Jiro

I fail to understand why you keep saying "quit misinterpreting....." I simply re-tell you what you said to me in different sentence but same meanings. You just don't want to hear anything negative.

Like I said - you do NOT approach any strangers just to talk. All you do is "hint greet" and so do we. difference is - Americans APPROACH to strangers easier than Europeans do.

You repeatedly said NOT to talk to strangers and be CAUTIOUS of them because of that rape story. Now that is paranoid to me.

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Liebling:-)))

Excuse me for your ignorant and uneducation.

I can see from your post that you defend Reba against me, no matter what and how she started it... ? You alway pick on me everytime I debate with Reba... Are you not neutral?

How could we being paraniod when we don´t own gun for self-defense? Where´s your respect when I DON´T want to talk with strangers but just greet with friendly hint but call me as a paraniod... what a because you own a gun for self-defense but I don´t...


Europeans can own the guns if they want to but they are not interesting...

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Jiro

Europeans can own guns? that's new to me! Like I said long time ago - please read the post VERY CAREFULLY. In fact - next time you read any of my posts, read it 3x. I repost - "You cannot call us Americans paranoid just because we have guns. You don't call people paranoid based on weapons they have. It's in their thoughts."

People can be paranoid even without guns. They can have 5 door locks at home or install metal grills for their windows. They can be paranoid if they think every strangers are bad people. Paranoid means you're always suspicious of everybody.... not just people with guns.

Like I said before - Europeans depend on government too much. That is nothing good or bad. It's simply your European way to do so and we Americans live differently. There's no right or wrong. and I am not defending Reba but defending America's way of life. You frequently attacked American way. Reba and I are simply defending it against your misconceptions and misinterpretations.

so excuse me for your ignorance and uneducation as well....

Reba

For the last time, I will try to explain.

I taught my daughter not to speak to strangers when she was alone, as a child. If she was with me, of course she could speak to "strangers." When she grew up, of course she could speak to strangers. It had nothing to do with the "law". It was common sense. Children should not speak to or follow strangers when mommy or daddy, or grandparents or teachers are not with them. Of course, I would never leave my young child alone in public, so she didn't have to worry about "strangers." I didn't want her to grow up fearful of strangers.

Americans, because of their culture, are comfortable in greeting and talking to strangers that they meet in public places. It's the American cultural way, just like your link stated. That includes verbal and non-verbal greetings and interactions. That means it includes smiles, friendly expressions, words of greeting, holding doors, pointing out hazards, beckoning someone over to a shorter line, helping with requests, etc.


"Mommy, tell her to quit copying me!"




Only children are taught to not talk to strangers in America because they are children. Adults are supposed to use adult discernment when talking to strangers.

I own a gun but I don't carry it with me everywhere, and I don't answer the door with it in my hand. Once in a while I go to the range to practice shooting it. In my job I travel all over the place at weird times of day and night to places I don't know, to meet people I don't know. I'm careful but I'm not paranoid about it.


That's why we (Americans) don't let the bad guys control our lives or thoughts. We are aware that bad guys exist but we don't let them stop us from leading our lives or from being friendly to strangers.


Well, according to movies, ET phoned home and Dorothy landed in OZ but I don't base my life actions on what happens in movies.

Wow, that was very unsympathetic and cruel of her daughter!


If you make prejudicial statements that stereotype Americans you must realize that you are offending all Americans. If you say something is "the American way" that includes all Americans.


That's why I gave you a personal example. You can't say that it's common for Americans to shoot strangers at their doors when we Americans know from our personal experiences that it's not true. Should we just sit silently while you make untrue allegations against us?


I'm sorry, did you say something?


Really? How many American ADers have shot strangers at their front door? How many American ADers personally know of someone who has either shot someone at the door, or who has been shot by someone while knocking at the front door? What is the percentage of Americans who were involved in shootings at the front doors of homes that didn't involve a criminal activity?


What is there to see? You haven't show me any statistical facts that would prove it's "common" and not "rare".


If it's an unreasonable fear, it's paranoia no matter who does it. If it's a reasonable fear, then it's not paranoia. If someone has had a personal bad experience, or is in a dangerous neighborhood at night, or is carrying the business's night deposit bag, then a fear of strangers could be reasonable.

If Germans have a reason to be fearful of strangers then maybe they aren't paranoid. I didn't realize that Germany had such a high rate of stranger crime in public. I didn't realize that Germany was such a dangerous place to live. I thought Germany was safer than America. If I'm wrong about that then I'm sorry that I said it was paranoid behavior. If most strangers in Germany are dangerous, then avoiding them is probably a prudent thing to do.


Many? What is the percentage of those events annually throughout the whole country of America, compared to the entire population? How many people actually shot strangers in America just for coming to the front door?


I didn't say that you follow American culture in Germany. I said no one expects you to follow American culture in Germany. If you don't want to talk to strangers in Germany that's your culture and I don't expect you to change it while you live in Germany. You follow German culture in Germany, and we follow American culture in America.


Because Americans DON'T own guns for shooting strangers; it's not true.


You can say something back as long as it's true. If it's not true, you can expect a reply back.


Yes, you did. You said that you would "correct" our posts. If our posts weren't wrong then why would you need to "correct" them?

I can't win. The last time I replied to one of your replies to another ADer in another thread, you basically told me to butt out because you were replying to the other ADer's post, not to me. Now you expect me to reply to your replies to other people? I can't even keep up with my posts to you!



Why are your American co-workers confused?

To be clear: Greeting and talking to strangers is part of American culture.

Liebling:-)))

I hope the definition help you to understand what greeting is about. We europeans use greeting to strangers, not talk to strangers...

greeting: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com

If you still can´t convince the difference between greeting hint and talk to the stranger... then never mind.

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Sunshinelady

Hey hey hey, I read from pages 4 -12. *whoaaa whoaaa* Where are the Posting about Russia? you guys spoken about "talk with a strange man/woman or friendly to compare about america and europa".
CALM DOWN!!!
I can't blame one strange lady, when i saw her at Foods Store. i was like what she put their clothes? Pajama (sleepwear). i wont put my sleepwear and go outside. But i respect them. they took their different education, to me another, too.
everyone have some learning for their eduction life.
when i did travel through in Canada and sat front in the bus. one strange woman sat back. she saw my tank with open up laundry mark, so she touched on my laundry mark and put it down. I said, eeeh!!! that is first time for me and my mind said, wow she was soo friendly. i aware, in germany people arent too much friendly. i habit to live there. that is fine with me. but you guys are too hard argument about to compare friendly in america and europe. oh please!!! i hope, someday you will visit in germany and would more learn about culture in germany. you would understand.

when i am going with my husband to Harley davidson store in AZ. I saw one man, he has a gun in their back pants. i felt very bad and go outside, because i have no trust of this man, because i had never experience in my life, because i habit to live in germany and see no one gun. my husband said, nothing wrong and don't be afraid. i do afraid. that is very hard to accept for me. gun is not toys. He said, one man want protect himself, so I don't judgement about bad education in america, the same in germany. if you had been visiting in germany and learn yourself. Not hard argument, "best the live in america than germany" or whatever...
please the topic back about Russia.

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I want short tell you. Of course, it is a long time ago. PPL chose themselves, want one gun so badly or not. But by Taxi yes, because of their protect. driver women taxi don't want own gun, then take another the pepper-spray or another.

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Reba

OK; so you agree with my original statement.

I didn't ignore your post. You at first didn't stipulate a time frame, so I posted the first link that applied. You don't deny the facts of the link, so . . . ?


Neither Hubby nor I said it was about "that day". The phrase "first came down" refers to the first couple years of reunification.

Reba

The cultural difference is that Americans will have conversations with strangers, not just "hint" a greeting.

Americans will chat and chat with strangers while waiting in lines, sitting in waiting rooms, browsing thru stores, riding a city bus, etc. If it's a long flight, we might know each others' life stories before the plane lands.

Liebling:-)))

[quote]See? the problem is your ignorant...

We can apply for liecense to get gun if we want to but we are not interesting...

You call Europeans paraniod because Europeans don´t talk to strangers... Why can´t I allow to call Americans paraniod for use guns that´s because you agree with Reba for start to call European as a paraniod ?

Normally I would not like to call Americans as a paraniod for own gun because I want to respect them for good reasons, not just abuse gun for not reasons. I am sure that you know my posts at Gun control threads... Sadly, you and Reba disrespect Europeans´s mentatliy to label them as a paraniod for not want to strangers... so I has to remind her about gun issues why we do not consider ourselves as a parniod because we don´t own gun but Americans does. I would not say anything if Reba didn´t start it.



That´s exact point what I said back to Reba... Normally I would not say this because it´s disrespectful but Reba started it so I has to say back to her.

Really?, we don´t need to make too extreme like what you say here....

[quote]See? You really have no idea...

Not really... we are free to choose what we like...


Of course, I know. So?


No, you defend Reba few hours ago over "gun and paraniod" issues... I tried to tell you that it´s Reba who started it but you ignored me and agree with Reba for saying that Europeans are parniod for not talk to strangers.


I? WHAT? I think you confuse me with someone else. I don´t attack America´s way but debate respectful agree to disagree over healthcare and gun issues... that´s all. Please refrain your false statement.

Again false statement... I only disagree a little point is "talk to the strangers in public", no more than anything... All what I see is you misinterpreted my posts and make too extreme posts...


look the example of many posts like that..

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Europeans can own guns? that's new to me!

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Europeans depend on government too much.

And you don´t understand the difference between "talk to stranger" and "social common greeting"

This is a definition of your uneducation and ignorant.

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lol!!!!! great example of cultural shock, Sunshinelady! I was very puzzled long time ago when it was a "fashion fad" to wear pajamas and slipper in public. Liebling - there you go! Listen to Sunshinelady.

23 years of experience in US military base IS NOT THE SAME as living in America. You must live in America to UNDERSTAND it... just like Sunshinelady.

Sunshinelady - we are actually on topic. It's about Russians and former USSR people being suspicious of American friendliness. Reba and I explained why we're too friendly and we explained that it's simply our American culture to be friendly to strangers. That's why we're having huge debate about it with Liebling because she does not believe it is American culture.

Liebling - I'm ignoring your ENTIRE post #340 because it is completely INCOHERENT and it does not even warrant a reply.

Beowulf

Maybe Liebling isn't the only one who doesn't believe in "American culture." What IS culture? Cultural historian Raymond Williams defines culture as a structure of feeling that everybody within a particular culture more or less shares. We have many "structures" and many cultures but not a single uniquely American one.

Jiro

Liebling believes American Culture is Native American....

Foxrac

Oh my damn, I forgot to add j/k at end, sorry.

I was just messing with you, I just want see how Jiro's reaction looks like that.

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Jiro

ha ha. you already know what my reaction would be. YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT!

Beowulf

I like that for some reason. She is correct. Technically. If you really want to split hairs. Makes you think, doesn't it? heh

Liebling:-)))

[quote]I talked about your comparison post of yesterday, not your post of last week about not talk stranger alone, etc.

Please stick what we talk about comparison you tried yesterday.

Please don´t try to confuse with your posts again...

You talk about "talk to the strangers" in first place then stick with it. I am sure that you saw my response post to Puyo about greet each other (smile, etc)... but you don´t mention anything about "smile" after my response post to Puyo´s question but continue call European as a paroniod when you know very well what I talk about the difference since last week....

awwwww I only show that you did the same thing...

Some ADer said the same thing as me as well in several threads... We know and judge the difference if we want to talk to strangers something like small hint... or greeting... We are adult but we know what we doing... we have to be careful... it doesn´t mean that we are paraniod because we are careful... Would you still call us paraniod if we are careful for not go to fire... or something risk...?

Exactly, me too... you know it very well but why you call European paranoid for ?... We all are adult and know what we doing and careful what we doing...

Exactly point but why you call European parniod for when you know very well?

Whatever

Yes I know its brutal of her to say this to her mother that´s time she was just came home from clinic... but on her side, I can understand it got her confused why her mother can talk to stranger, but not her... thats why I don´t confuse my boys... I teach them to not talk strangers unless I am around... It won´t confuse my boys because I know them thru fitness studio, work, stores, etc... example, my boys talk to strangers, I asked them... who is they? He told me who they are and how they meet them... I replied... Oh I see... I don´t want to expose them with my parniod but respect and trust my boys for know the strangers, I never see before.

You started to offend Europeans for call them paraniod for not want to talk to strangers... why can´t I say something back to you then? Next time, becareful what you said then you could get fire back in return.

Should I keep quiet and allow you call Eureopan as a paraniod in first place? Quit play innocent.

Where I said that American ADers have shot strangers? Please refrain your false statement... I suggest you to look at many threads under current event sub-forum to fresh your memory about shoot wrong person or unarmed person.

Nice Try.


I only know from read all threads under current event and debates, TV news... You said in previous post that it´s rare but I don´t ... To me, it´s many... IMO.

See? I has to copy and paste what you said to me... Reba´s post "That's why I gave you a personal example. You can't say that it's common for Americans to shoot strangers at their doors when we Americans know from our personal experiences that it's not true. Should we just sit silently while you make untrue allegations against us? " You allow to assume false about Germans? You really has no idea what you are saying... and don´t understand (perhap disrespect) German´s menatlity... I hope it won´t offend Sunshinelady when she read your post. What you said is very false assumption. If Sunshinelady offend by your post, then owe her an apology. You keep on say that American are friendly to anyone... but see your own post... ? friendly? respect?

Yes, Germany is safer than America, that´s why we don´t need guns or lock door with 5 locks.... or shut the window with 5 locks like what Jiro said in his previous posts. We don´t need to be fear or paraniod anything but it´s just our way... Where´s your respect... .. All what I notice that you pick on people´s menatliy from different countries and brags how friendly your country are than other country - other countries are unfriendly...., paraniod, etc... Look at your own post here.... *shake my head disgusitly*



No matter what... shoot wrong person and unarm person under current event and debate sub-forum... many links and videos..., not just shoot but taser as well .

I don´t follow German or any culture but it´s just me and my way. It´s sadly that you call me a paraniod because I didn´t want to talk to strangers but just greet with hint. I don´t call you a paraniod in gun control threads but respect what you are and what you feel and what you beleive in. You know I don´t like to own a gun but I am against for ban the gun because I respect the gun owners for want to own a gun for good reasons...

Because Europeans DON`T fear or paraniod from talk to the strangers; it´s not true.

you don´t want to admit if it´s true because you alway think you are right... you don´t like to admit your mistakes...


Yes I correct you for your misleading over Eureopans... Why can´t I?

No, I responsed Sunshinelady´s post HERE, not other thread.


Simple is because you accuse Europeans as a paraniod / fears for greet with hint, not talk with strangers when you know very well that I repeated about greet since last week including my post to Puyo and Sunshinelady... but you ignored and accuse Eureopoans as a paraniod which got American co-worker confused thru your twist and confused posts. They thought you mean is real talk, not just greeting hint.

The interpretation of your last post saying is most greeting hint than talk to stranger...

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Liebling:-)))

[quote]Yes Sunshinelady support my claim thur difference culture and mentality... all what you call Europeans as a paraniod which is a disrespectful...

I know American´s way because I work with them for over 23 years... Please go back and re-read my posts. What Sunshinelady said is correct.

I never said that I don´t beleive in America´s culture.

That´s why there´re hugh debate because I disagree with talk to stranger is a america´s culture and correct you about European´s mentatliy and culture because you call Europeans as paraniod, unfriendly, etc, etc.


It´s your choice.

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not really. Technically - it is part of American Culture. Technically - American Culture is not predominantly Native American.

Jiro

I feel my job's done. I've already said it all. Liebling choose to disagree. that's her choice.

Liebling:-)))

True, I would have the same feeling as you when I look at them in different countries including America. All what you and I do is show our respect on their different culture and menatly but where is Reba´s and Jiro´s respect on us for call us as a Paraniod, fear, unfriendly, etc... because we do not like to talk to the strangers... *shake my head* I don´t say anything negative or bad about America and other countries but respect them when they are different as us... Look at them, they brags how friendly their country are but look at their own posts... :scratch:


It doesn´t mean that we are unfriendly but thats our mentatliy (way)...

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Liebling:-)))

Huh? I really feel sorry for you... *shake my head*

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Here we go.
If culture is a feeling shared by those within the feeling structure, what is the Amercan Culture?
I was just saying that since Native Americans are the true Americans and their feelings are shared, it is American Culture.

Liebling:-)))

Yes, all what I see European countries gun is police officers and security officers, that´s all. Yes, pepper-stray... but Europeans can apply for get liescene for gun if they want to but many are not interesting... We are one of them...

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Liebling:-)))

Beowulf, for share your open mind posts here. That´s what I thought so.

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Liebling:-)))

Okay, no problem.

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Jiro, please do not insult to Liebling. Liebling want try to explain, what she think about in America. she always know, what looks like culture in america, friendly etc.. but she didn't talking negative about culture in america. she just shock and never experience in her life, so i see Liebling want spoke out here, also free opinion on thread. NOT INSULT OR BLUNT TO LIEBLING, okay? "PEACE"

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here you go,
for examples, I have seeing a lot bigger cars in america. I sometimes laugh, because it is not make sense, if one single woman needs a bigger car, what for? she bought one milk at the Foods Store and put in the bigger car. It make sense?! that is why, some friends of mine, who they live in germany. They told me, *wow* in america need a bigger things, but why? automatic, they think, many American PPL do fat and big. I did explain them. no, that is not true! what i see, in america PPL do normal figure and thin, too.
i know, in the world are different culture.
i was visiting in malaysia. I saw couple with one kid sat on a smaller moped and without helmet. *wow* i know, it is not safe. But that is not my problem!!! i take my different rules and responsibility.

i think, it is enough! back topic about Russian!!

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Liebling:-)))

[quote]
Where? I do not see anything that my post support your statement...

Re-read your own post...

Reba's post.
Hubby reminded me about something. He said, "Remember when the Berlin Wall first came down? West Germans weren't even friendly to East Germans. They didn't want to share their country with 'others'. They should have been thrilled with their freedom and reunited families but it wasn't enough. It was shocking to see the West Germans' hostile reaction."

Where?

But you negative just West Germans, look at your own post.. above... that´s why I positive to correct your own post and explain why West Germans were disappointed with East Germans few months after fall of Berlin wall.

Accord your own post, you do if it´s day of fall berlin wall, not several years later.

The news like the link, you provided at earlier came few months later after fall of berlin wall.

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Liebling:-)))

for see my posts different than Jiro and Reba thought. They think I insult/offend them over America´s culture which I am not... They think I don´t know about Native American or don´t know America´s culture... Jiro think I don´t beleive in America´s culture... I only talk open what I think without insult/bash them...

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