HIV+ Travellers banned from entering the US

Kuifje75 · 12-31-2006, 10:16 AM

Yesterday, I was talking with my French friend, and I learned something shocking about our government. My French friend had a friend who is HIV+ and he went to Canada to visit. Then he rode a bus from Montréal to New York, only to be stopped at the border and told to get off the bus. It was because he answered the customs form "Yes" to the question asking whether if he was HIV+.

Naturally, I was surprised that our government would ban HIV+ tourists from visiting our country. I decided to do some research and found out that US is one of the 15 countries that actively ban HIV+ tourists from entering our borders. It was a part of a legislation that was passed in 1987 by Jesse Helms in midst of the AIDS scare, and this law has not changed in the past 20 years.

Do you think that this law is extreme, given that the US is supposedly the most free nation in the world? Do you believe that HIV+ travellers should continue to be banned, because you think that they will actively spread the HIV? Do you think that this legislation should be changed to permit HIV+ tourists into our country, especially to fulfill their dreams to see what America is like?

shel90 · 12-31-2006, 10:53 AM

It seems like the President has eased some of the restrictions but not remove the law. I never knew about this law until I saw your posting. Wow!!! Apparently it was enforced during the panic about HIV and AIDS in the 80s. I think it is wrong and discriminating especially now that we are more educated about it. Besides there are thousands of HIV and AIDS cases here in the US so apparently the law was of no use except to discriminate foriegners.

Aidsmap | US promises ‘streamlined’ process for HIV-positive tourist visas

Kuifje75 · 12-31-2006, 11:45 AM

It is STILL enforced, Shel90. My French friend's friend was RECENTLY denied entry into the US as of this year.

shel90 · 12-31-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuifje75

It is STILL enforced, Shel90. My French friend's friend was RECENTLY denied entry into the US as of this year.

Right...like I said in my previous post, Bush hasnt removed it..just eased the restrictions but apparently not enough or it is more BS talk from Bush.

shel90 · 12-31-2006, 11:54 AM

OOOH..I reread the link and paid closer attention...it hasnt eased the restrictions yet but said "will". My mistake in not reading it correctly in the first place. That sucks...

Kuifje75 · 12-31-2006, 11:58 AM

Yeah, it sucks. And someone asked if I had HIV, for the record, no I dont.

Angel · 12-31-2006, 12:19 PM

But it also said " HIV-positive individuals can apply for a short-term waiver to allow them to enter the US under certain circumstances. " I prefer to wait and see what changes they're going to do about this law here but however I do agree that this is an inappropriate policy which I'm absolutely speechless ...

Liebling:-))) · 12-31-2006, 12:31 PM

wow, I´m total speechless...

I find this law is an extreme & unfair. Yes, this is a discriminate what the lawmaker did.

I only know that the tourists who carried lyme disease (tick-bit) are not accept to some of countries but HIV...?

Angel · 12-31-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I only know that the tourists who carried lyme disease (tick-bit) are not accept to some of countries but HIV...?

Serious? how come?...

Heath · 12-31-2006, 03:33 PM

I happen to agree with that policy of denying HIV + people into the U.S.A. This is not being mean to the people who are HIV + and it is more of a safety measure and I do support that safety measure. The only people that should be admitted to the U.S.A. are those who had blood transfusions or are hemophillic. There is no sense in spreading further the HIV + disease within our own country. This is a good safety measure. Too bad it has gotten caught up in a political and emotional firestorm. If they would stop to look at the common-sense safety measures put in place then this debate would have ended right there, case closed. The safety of the U.S.A. comes first.

shel90 · 12-31-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath

I happen to agree with that policy of denying HIV + people into the U.S.A. This is not being mean to the people who are HIV + and it is more of a safety measure and I do support that safety measure. The only people that should be admitted to the U.S.A. are those who had blood transfusions or are hemophillic. There is no sense in spreading further the HIV + disease within our own country. This is a good safety measure. Too bad it has gotten caught up in a political and emotional firestorm. If they would stop to look at the common-sense safety measures put in place then this debate would have ended right there, case closed. The safety of the U.S.A. comes first.

Wait a min...I disagree with you on that. The US is already so infected with HIV and AIDS and will continue to be regardless of banning foriegners with HIV and AIDS from entering the US. I really think this policy is just an outdated theory that was created back then when people were uneducated about this disease. Did it work? Nope cuz as long as people continue to engage in risky behavior this epidemic will continue. I seriously doubt by letting foriegners with this disease in the US will contribute to the spreading of the disease.

Heath · 12-31-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Wait a min...I disagree with you on that. The US is already so infected with HIV and AIDS and will continue to be regardless of banning foriegners with HIV and AIDS from entering the US. I really think this policy is just an outdated theory that was created back then when people were uneducated about this disease. Did it work? Nope cuz as long as people continue to engage in risky behavior this epidemic will continue. I seriously doubt by letting foriegners with this disease in the US will contribute to the spreading of the disease.

Why leave things to chance ? Look, denying entry for people who are HIV + to the U.S.A. is the smart thing to do then there are the educational efforts within the U.S.A. to stop the spread of HIV + and if we would listen to the advice God gave in the book of Leviticus which is in essential, HIV prevention with alots of common sense then hopefully find a cure for HIV but I don't think there will be a 100 % cure of HIV and this sounds like one of the Biblical diseases being poured out from the book of Revealations in these End Times with so many people sinning before God like in the times of Noah, nobody heeded the call of God then the whole world drowned in a great flood so basically, the whole world is drowning in a disease that is a plague to society called HIV/AIDS. Let me ask you a question, during the Black Plague of the 17th or the 18th century. Would you of have left anything to chance ?

This is why I support the policy of protecting the U.S.A. from the diease plus any another much more deadly dieases to not be entered into the U.S.A. period. That is not being mean, that is being safe. Think about it 750,000 to 1 million HIV + immigrants being admitted to the U.S.A in the course of one year. Are you more than happy to take that chance ? I think not.

LuciaDisturbed · 12-31-2006, 04:32 PM

Heath, you're ignorant.

shel90 · 12-31-2006, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

Why leave things to chance ? Look, denying entry for people who are HIV + to the U.S.A. is the smart thing to do then there are the educational efforts within the U.S.A. to stop the spread of HIV + and if we would listen to the advice God gave in the book of Leviticus which is in essential, HIV prevention with alots of common sense then hopefully find a cure for HIV but I don't think there will be a 100 % cure of HIV and this sounds like one of the Biblical diseases being poured out from the book of Revealations in these End Times with so many people sinning before God like in the times of Noah, nobody heeded the call of God then the whole world drowned in a great flood so basically, the whole world is drowning in a disease that is a plague to society called HIV/AIDS. Let me ask you a question, during the Black Plague of the 17th or the 18th century. Would you of have left anything to chance ?

This is why I support the policy of protecting the U.S.A. from the diease plus any another much more deadly dieases to not be entered into the U.S.A. period. That is not being mean, that is being safe. Think about it 750,000 to 1 million HIV + immigrants being admitted to the U.S.A in the course of one year. Are you more than happy to take that chance ? I think not.

What's up with all these religous statements? How are they related to this thread? They are of no interest to me so no need for religous statements...your opinion and point of view is good enough for this thread.

shel90 · 12-31-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

Heath, you're ignorant.

I was thinking the same too. All these religous statements do not make sense to me. Just makes me

Heath · 12-31-2006, 04:45 PM

Okay Lucia and Shel90, Since you ignore the value of medicine in the Holy Bible.

You both can not ignore these secular statements.

Let me ask you a question, during the Black Plague of the 17th or the 18th century. Would you of have left anything to chance ?

This is why I support the policy of protecting the U.S.A. from the diease plus any another much more deadly dieases to not be entered into the U.S.A. period. That is not being mean, that is being safe.

Think about it 750,000 to 1 million HIV + immigrants being admitted to the U.S.A in the course of one year. Are you more than happy to take that chance ? I think not.

shel90 · 12-31-2006, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

Okay Lucia and Shel90, Since you ignore the value of medicine in the Holy Bible.

You both can not ignore these secular statements.

Let me ask you a question, during the Black Plague of the 17th or the 18th century. Would you of have left anything to chance ?

This is why I support the policy of protecting the U.S.A. from the diease plus any another much more deadly dieases to not be entered into the U.S.A. period. That is not being mean, that is being safe.

Think about it 750,000 to 1 million HIV + immigrants being admitted to the U.S.A in the course of one year. Are you more than happy to take that chance ? I think not.

I am not a religous person so the quotes from the Bible has no meaning to me. If u believe in all that, that is your choice but I am just saying that preaching the bible to me wont work so there is no need for it.

As for banning anyone with HIV/AIDS in the US..it is just discriminating. If I had a family member or friend with that disease from another country and that person cant visit me just because he/she is stricken with the disease I would be very heartbroken. I think the solution to this problem is people have protected sex, stop sharing needles, and better regulation on the blood supply.

Where is your source about those numbers?

Heath · 12-31-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I am not a religous person so the quotes from the Bible has no meaning to me. If u believe in all that, that is your choice but I am just saying that preaching the bible to me wont work so there is no need for it.

As for banning anyone with HIV/AIDS in the US..it is just discriminating. If I had a family member or friend with that disease from another country and that person cant visit me just because he/she is stricken with the disease I would be very heartbroken. I think the solution to this problem is people have protected sex, stop sharing needles, and better regulation on the blood supply.

Where is your source about those numbers?

If somebody is HIV + and can not come to the U.S.A. then you can go visit that family member or a friend in another country.

I just know that the INS admits millions of legal immigrants into the U.S.A. every year and we do not need our legal residents from another countries coming in with the infected HIV + disease, again this is not being mean and This is about SAFETY of the United States of America. Why leave something to chance ? The risk is simply just too great. Also, don't forget another countries rountinely deny HIV + people into their countries as a matter of SAFETY too.

shel90 · 12-31-2006, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

If somebody is HIV + and can not come to the U.S.A. then you can go visit that family member or a friend in another country.

I just know that the INS admits millions of legal immigrants into the U.S.A. every year and we do not need our legal residents from another countries coming in with the infected HIV + disease, again this is not being mean and This is about SAFETY of the United States of America. Why leave something to chance ? The risk is simply just too great. Also, don't forget another countries rountinely deny HIV + people into their countries as a matter of SAFETY too.

That is your opinion and u are entitled to it just as I am. I just didnt appreciate all the religous statements cuz they have nothing to do with this issue.

Banjo · 12-31-2006, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

Let me ask you a question, during the Black Plague of the 17th or the 18th century. Would you of have left anything to chance?

The Black Plague was contagious by touch and air. HIV/AIDS isn't. I can understand if a foreigner is denied access to the USA if s/he is found to carry an airborne illness (Bird Flu and similar illnesses) but AIDS/HIV?

There's a big difference right there.

Cheri · 12-31-2006, 05:44 PM

I did not know anything about this laws that bans travellers from entering the United States. I don't agree with this, because it's very discriminated. We have United States citizens that carry HIV/AIDS, what are they doing to do about them? Banned them from the public shopping stores, restaurants etc?

Opal · 12-31-2006, 06:24 PM

Very sad, what's more, you can't say no to little kid of HIV to give them a wish to see the Disneyworld, as it is popular for any life-threatening illness kids under the "Makeawish" charity to make their dreams comes true for their short life.

Up to now, I don't know how would any charity thinks of it as it is nearly number one priority list for Australian terminal illness kids to visit America's DisneyWorld.

Foxrac · 12-31-2006, 06:44 PM

Heath, There's many people have HIV and AIDS in USA, gotta deal with it.

Foxrac · 12-31-2006, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

Why leave things to chance ? Look, denying entry for people who are HIV + to the U.S.A. is the smart thing to do then there are the educational efforts within the U.S.A. to stop the spread of HIV + and if we would listen to the advice God gave in the book of Leviticus which is in essential, HIV prevention with alots of common sense then hopefully find a cure for HIV but I don't think there will be a 100 % cure of HIV and this sounds like one of the Biblical diseases being poured out from the book of Revealations in these End Times with so many people sinning before God like in the times of Noah, nobody heeded the call of God then the whole world drowned in a great flood so basically, the whole world is drowning in a disease that is a plague to society called HIV/AIDS. Let me ask you a question, during the Black Plague of the 17th or the 18th century. Would you of have left anything to chance ?

This is why I support the policy of protecting the U.S.A. from the diease plus any another much more deadly dieases to not be entered into the U.S.A. period. That is not being mean, that is being safe. Think about it 750,000 to 1 million HIV + immigrants being admitted to the U.S.A in the course of one year. Are you more than happy to take that chance ? I think not.

No, You won't surprised that more white people got AIDS/HIV than Latino does.

GalaxyAngel · 12-31-2006, 08:56 PM

Which it's sad issue their own lawmakers and all want 'protection' their country and not allowed welcomed anyone who forgieners cannot come pay visit country come with HIV+.. I believe lawmakers are full of crap and discriminate ongoing counts!

I do agree w/Opal's statement certinally where their makewish when come and near.

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12-31-2006, 10:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
Kuifje75 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 431	HIV+ Travellers banned from entering the US Yesterday, I was talking with my French friend, and I learned something shocking about our government. My French friend had a friend who is HIV+ and he went to Canada to visit. Then he rode a bus from Montréal to New York, only to be stopped at the border and told to get off the bus. It was because he answered the customs form "Yes" to the question asking whether if he was HIV+. Naturally, I was surprised that our government would ban HIV+ tourists from visiting our country. I decided to do some research and found out that US is one of the 15 countries that actively ban HIV+ tourists from entering our borders. It was a part of a legislation that was passed in 1987 by Jesse Helms in midst of the AIDS scare, and this law has not changed in the past 20 years. Do you think that this law is extreme, given that the US is supposedly the most free nation in the world? Do you believe that HIV+ travellers should continue to be banned, because you think that they will actively spread the HIV? Do you think that this legislation should be changed to permit HIV+ tourists into our country, especially to fulfill their dreams to see what America is like? __________________ Megvan a repülőjegyem, az útlevelem, kész vagyok az útazásra.

12-31-2006, 10:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
shel90 Sun Whorshipper Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A Desert Rat that has found herself in Maryland Posts: 16,155 Blog Entries: 1	It seems like the President has eased some of the restrictions but not remove the law. I never knew about this law until I saw your posting. Wow!!! Apparently it was enforced during the panic about HIV and AIDS in the 80s. I think it is wrong and discriminating especially now that we are more educated about it. Besides there are thousands of HIV and AIDS cases here in the US so apparently the law was of no use except to discriminate foriegners. Aidsmap \| US promises ‘streamlined’ process for HIV-positive tourist visas __________________ ~Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

12-31-2006, 11:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
Kuifje75 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 431	It is STILL enforced, Shel90. My French friend's friend was RECENTLY denied entry into the US as of this year. __________________ Megvan a repülőjegyem, az útlevelem, kész vagyok az útazásra.

12-31-2006, 11:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
shel90 Sun Whorshipper Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A Desert Rat that has found herself in Maryland Posts: 16,155 Blog Entries: 1	OOOH..I reread the link and paid closer attention...it hasnt eased the restrictions yet but said "will". My mistake in not reading it correctly in the first place. That sucks... __________________ ~Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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12-31-2006, 11:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
Kuifje75 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 431	Yeah, it sucks. And someone asked if I had HIV, for the record, no I dont. __________________ Megvan a repülőjegyem, az útlevelem, kész vagyok az útazásra.

12-31-2006, 12:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 19,088	But it also said " HIV-positive individuals can apply for a short-term waiver to allow them to enter the US under certain circumstances. " I prefer to wait and see what changes they're going to do about this law here but however I do agree that this is an inappropriate policy which I'm absolutely speechless ... __________________ "When we do the best we can, we never know what miracle is brought in our life, OR in the life of another." ~ Helen Keller

12-31-2006, 12:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 27,054	wow, I´m total speechless... I find this law is an extreme & unfair. Yes, this is a discriminate what the lawmaker did. I only know that the tourists who carried lyme disease (tick-bit) are not accept to some of countries but HIV...? __________________

12-31-2006, 03:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Heath Banned Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,959	I happen to agree with that policy of denying HIV + people into the U.S.A. This is not being mean to the people who are HIV + and it is more of a safety measure and I do support that safety measure. The only people that should be admitted to the U.S.A. are those who had blood transfusions or are hemophillic. There is no sense in spreading further the HIV + disease within our own country. This is a good safety measure. Too bad it has gotten caught up in a political and emotional firestorm. If they would stop to look at the common-sense safety measures put in place then this debate would have ended right there, case closed. The safety of the U.S.A. comes first.

12-31-2006, 04:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
LuciaDisturbed Amateur Psychiatrist Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 5,163	Heath, you're ignorant. __________________ We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile. We will add your distinctiveness to our Collective. Implanted left ear 10/11/06, activated 10/16/06 - Nucleus Freedom DeviantArt

12-31-2006, 04:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
Heath Banned Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,959	Okay Lucia and Shel90, Since you ignore the value of medicine in the Holy Bible. You both can not ignore these secular statements. Let me ask you a question, during the Black Plague of the 17th or the 18th century. Would you of have left anything to chance ? This is why I support the policy of protecting the U.S.A. from the diease plus any another much more deadly dieases to not be entered into the U.S.A. period. That is not being mean, that is being safe. Think about it 750,000 to 1 million HIV + immigrants being admitted to the U.S.A in the course of one year. Are you more than happy to take that chance ? I think not.

12-31-2006, 05:44 PM	#21 (permalink)
Cheri Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,074	I did not know anything about this laws that bans travellers from entering the United States. I don't agree with this, because it's very discriminated. We have United States citizens that carry HIV/AIDS, what are they doing to do about them? Banned them from the public shopping stores, restaurants etc? __________________

12-31-2006, 06:24 PM	#22 (permalink)
Opal ~~~~~ Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,752 Blog Entries: 1	Very sad, what's more, you can't say no to little kid of HIV to give them a wish to see the Disneyworld, as it is popular for any life-threatening illness kids under the "Makeawish" charity to make their dreams comes true for their short life. Up to now, I don't know how would any charity thinks of it as it is nearly number one priority list for Australian terminal illness kids to visit America's DisneyWorld. __________________ (\ (\ (=' x') (,('')('')

12-31-2006, 06:44 PM	#23 (permalink)
Foxrac o_O Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 14,350	Heath, There's many people have HIV and AIDS in USA, gotta deal with it. __________________ God bless America

12-31-2006, 08:56 PM	#25 (permalink)
GalaxyAngel That's me! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Alberta,Canada Posts: 13,542	Which it's sad issue their own lawmakers and all want 'protection' their country and not allowed welcomed anyone who forgieners cannot come pay visit country come with HIV+.. I believe lawmakers are full of crap and discriminate ongoing counts! I do agree w/Opal's statement certinally where their makewish when come and near. __________________ Parent's proud our children.