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Unread 11-25-2008, 10:12 AM   #301 (permalink)
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sorry not interested in TN or KY lol. I prefer coastal zone or metro-area.
then try Atlanta or Charlotte or triple area in NC, and somewhere in FL and TX.
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Unread 11-25-2008, 10:14 AM   #302 (permalink)
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then try Atlanta or Charlotte or triple area in NC, and somewhere in FL and TX.
lol too south for me. I can't stand hot weather.
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lol too south for me. I can't stand hot weather.
lol, then DC area or in around northeast VA.

I guess PA is good enough to you, what about IL?
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lol, then DC area or in around northeast VA.

I guess PA is good enough to you, what about IL?
You just read my mind! I was going to say I wouldn't mind VA (close to DC area) because I lived at Blacksburg for 3 years.

IL? hell no!
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You just read my mind! I was going to say I wouldn't mind VA (close to DC area) because I lived at Blacksburg for 3 years.

IL? hell no!
Why not in IL? Just wonders.

I think it was because of strict gun control and high tax?
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Why not in IL? Just wonders.

I think it was because of strict gun control and high tax?
bingo! Chicago is a very depressing city too.
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bingo! Chicago is a very depressing city too.
Depends on part where are you in Chicago, Chicago has much successes from 90's, that where population were rebound (increase) after declined from 50's or 60's and varies of area are changing into better life, southside and some part of westside Chicago are bad area and some rundown with bunches of housing projects, some housing projects have been torn down then replace into mixed income housings.

Of course, I love Chicago metro but winter is quitely brutal.
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Depends on part where are you in Chicago, Chicago has much successes from 90's, that where population were rebound (increase) after declined from 50's or 60's and varies of area are changing into better life, southside and some part of westside Chicago are bad area and some rundown with bunches of housing projects, some housing projects have been torn down then replace into mixed income housings.

Of course, I love Chicago metro but winter is quitely brutal.
are you from Chicago?
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are you from Chicago?
Yup, in suburb area.
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Yup, in suburb area.
weird thing is - my friend lived near Chicago for a long time and during the whole time, he hated it. He finally moved out to Knoxville, TN. Too white for me but he's white
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weird thing is - my friend lived near Chicago for a long time and during the whole time, he hated it. He finally moved out to Knoxville, TN. Too white for me but he's white
When he was lived in Chicago? during 80's or 90's?

Everyone has different tastes.

For me, best place to live is LA, I had lived for about 13 years before left to Chicago in last 2 years ago.
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When he was lived in Chicago? during 80's or 90's?

Everyone has different tastes.

For me, best place to live is LA, I had lived for about 13 years before left to Chicago in last 2 years ago.
from 90's till 2 years ago. I wasn't too fond of LA. Neither for San Fransisco. I dunno why. Maybe I'm just not West coast type.
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from 90's till 2 years ago. I wasn't too fond of LA. Neither for San Fransisco. I dunno why. Maybe I'm just not West coast type.
Oh, I see.

I guess we are getting off topic and will chat via PM later.
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Oh, I see.

I guess we are getting off topic and will chat via PM later.
ain't nobody talking about anything else in here
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ain't nobody talking about anything else in here
lol, it seems like nothing to sticking with this topic.

Which part of Europe has meet your taste?
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lol, it seems like nothing to sticking with this topic.

Which part of Europe has meet your taste?
I have no idea. Definitely not Munich, Paris, Rome, and Venice. I've visited Europe once and it wasn't enough for me to decide for sure.
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I have no idea. Definitely not Munich, Paris, Rome, and Venice. I've visited Europe once and it wasn't enough for me to decide for sure.
What about Switzerland? I think they have good gun laws.
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No, your comparison over teach children to not drive the car and talk the stranger is a fallicious.

You teach your children to follow the law to not steal things from shops, drive a car or drink alochol until legal age...

You teach your children to not talk to the strangers is not law but your responsbiltiy as parent.

This is a difference.
We teach our children that there are some things that they aren't allowed to do until they are adults. That's all.

BTW, adults aren't supposed to steal things from shops either.


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Huh? Don't try to confuse me with your posts... Please stick what you talk about "talk with strangers" because you are the one who agrees to talk with strangers... , not one word about "smile" or "hi".
Excuse me for not including every possible scenario and expression that might occur.

Let's see--smile, chat, grin, talk with, speak to, converse, hi, hello, hey, howdy, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good day, wassup, strike up a conversation, pass the time, shoot the breeze, nod, wave, and commiserate.

I hope I covered all possibilities.


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Did I said or accuse that you did? I only said that it's American's way for shoot the strangers for go in their property.
I am an American, and I live the American way, so I'm included in your statement.

My point was, it is NOT the American way to shoot strangers just because they show up on their property.


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wow...

I have seen US movie - a stranger came to a lady ask if the car liescne # belong her because he bump her car... A lady followed him to see where he damaged her car... Guess what he raped her... Don't tell me to watch too much Hollywood movies but it's happened like that... True story... A German lady stopped at Autobahn car park and want to help 2 men for car battery. A lady was went to back of her car to get battery pack ... suddenly 2 men grabbed her and raped her. It got her nightmare because she want to help them. It happened same with British lady, she want to help a man to call the abulumance for his wife... Guess what he lock and repeat rape her for 5 days then burnt her survived. It got her nightmare rest of life. We were taught to be careful... It's okay when we make hint each other Hello, Good morning, etc... Don't tell me that there're never happened in America.
You compare those events with talking to people in public places?


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1.) Did I said or accuse that you did shot a stranger at door?
You said it was the American way. I'm an American, and that is not my way.

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2.) You said that you are an American and never know that anyone shoot a stranger... really? I would suggest you repeat to re-read many threads under Current Event... Example of all, A drunk man went wrong door and shot to death... A teenager was being shot because he tried to take McCain's sign in owner's property... and more lists.... you can re-look to fresh your memory under Current Event sub-forum.
Yes, really. I don't personally know anyone who has shot a stranger at the door.

I don't personally know any of those people that you mention.

I don't need my memory refreshed, thank you. I know who I know, and none of the people I know have shot anyone at the door.

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3.) rare? To me, many....
That's your viewpoint but not a statistical fact.

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What you "mock" European's mentality and made an exaggerating to label them as "parniod"...
The behavior you described is paranoia because it's an unreasonable fear.


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I remind you that American also shoot strangers for go in their house property...
If someone invades a home and threatens to harm the residents then the residents have the right to shoot them. But that's not a common American custom.


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That's why I disagree that "talk with strangers" is a American's culture but their own personality like everyone... friendly, unfriendly, paraniod, racist, anti-gay, etc. Many americans carry their guns to the public in different states that's why I would not call "talk with strangers" is a friendly American's culture... I feel it's misleading... to lead them beleive that they can talk with strangers... no way... small hint like Good morning, Hello, etc... like the link, I provided in my previous post to learn what American's way like that.
No one expects you to follow the American culture in Germany. It would be nice if you would not mischaracterize our culture. You claim that you want to learn what the American way is but when we try to explain it to you, you tell us that we are wrong. I thought you posted before that you respect other cultures?
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If you know that but why you posted few years later instead of next day to few days after Fall of Berlin Wall?
Because that's when the research was published. Obviously no one had a study done on the day the wall came down. Research studies show people's attitudes over a period of time.
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We teach our children that there are some things that they aren't allowed to do until they are adults. That's all.
I teach my children to obey the law why they should not do that until legal age and teach my children to not talk to the stranger is my responsibly, not law. You tried to compare is a fallicious.

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BTW, adults aren't supposed to steal things from shops either.
What the adult did is break the law.

It does the same when they know better there are bad and good strangers everywhere but they are suppose to be careful case their children would make their parent feel fool for not allow them to talk to stranger but they can...



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Excuse me for not including every possible scenario and expression that might occur.

Let's see--smile, chat, grin, talk with, speak to, converse, hi, hello, hey, howdy, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good day, wassup, strike up a conversation, pass the time, shoot the breeze, nod, wave, and commiserate.

I hope I covered all possibilities.

This is an American social custom of greeting.

Nice try...

P.S. Most of your description is a common greeting like many countries including Europe around the world which is normal. Sure, we have different social customs of greeting due cultural background. I would agree that it's social custom of greeting is an America's culture but I disagree that "talk to the stranger" is an America's culture.



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I am an American, and I live the American way, so I'm included in your statement.
I am an European, and I live the European way, so I'm included in your statement.

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My point was, it is NOT the American way to shoot strangers just because they show up on their property.
My point was, it's NOT the European way to be parniod just because it's their mentatily to be careful to talk/chat with strangers but their cultural common greetings mostly... I can see from other thread that Europeans are not alone but Americans as well... We (Europeans and Americans) were being taught to not talk to the strangers... Would you also call Americans as paraniod as well because they are being taught to not talk strangers but just use cultural common greeting?

You own gun, but I don't... Who paraniod... ?


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You compare those events with talking to people in public places?
It's no comparison because they were being raped by strangers after talk to them in public. It's my point that there're bad and good strangers everywhere.

Accord US movie, what I shared from saw at earlier... After being raped by stranger, she talked in the public whom he asked for liescne number plate# and it's her car... She was survived... Guess what? her daughter confused and asked her did she know him? She replied no, only check the damage car because he told her that he hitted her car... Her daughter told her off for talk to the stranger because she taught her to not talk to the stranger but she does... her daughter made her feel fool and hyprocrite... why she can but her daughter can't? Her daughter made a good point.


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You said it was the American way. I'm an American, and that is not my way.
So? It's my general talk, not fingerpoint to you or whatever... All what I see your post is about you... I talk about American in general without fingerpoint anyone...

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Yes, really. I don't personally know anyone who has shot a stranger at the door.

I don't personally know any of those people that you mention.
wow, it's about you... wow... I talk general about Americans, not all about you.

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I don't need my memory refreshed, thank you.
I don't force you to fresh your memory but offer my suggestion. Okay, this is your choice for being ignorant.

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I know who I know, and none of the people I know have shot anyone at the door.
wow, all is about you... I can see that you only think yourself, not what and how Americans through in general what we learn from current event sub-forum.

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That's your viewpoint but not a statistical fact.
Okay, this is your choice for not want to see it.

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The behavior you described is paranoia because it's an unreasonable fear.
Would you also call American ADers, too at few threads for not want to talk to the strangers? Where's your respect for everyone who is different for not want to talk with strangers ?

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If someone invades a home and threatens to harm the residents then the residents have the right to shoot them. But that's not a common American custom.
Accord many threads, that they shoot wrong person and unarmed person.

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No one expects you to follow the American culture in Germany.
where have I say to follow American culture in Germany?

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It would be nice if you would not mischaracterize our culture.
wow...All what I see is you started to disrespect Euroepean's mentatily including myself in first place.. Why can't I say something to remind you that we (Europeans) don't own the gun to shot the strangers but Americans does BECAUSE you started to label us as a paraniod? wow, you allow to say anything what you want but you offend that I say something back to you? why can't I say something back then? hypocrisy!

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You claim that you want to learn what the American way is but when we try to explain it to you, you tell us that we are wrong.
Please don't make a false statement because I never said that you are wrong but disagree with you over "talk to stranger is an American culture"... Yes, it got my American co-workers and talk about American's common greeting... so I responded Sunshinelady's post last week but nobody quoted my post to say that it's exact what you are try to tell me but you kept on say "talk to stranger is a America's culture...." until I found 3rd link yesterday then you said that the link support you... it's an exact what I responsed Sunshinelady last week... I would agree with you if you said that it's American's social custom of greeting is a culture and then would be less debate if you agree with me last week? That's why you confused me and my American co-workers over "talk to the strangers" which you mean is "america's common greeting" to stranger is a American custom/culture.

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I thought you posted before that you respect other cultures?
Yes, I'm but you?
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Because that's when the research was published. Obviously no one had a study done on the day the wall came down. Research studies show people's attitudes over a period of time.


We already know within few days after Fall of the Berlin Wall that some East Germans were not happy to be free from communison, not several years later...

I explained why West Germans are not happy with East Germans FEW months after greet them on the day of Berlin Wall Fall... My post was being ignored and claim that your hubby are correct... so I asked for the source to support your claim... It should be FEW days, not several years later after Fall of Berlin Wall.


Reba's post.
Hubby reminded me about something. He said, "Remember when the Berlin Wall first came down? West Germans weren't even friendly to East Germans. They didn't want to share their country with 'others'. They should have been thrilled with their freedom and reunited families but it wasn't enough. It was shocking to see the West Germans' hostile reaction."


Accord the link, you posted is not match what you and your hubby claimed... Accord your post that West Germans were not friendly to East Germans on that day of wall berlin pulled down... that's exact source, I want to see...
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SAN MATEO, Calif. -- A gunman shot and killed 24-year-old Loan Kim Nguyen as she lifted her young children to safety through a window Tuesday morning during a failed home invasion robbery attempt. The gunman was then killed in an ensuing gun battle with responding SWAT officers, according to authorities.

San Mateo police said they received a call from a man at about 9:40 a.m. about an armed robbery underway at a home on Hobart Avenue near South El Camino Real. The caller told police his wife and children -- aged 1 and 3 -- were in the house and had barricaded themselves in a bedroom, police Deputy Chief Mike Callagy said. The man wasn't home at the time, but had received a text message from his wife about the invader, according to officers.

Officers arrived at the scene and set up a perimeter around the house. The male suspect was observed inside the residence with a handgun, according to officers. After a shot was heard fired inside the home, a Special Weapons and Tactics team was summoned. Hostage negotiators were also brought in to attempt contact with the suspect in an effort to get him to surrender, Callagy said.

SWAT officers surrounded the house and were able to get in telephone contact with Nguyen. She reported that the suspect was trying to gain entry into the bedroom where she was barricaded with her children and that she wanted to lower the children out of the bedroom window so officers could get them to safety.

At an early evening press conference to address the incident, San Mateo Police Chief Manheimer said Nguyen was struck as she was lowering her children to officers standing on a van in the driveway of the home when the suspect began firing blindly through the walls of the bedroom.

She said police returned fire as one child was safely taken away. Nguyen handed the second child to an officer before crumpling to floor of the bedroom, Manheimer said.

She was taken to Stanford Hospital, where she was pronounced dead. The children were not harmed.

"The victim in this case is nothing short of a hero for saving the lives of her two small children from the crazed gunman," Manheimer said.

She said it's not clear yet who fired the bullets that killed Nguyen or the suspected intruder. But she said police were not shooting when Nguyen was hit.

San Mateo County Coroner Robert Foucrault said investigators will perform a ballistics comparison to try to answer that question. It is also unclear how the suspect died. Manheimer said suicide has not been ruled out.

The children were uninjured in the incident and Manheimer commended the officers "who at great risk to their own safety and also under fire" saved them.

She said one officer jumped off the top of the van holding one of the children after the suspect began shooting. She said some officers may have suffered minor injuries but nothing serious.

Police are still investigating whether the suspect knew the victim or her family. A car was towed from across the street that Manheimer say may be related.

In addition to the criminal investigation by the San Mateo Police Department, the department will conduct an internal investigation into the officers' actions. The District Attorney's Office will also investigate that aspect.

Manheimer said there were several points at which gunfire was exchanged but that the details are still unclear. Officers from eight agencies responded.

Larry Schieser, a real estate agent who works at the nearby Prudential California Realty, said he was having a normal morning at work around 9 a.m. when he saw a couple of police cars.

A steady stream of patrol cars then followed, and a SWAT team arrived.

He said he then heard numerous gunshots.

"Once the shots were fired it became very quiet in our office, surreal almost," he said. "We realized something serious was taking place."

He said he and his coworkers were told to stay inside the office while police investigated.

The home where the shooting happened is across the street from a Montessori preschool called Bright Beginnings Toddler.

Jerry Adan, who answered the phone at the school, said staff members Tuesday afternoon were focused on making sure their preschoolers were OK.
and we're paranoid? we don't deserve to protect ourselves? big difference between you and I is that you depend on government for everything, we don't. We depend on ourselves for ourselves.
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My point was, it's NOT the European way to be parniod just because it's their mentatily to be careful to talk/chat with strangers but their cultural common greetings mostly... I can see from other thread that Europeans are not alone but Americans as well... We (Europeans and Americans) were being taught to not talk to the strangers... Would you also call Americans as paraniod as well because they are being taught to not talk strangers but just use cultural common greeting?
OK so... you were being "careful" to talk to strangers.... as in never talk to them at all.What are you being careful about? Are you worried about getting hurt?

Because of Europeans being careful, they keep it to themselves. Americans don't. We like to talk and learn so we initiate conversation first.
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no. not ... more like bring it on! we beat the redcoats before. we can beat them again now!

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no. not ... more like bring it on! we beat the redcoats before. we can beat them again now!

*UK queen called China to help invade our country*

Very scary, is it?
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and we're paranoid? we don't deserve to protect ourselves? big difference between you and I is that you depend on government for everything, we don't. We depend on ourselves for ourselves.
I do not wish to debate further which we did at gun threads but I only remind Reba about gun issues because she started to call European as a parniod that we European donīt have gun but American does... Reba should not call European as a paraniod in first place thatīs how I fire her back to remind her over gun issues.
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OK so... you were being "careful" to talk to strangers.... as in never talk to them at all.What are you being careful about? Are you worried about getting hurt?

Because of Europeans being careful, they keep it to themselves. Americans don't. We like to talk and learn so we initiate conversation first.
Go back and re-read my posts... I think you donīt understand what social common greeting is about. Of course we greet each other with hint when we walk pass by...

I saw another threads that Iīm not alone for not like to talk with strangers I never see before... but use greeting is okay. Why pick on me, not Americans who did the same as me as well for not like to talk with strangers?

Quit misinterpret my post, please.
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Unread 11-26-2008, 11:40 AM   #329 (permalink)
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Liebling's dream is... want USA to be return to under UK and member of EU, replace all US laws into UK style law and monarchy constitutional, it means king or queen can control everything, Jiro will gonna to be .
Please don´t make an assumption what I said because I never said one word...

Please refrain your false statement...


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I do not wish to debate further which we did at gun threads but I only remind Reba about gun issues because she started to call European as a parniod that we European donīt have gun but American does... Reba should not call European as a paraniod in first place thatīs how I fire her back to remind her over gun issues.
this is not about gun issue. You cannot call us Americans paranoid just because we have guns. You don't call people paranoid based on weapons they have. It's in their thoughts. If people are overly-cautious and suspicious of strangers.... then yes they are paranoid.

Europeans don't have guns because the governments were "paranoid" about being overthrown by their own citizens. They're still in medieval age mindset - they must have control.
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