the requirements.

Liebling:-)))

Yes, I am pretty open mind and learn alot about America´s culture and other countries´s culture as well... which is very different as here in Germany... I really have no problem with that... Read my respond post to Sunshinelady what I experienced in USA over flag, etc. Is it negative when I find interesting what I learn about USA when I was in USA? We exhange our POV over our countries... we can share the agree to disagree... what´s wrong with that... ? Are you open mind to exchange the POV and share the agree to disagree?

If you are open mind then respect my POV and allow to disagree with me, not take my post personally and label America as a friendly culture in the world and label other countries negative way...

__________________

sequoias

Visiting Russia isn't my priority on my future travel list. Altho, my cousin married a gal who was from Russia. They currently live in NYC right now.

Liebling:-)))

for interesting exchange over cultures, we experienced...

Yes, very true... I see the same thing as you over wikipedia...

__________________

Jiro

then you're in for shock once you get into college. It's an automatic failure if you use wikipedia as source and that's the fact, not opinion. The professor will look at your cites first and first thing he does when seeing wikipedia in citation, he will either use your paper as a backup for toilet paper or for his coffee cup.

Jiro

I strongly forbid using wikipedia as part of research for ANY grade. It is NOT a good way to build a foundation for kids learning about how to research anything. Why not use encyclopedia source first instead of wikipedia? they're available online as well. Why waste your time comparing and confirming wikipedia information with other source? Why not use REAL SOURCE of information first? it's called encyclopedia.

for ie - Britannica

Jiro

huh? WTF? It is UTTERLY HOPELESS to talk to you. Where did I say we are the most friendly country in the world? I SAID IT IS OUR CULTURE TO SMILE AND WAVE AT STRANGERS.... just as much as it's a culture in Russia to hug and kiss on both cheeks.


PLEASE educate us and enlighten us what is American culture?

Liebling:-)))

Oh yes, that´s exact link what my boys look at similar "Britannica" (German websites) here... Yes they look both wikipedia and encyclopedia...

Yes I would agree with you that encyclophedia is good one like what the link, you provide "Britannica"... for that English link. I will look both English and German to compare...

.

__________________

Liebling:-)))

*sigh* I am not saying that you said that but you make it look like that America is friendly culture in the world because you call "friendly talk with strangers" as an America´s culture, that´s all.

Now you said "smile and wave to strangers", not talk with strangers like what Reba said... Yes we smile each other when we don´t have to talk each other by pass walk... I assume that many countries did the same thing when we look each other then smile...by walk pass. It´s natural thing, when the people want to smile without talk with you as a stranger, not culture itself...

But Reba said "TALK with strangers", not just "smile and wave each other" by walk pass like what you said here.


Anyway, about Russians and kiss on both cheek. It´s not just Russian but Germany and some European countries as well.





Why do I repeat when I already explain what America´s culture is about and also 2 links as well? Do you read my response post to Sunshinelady and Reba over Americas culture (except "talk with strangers").



P.S. I do not wish our debate goes ugly over our different POV over that "talk with strangers" as a country´s culture.

Can we move on?

__________________

Jiro

Please do not assume and ask us for clarification . Reba and I have CLEARLY explained to you that it is American culture to smile and wave as part of greeting. You repeatedly said "I disagreed... no American culture is the NATIVE AMERICAN." We have NEVER said we are the most friendly country in the world. We REPEATEDLY said it is AMERICAN culture to smile and wave... and yes we do like to talk to strangers about anything interesting we see. But in order to talk to people - we have to smile and wave because it shows we are friendly. Please get it right. It saves us a lot of headache. Maybe because you're deaf, you don't fully experienced the American greeting and conversation and also because of that - maybe you proceed with caution.

I've had encountered a bunch of strangers I ran into anywhere in USA and we simply smiled and waved... it is customary in America to smile and wave before you talk.... just like what I did to Sunshinelade, her husband, and her friend in NYC.

and yes Americans do like to get into a small talk such as - "so... is that a bimmer bike? what kind of engine is that?" etc. or I would ask the local about the local rumor/story. For ie - in Philadelphia - I smiled and waved before I talk to local - "so I hear that this town's got a mighty famous cheesesteak, eh?" they - "yes sireeeee. it's 10 min down there. there are 2 famous joints next to each other called Pat's and Geno's" and we ended the conversation with a smile and wave.

When Americans travel to other countries - they SMILE and WAVE before talking to local to learn about anything. As explained in previous posts - Russian or other countries VIEWED our smiling and waving as SUSPICIOUS.

yes I'm aware of that. I've been to Europe. I don't want to waste my time to type out all the countries.

because you just demonstrated a lack any understanding of American Culture by saying it is NATIVE AMERICAN culture. but how is that possible? It "died" long time ago. America is predominantly white, not Native Americans. Please explain to us in your own words what is American Culture. Are we a bunch of gun-loving, flag-waving, hamburger-eating people?

Jiro

Then do not correct us. We explained our American culture and way of greeting to correct your POV because we are American and we know better than you. But NOOOOOO.... You disagreed with us and tried to correct us and worse of all - you called our way of greeting as "it's not American culture, it's your POV." If you cannot handle the heat, then get out of kitchen and don't open your mouth.

Liebling:-)))

Accord your post 193, I can see that you misinterpreted my posts. I will explain clear tomorrow... I have to go bed now... today is 1.34 am.

[quote]No, I do not correct your posts but explain my POV why I disagree. Is it harm or what?

Don´t twist my post... I do respect American´s culture, tradition, mentatliy, etc. I do not correct your post over America´s culture because I don´t live in America. Repeatly... I DISAGREE that it call "friendly talk with strangers" as a American´s culture but people´s personality itself because every person is different... if you call it as a culture which mean that ALL americans. That´s point why I disagree to and call it as a mentality.


Is it harm to disagree with you... It doesn´t mean that I correct you when I want to disagree with you.

Please re-read my posts carefully instead of twist my word. I have no problem that you explained that it´s American´s way of talk with strangers but I disagree to consider it as a culture but their mentality... because it doesn´t mean that all Americans did like that.

I said this is your POV which mean is I don´t bother to argue with anyone who right or wrong... Just let them what they want to say... You have your POV as the same as I have my POV and my own experience of visit to different countries and know what culture is about, menatliy is about, tradition, custom, etc.

I questioned Reba in my first post and make normal posts until you jumped my post that´s how it starts... No, you are the one who make biggie... and can´t accept the exchange POV.

You do not need to take my posts serious when I disagree something.

__________________

PuyoPiyo

I've been at college before and only use the textbook, nothing else.

Also I think you misunderstand what I said, I never said that I use the wikipedia as source, I was talking about the sources that Wikipedia use, like the references.

Jiro

Just saying that wikipedia should NOT be encouraged or taught EVER especially to kids. It is not the first place for me to look up on something. If my kids used wikipedia, I would threaten to take away the cookies

PuyoPiyo

Ur too hard on your children. My parents never tell me what to do with my homework, only teacher do. My parents tend to not pressure on me with the homework, only me have to do it myself and learn my lesson if I fail or success. So yeah I raised learning so hard to be independence.

Jiro

and I emphasize on education. that's how you become independent - by knowing what to do and how to learn especially recognizing the authenticity of source. look at how many people are so badly misinformed/disinformed.

PuyoPiyo

The education doesn't make them independence, the responbilities learning will teach them to be independence.

I only notice most young who became adult still being dependence are those who have parents who always tell them what to do.

Sorry, but that's how I see it.

Jiro

yes... if you plan on living in rural area... or living as a simple person. if you lack education - you cannot learn anything easily. how are you supposed to read something that requires a high level of understanding and reasoning skill like... NY Times? or academic journals? how are you going to learn about politic? medical procedure? tax system? legal contract? stock market? business? etc? If your response is - "simple... I just hire someone"... then that, my friend, is not an example of independence. it doesn't have to be about depending on mommy and daddy.

Those "most young people" who are dependent on parents are the one who do not grow up. Nothing to do with education. They're just immature child who do not want to handle adult responsibility like laundry, rents, etc.

PuyoPiyo

That depends on their interests, or it is just simply waste of time.

Because the parents are pressuring them enough and later they became careless because they feel like their parents only want them to do everything what their parents told them to. Treat them like kids, then they will act like kids.

Jiro

not at all. Education is never a waste of time. It's only a waste of time if you do not want to learn anything. You expressed your interest in politic and health care. Without basic education, you cannot understand it nor can tell the authenticity of the source you're reading from. You would be easily misinformed/disinformed by it like.... FOX people.

Blame the parental skill on raising kids, not education or anything. It is statistically shown that educated parents raise better than uneducated parents. Education is the key to being informed on many things... for your own advantage because it's a great empowerment tool.. a key to Democracy. That's why other countries practice censorship and do not let women go to school to read and learn.

PuyoPiyo

Exactly on the bold in the quote, that's why I said or, so read careful please.

I don't really care if people don't want to learn how to read, but someday they will realized that they will have to learn how to read. Now that is very true learning. I just don't see how teacher yelling at students to read all the times works, except those students who would listen.

I didn't blame on the education, I blame that the parents are pressuring them on the school thing like telling them that they had to have an "A" grade all the times or they get grounded.

Jiro

lol talk about being impatience, huh? But yea - you and I have seen how broken our education system is. There's no standard.

now that is a very negative way of learning... I wouldn't do that either but I would be if they're being lazy by getting info from wikipedia.

Reba

Most schools here don't allow Wikipedia as a source because its information is unreliable.

If you know "it's not alway accurate" why would you use it?

PuyoPiyo

, That's true, there's no such a standard of learning to live in the modern world.

Agree, it was very negative, I personally have a friend and it was terrible and lost my friendship because of her parents, but oh well.

I wouldn't call students reading the wikipedia lazy unless it's a Simple English version.

PuyoPiyo

Because the Wikipedia tend to have the references that can be read through.

Jiro

reading sources such as TIME magazine and NY Times are designed to be understood by high school students. But what separate them from other sources such as USA Today is the depth of critical thinking and insights - in other word... a well-rounded and well-researched story... to provoke you into thinking on both sides. You don't get those in USA Today or FOX news.

PuyoPiyo

There are no NY Times in my area, but there's The Columbian and The Oregonian, also USA Today and others around my area, but yeah who care if people don't want to read them?