Deaf Shamanic Retreat in Peru in November

Work with a native Peruvian shaman in the Amazon


Finally the Deaf community has access to one of the fastest, most intense (yet loving) spiritual paths available. Open the door to train, heal, and empower within the Spirit World directly through Infinite Light.

- Physical, Spiritual, Emotional and Psychological Healing
- Develop psychic abilities
- Learn to heal others (can work to intensify other healing modalities)
- Apprenticeships available

Other Services Include:

- Medicinal Plant Identification Course
- Jungle Survival Course
- Weight Loss Program
- Spiritual Life Coaching
- Spanish Tutoring

Groups held every month serving hearing and Deaf communities. Special Deaf Retreat November 10-23!

Infinite Light
Amazonian Shamanism Medicinal Visionary Plant Healing
(serving both the Deaf and hearing communities)
www.infinitelightperu.com
Contact Meghan infinitelightperu@gmail.com

I realize I'm going to stir up a hornet's nest by posting these links but here goes nothing:

If you have to pay to pray, it's likely a fraud.

Carlos Castaneda has been exposed as a fraud... and many others like Micheal Harner who claims to have learned Shamanism from a South American tribe are also considered frauds in Indian Country.

Here's a partial list of Indian sites against fraud:

Native Religions & "Plastic Medicine Men"

War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality

Although this involves mostly North American Indian nations; I'm pretty certain that South American Indians take a dim view on fake Shamans.

If you don't believe me, do a google on Plastic Shaman.

deafskeptic said:

I realize I'm going to stir up a hornet's nest by posting these links but here goes nothing:

If you have to pay to pray, it's likely a fraud.

Carlos Castaneda has been exposed as a fraud... and many others like Micheal Harner who claims to have learned Shamanism from a South American tribe are also considered frauds in Indian Country.

Here's a partial list of Indian sites against fraud:

Native Religions & "Plastic Medicine Men"

War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality

Although this involves mostly North American Indian nations; I'm pretty certain that South American Indians take a dim view on fake Shamans.

If you don't believe me, do a google on Plastic Shaman.

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You are absolutely right about any fraud shamans or medicine persons. If they want to earn money like the doctors in big hospital or any hospitals where they earn big bucks. It does not sound too good at all. Yeah, we have a problem like that in every native nations both in Canada and United States. If a person want to get help from the Shaman or Medicine person to heal him/her, then the sick person always give him/her a tobaccos (usually one bag of Tobaccos is enough) which helps the Shaman to heal himself with smudging like giving himself or herself over her body (hand washing with sweetgrass or sage or any tobacoo with the smoke smothering over your body) to get rid of bad things in his or her body. Just make sure you ask questions to the Shaman and if this is the real Shaman that are interest in helping sick people get well, then go for it. He/She will not accept money payments and that is the good and the old way to do that. To become a Shaman or Medicine person, it takes years to learn how to study the special plants and other spiritual things to heal a sick person. Right now in our First Nation Reserve we don't have a Shaman and they can conduct themselves for Sweat Lodge ceremonies just to cleanse our soul, so that helps some of the natives into healing their health. I hope as a Deaf Shaman, you are good at it and really helping many natives people both Hearing and Deaf people.

I met this native Shaman in AZ, he had a beautiful long black hair and he told us Shamans in their culture do not cut their hairs. Just a penny thought.

deafskeptic said:

I realize I'm going to stir up a hornet's nest by posting these links but here goes nothing:

If you have to pay to pray, it's likely a fraud.

Carlos Castaneda has been exposed as a fraud... and many others like Micheal Harner who claims to have learned Shamanism from a South American tribe are also considered frauds in Indian Country.

Here's a partial list of Indian sites against fraud:

Native Religions & "Plastic Medicine Men"

War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality

Although this involves mostly North American Indian nations; I'm pretty certain that South American Indians take a dim view on fake Shamans.

If you don't believe me, do a google on Plastic Shaman.

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They also show on TV about it.

jazzy said:

I met this native Shaman in AZ, he had a beautiful long black hair and he told us Shamans in their culture do not cut their hairs. Just a penny thought.

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Did he say what nation he is from? Also, have you contacted that nation to see if he's for real? If they have never heard of him, he's likely a fraud. If not, treat this shaman as a possible fraud.

deafskeptic said:

Did he say what nation he is from? Also, have you contacted that nation to see if he's for real? If they have never heard of him, he's likely a fraud. If not, treat this shaman as a possible fraud.

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I did not ask him which tribe he came from. We just happen to met him on the GPA claim where we were digging for gold. He and his wife were there alos so were other people. He happened to work on side with my husband. I mentioned to him, you have a beautiful long black hair then that was how we found out that his religion did not allowed him to cut his hair. That he was a shaman, I was profoundly by this experience. I never met a shaman in my whole life and I am not interest into do this kind of healing perform by others on me. I had enough with Tronto blessings,

So this thread is really just advertising for a travel agent? That is how it looks to me when I click on their website.

Actually, it appears to be a New Age site for those who are into that kind of thing. I'm afraid that much of what passes for New Age is based on fraud; new age shamanism is nearly aways based on fraud. It doesn't appear to be from any legit travel site.

As for the terp who posted, she may or may not be aware of the fraud part. If she's not aware, I hope she doesn't lose her money or home on this. I've known some who went homeless as a result. I've been fooled by one such person in the past hence my interest in this.

For the record, I am not Indian myself but I had some serious doubts about one such shaman five years ago and found out from the Indians he's a fraud and that's how I became involed in this. As Bebonang has noted, it's a problem that nearly all Native Nations in North America and very likely South America as well have to deal with.

deafskeptic said:

Actually, it appears to be a New Age site for those who are into that kind of thing. I'm afraid that much of what passes for New Age is based on fraud; new age shamanism is nearly aways based on fraud. It doesn't appear to be from any legit travel site.

As for the terp who posted, she may or may not be aware of the fraud part. If she's not aware, I hope she doesn't lose her money or home on this. I've known some who went homeless as a result. I've been fooled by one such person in the past hence my interest in this.

For the record, I am not Indian myself but I had some serious doubts about one such shaman five years ago and found out from the Indians he's a fraud and that's how I became involed in this. As Bebonang has noted, it's a problem that nearly all Native Nations in North America and very likely South America as well have to deal with.

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Is New age Shamanism brand new? After watched on TV channel history about those shamanism, they are very old and it had been going on for thousand years. I agree if they want money then they are fraud. It goes same with Tornto Blessings, they scammed people for many years.

I am sorry you was being fooled by one of those shaman as I was being fooled by those Tronto Blessings.

Traditional Shamans have to be pure in traditional and know all about the special plants and other devices that will help the sick or someone who has bad karma. They will only accept the tobacco as the payment to heal the sick person. The shamanism practice have been going on for million of years if not thousand of years and pass down through the ancestors before them. Professional Doctors do not go out in the forest or woods to look for special plants to heal sick people. They get medications from pharmacy factories like in the store. They also want to get pay for money and only think about money (Bug Bucks), period, I think.

As for the trip to Peru, it is up to the individuals to decide if they want to make the trip to Peru for spiritual karma or to get better from poor health. It sounds a little bit like a Spa or Camp out and learn how to use them in their personal life.

It is a long way down in South America and right now we are in a terrible inflation or heading into Depression where we don't have enough money to survive for the every day lifestyle. Right here on my Rez, we want to be heal by our own Shaman who might come to the hospital or to the healing circle if permitted to use the smoke sweetgrass or sage on the sick person and do the chanting to get rid of our bad soul or pain plus a lot of drumming to ward off bad spirits.

I don't know if I want to make the trip because for one thing in South America has a lot of corruptions and can get into trouble with the laws and the government. I don't know. My sister who is hearing want to go to South America but never went. She is too busy with her work trying to help homeless people off the street into the shelters right in Santa Fe, New Mexico. :umm:

jazzy said:

Is New age Shamanism brand new? After watched on TV channel history about those shamanism, they are very old and it had been going on for thousand years. I agree if they want money then they are fraud. It goes same with Tornto Blessings, they scammed people for many years.

I am sorry you was being fooled by one of those shaman as I was being fooled by those Tronto Blessings.

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That's a good question. Traditional Shamanism has little in common to do with the New Age version from what I understand.

Sometimes I think the people in the New Age renamed the occult New Age to make it more respectable. It's a broad movement that involves spiritualism, neo-paganism, astrology, the major and minor religons and that is just a partial listing. You can find books on the New Age at the local bookstore. Unfortunately, that openess to new ideas also leaves the field wide open to fraud and that is my beef with the New Age movement; fraud is rampant in it. While I don't believe in any of that stuff, I'm inclined to to take a live and let live approach to things as long as fraud isn't apparent or the practice isn't dangerous.

A fake shaman rarely has any formal training from what I understand and it takes years to learn Shamanism properly. It's like becoming a minister in some ways. You have to go to college then Seminary before becoming a minister. Too little training can be disastrous for the community that you're serving.

Once in a blue moon, I'll hear about some unorthodox zealot who's stirring trouble and such people rarely have much training in the field they're in and my first thought upon hearing about such people is often "oh, dear don't tell me he thinks God told him to go out and spread the word and that he never had any formal training in his chosen field."