HIV+ Travellers banned from entering the US - Page 2

InTheGenes · 01-02-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Heath

Okay Lucia and Shel90, Since you ignore the value of medicine in the Holy Bible.

You both can not ignore these secular statements.

Let me ask you a question, during the Black Plague of the 17th or the 18th century. Would you of have left anything to chance ?

This is why I support the policy of protecting the U.S.A. from the diease plus any another much more deadly dieases to not be entered into the U.S.A. period. That is not being mean, that is being safe.

Think about it 750,000 to 1 million HIV + immigrants being admitted to the U.S.A in the course of one year. Are you more than happy to take that chance ? I think not.

Utter lunacy. You can chant your "That is not being mean, that is being safe" mantra all you want, and claim that you only have everyone's best interests at heart... but that fact is, Heath, you're just attempting to cloak your bigotry in religious rhetoric.

Yeah, I know... big surprise. You're certainly not the first to do so, and I'm sure you won't be the last.

The fact is, you've allowed yourself to succumb to the politics of Fear. You've chosen a kneejerk response to a "problem" that is not nearly as monumental as you've built up in your mind. If we allowed your criteria to govern who we admit into the country, then we'd likely be shutting down airports all over the nation.

After all... using your way of thinking (disclaimer: these are NOT my thoughts, but rather, an exaggeration to make a point)... we'd probably not let anyone who hails from the Middle East into the country, because they're probably all terrorists, right? And since our nation has an obesity problem, we shouldn't allow anymore overweight people into the country, right? And you know... teen pregnancy is still very much a problem all over the country... so we probably don't want to admit any more sexually active males into the country, so we can cut down on that pesky teen pregnancy thing, right? And gosh darn it... it sure would be a safer place if we only let members of the Christian faith cross our borders, don't you think? We just can't trust those heathen pagans/muslims/jews/insert-your-favorite-non-Christian here!

Unfortunately, Heath, you're not going to be able to seal the country up inside a protective bubble that keeps out everything you're afraid of. The world doesn't work that way.

My advice to you: educate yourself (with FACTS, rather than the bible) about the things that frighten you. You'll likely lead a happier life, free(r) of the fear that binds you.

This "law" is ridiculous, but certainly not surprising, being a piece of the Jesse Helms legacy.

Freaky Cat · 01-02-2007, 04:26 PM

This is discriminating. We need to change this law to let others enter our country so they can contribute to our economy and enjoy sightseeing and fulfill their wishing dreams like sick kids to visit Walt Disney, etc. This is shocking to me. NO way appalling really. We need to do something about it. Writing to Congress.. good way to start.. so lets write to our congress and do something today!

Heath · 01-02-2007, 04:36 PM

You guys just missed my point about the safety issue. Think about it from the perspective of a medical doctor. Do you really think a medical doctor would feel comfortable with having 5 million HIV + immigrants coming into the U.S.A. I don't think you, as a medical doctor would be comfortable with that.

If a HIV + kid made a wish then I don't see a problem with the Make a Wish Foundation taking their parents and the HIV + kids to Disneyland then they can go home. Jesus Christ !!!!! I am not that cold !!!!! This is more about common-sense safety measures.

Banjo · 01-02-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath

Jesus Christ !!!!!

Tsk, tsk... taking Lord's name in vain.

Freaky Cat · 01-02-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Tsk, tsk... taking Lord's name in vain.

I agree with you on this. its wrong to do that..

***Jolie77*** · 01-02-2007, 06:04 PM

Let's stick on the topic while we still can, okay?

In the early 80's, It was a sure thing about having an AIDS/HIV scare. Now that we're getting educated about it. I think it is time to make an amendment to that law to get it updated and be sure it is educated rather than just making a "ban" to bar these tourists with HIV+. I have no problem with the tourists visiting United States regardless of their health implications, so and on. Being a tourist and an immigrant are 2 separate things to have.

I do realize that it is scary but why do we have to bar them out when they (Other Countries) haven't barred us (American Citizens) out yet?

Phillips · 01-02-2007, 07:03 PM

interest!!!

mecooncat · 01-02-2007, 07:07 PM

Look at this way, bird flu, I don't know much about it but still learning. 20 years ago, I was only 18 when AIDS first came out. The discovery was Rocky Hudson. I didn't know much about AIDS/HIV back then. I educated myself about those disease. It's worth learning how to protect yourself and not having a fear. It's best to learn different kinds of diseases and how you can protect yourself. Not going in a panic attack. It's not the end of the world. Just chill out.

Foxrac · 01-02-2007, 08:37 PM

Heath, STOP to being negative about AIDS and HIV, also that SOOO sick.

Angel · 01-02-2007, 08:40 PM

:::holding up a white peace flag:::

RedheadGrrl · 01-03-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

:::holding up a white peace flag:::

I am with you Angel!!

Liebling:-))) · 01-03-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

Serious? how come?...

I searched at english google to provide the link here but I can´t find. I remember exactly from magazine, I read that a guy who want to visit, is being reject because of this. It was happeend at 3 or 4 years ago. I will search at German website to find right one... (He didn´t get shot against lyme diease after tick-bite.)

Later then they received shot to against lyme disease.. It look like that the tourists who received shot, is able to fly to some country.

Liebling:-))) · 01-03-2007, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Opal

Very sad, what's more, you can't say no to little kid of HIV to give them a wish to see the Disneyworld, as it is popular for any life-threatening illness kids under the "Makeawish" charity to make their dreams comes true for their short life.

Up to now, I don't know how would any charity thinks of it as it is nearly number one priority list for Australian terminal illness kids to visit America's DisneyWorld.

*nodding agreement*

Liebling:-))) · 01-03-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Heath

You guys just missed my point about the safety issue. Think about it from the perspective of a medical doctor. Do you really think a medical doctor would feel comfortable with having 5 million HIV + immigrants coming into the U.S.A. I don't think you, as a medical doctor would be comfortable with that.

If a HIV + kid made a wish then I don't see a problem with the Make a Wish Foundation taking their parents and the HIV + kids to Disneyland then they can go home. Jesus Christ !!!!! I am not that cold !!!!! This is more about common-sense safety measures.

I don´t beleive that incurable illness people travel to USA for sex.

I see nothing wrong that incurable illness people travel to USA to learn about American culture & enjoy themselves.

You will get HIV or AID thru sexual contact... This is all.

Liebling:-))) · 01-03-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mecooncat

Look at this way, bird flu, I don't know much about it but still learning. 20 years ago, I was only 18 when AIDS first came out. The discovery was Rocky Hudson. I didn't know much about AIDS/HIV back then. I educated myself about those disease. It's worth learning how to protect yourself and not having a fear. It's best to learn different kinds of diseases and how you can protect yourself. Not going in a panic attack. It's not the end of the world. Just chill out.

Yes, I second that.

Angel · 01-04-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I searched at english google to provide the link here but I can´t find. I remember exactly from magazine, I read that a guy who want to visit, is being reject because of this. It was happeend at 3 or 4 years ago. I will search at German website to find right one... (He didn´t get shot against lyme diease after tick-bite.)

Later then they received shot to against lyme disease.. It look like that the tourists who received shot, is able to fly to some country.

But Lyme disease is not contagious and it can be treated successfully with a few weeks of antibiotics...I still don't understand why this gentleman was being reject from allowing to visit ...

Liebling:-))) · 01-04-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

But Lyme disease is not contagious and it can be treated successfully with a few weeks of antibiotics...

Yes but the treatment, you receive successful only if they found the remark where tick bite on your body. If they can´t find then is bad. (Example, they can´t find until they found tick bite in their head - that´s how to lead them coma... body pain, etc.) It was happened to few of my co-workers and friends before.

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I still don't understand why this gentleman was being reject from allowing to visit ...

I tried to remember what the magazine said at 3 or 4 years ago. I wish to pay attention bit more.... I remember that he was on coma for over one year after tick bite. What´s special reason, why he was being reject...? I cannot remember. I will try to find out.

Angel · 01-04-2007, 02:38 PM

Sure no problem Liebling, I'll be here LOL...

Liza · 01-04-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fly Free

agreed and sadly there ARE ignorant ppl out there

Isn't it interesting that an endangered species is protected, but a species in abundance especially of the ignorant variety is also protected by the law?

JK!!

Well we have a lot of diseases in the world, and it's not like Americans don't have what their neighbors have. It's not a good thing to confuse two groups by treating them the same under an antiquated umbrella-law.. one irresponsible and one responsible, and both have the same disease. The government made a big mistake during the AIDS scare, and it's horrible to continue this ignorant legacy at the expense of the truly honest ones who do have the disease.

DefMATRIXense · 01-06-2007, 03:42 PM

Well, in my opinion, I am supporting this law. I HATE to say but agreed with Heath. Can't ignore the facts and it is not about HIV/AIDS discriminating. If in that case, do you think big and tall/ FAT people can't sit on any ride at disneyworld or on the airplane or anything like that. So we should call SIZE discriminating? That's fucking silly. USA protects people, is being safe, and does anything in its power to make this country the best as possible as it can.

By the way, HIV/AIDS is not a disease. You can get a HIV/AIDS by through sex contract, sharing needles, and drugs therefore it is infected.

DefMATRIXense · 01-06-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

No, You won't surprised that more white people got AIDS/HIV than Latino does.

Speaking of surprise, gay people get HIV/AIDS more than white people do.

DefMATRIXense · 01-06-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuifje75

First of all, why is it that people would think that HIV+ tourists come to USA to have sex with our citizens? Has it occured to you that they might not want to do that, but to visit around the US and see the beautiful sights that we have, plus contribute to our tourism economy?

I think this policy forces many HIV+ tourists to lie and to hide their medications via mailing them in advance or buying it from an expensive American market.

Opal has a wonderful point. Can we deny a kids with HIV+ entry to the US, therefore ruining his dream to go to Disney World or Disneyland?

It is sad that we do a better job banning sick tourists than terrorists.

There are several international disney worlds in the world. USA has two which is in Florida and CA. But this has nothing do with.... Never mind. Sick kid and tourist with HIV/AIDS are different. the law is applied for tourist with HIV/AIDS only. Thereofre some of those posts are invaild.

Angel · 01-06-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DefMATRIXense

Speaking of surprise, gay people get HIV/AIDS more than white people do.

Eh? That's doesn't make quite sense.. What does it have to do with the color of their skin?....

Did you thought all gay people are purple? blue? orange? what?

Kuifje75 · 01-06-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DefMATRIXense

By the way, HIV/AIDS is not a disease. You can get a HIV/AIDS by through sex contract, sharing needles, and drugs therefore it is infected.

Not a disease?
According to Merriam-Webster Online,

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disease 2 : a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : SICKNESS, MALADY.

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HIV : any of various strains, serotypes, or clades of HIV-1 and HIV-2 that infect and destroy helper T cells of the immune system causing the marked reduction in their numbers that is diagnostic of AIDS -- called also AIDS virus, human immunodeficiency virus

HIV sometimes manifests into symptoms, so according to the definition, it is a disease. I never heard that it was otherwise.

DefMATRIXense · 01-06-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

Eh? That's doesn't make quite sense.. What does it have to do with the color of their skin?....

Did you thought all gay people are purple? blue? orange? what?

Wait a minute, you jumped to the wrong conclussion. I want to make a point for pacman. That's because Pac-man stated that, "No, You won't surprised that more white people got AIDS/HIV than Latino does." and by the time I read this, I was like what has do with this thread? and decided to bring it up which is not related to this thread. I am sorry if I confused you

View Poll Results: Should the law be changed?
No! Leave the current law intact!	8	25.81%
Maybe; change the law to permit tourists but no immigrants.	6	19.35%
Yes, end the ban!	17	54.84%
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01-02-2007, 06:04 PM	#36 (permalink)
*Jolie77* Love all, trust a few. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kentucky, USA (The Bluegrass State) Posts: 5,537	Let's stick on the topic while we still can, okay? In the early 80's, It was a sure thing about having an AIDS/HIV scare. Now that we're getting educated about it. I think it is time to make an amendment to that law to get it updated and be sure it is educated rather than just making a "ban" to bar these tourists with HIV+. I have no problem with the tourists visiting United States regardless of their health implications, so and on. Being a tourist and an immigrant are 2 separate things to have. I do realize that it is scary but why do we have to bar them out when they (Other Countries) haven't barred us (American Citizens) out yet? __________________

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01-02-2007, 04:26 PM	#32 (permalink)
Freaky Cat My cat Oreo :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ArKaNsAs Posts: 10,184	This is discriminating. We need to change this law to let others enter our country so they can contribute to our economy and enjoy sightseeing and fulfill their wishing dreams like sick kids to visit Walt Disney, etc. This is shocking to me. NO way appalling really. We need to do something about it. Writing to Congress.. good way to start.. so lets write to our congress and do something today!

01-02-2007, 04:36 PM	#33 (permalink)
Heath Banned Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,959	You guys just missed my point about the safety issue. Think about it from the perspective of a medical doctor. Do you really think a medical doctor would feel comfortable with having 5 million HIV + immigrants coming into the U.S.A. I don't think you, as a medical doctor would be comfortable with that. If a HIV + kid made a wish then I don't see a problem with the Make a Wish Foundation taking their parents and the HIV + kids to Disneyland then they can go home. Jesus Christ !!!!! I am not that cold !!!!! This is more about common-sense safety measures.

01-02-2007, 07:07 PM	#38 (permalink)
mecooncat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 543	Look at this way, bird flu, I don't know much about it but still learning. 20 years ago, I was only 18 when AIDS first came out. The discovery was Rocky Hudson. I didn't know much about AIDS/HIV back then. I educated myself about those disease. It's worth learning how to protect yourself and not having a fear. It's best to learn different kinds of diseases and how you can protect yourself. Not going in a panic attack. It's not the end of the world. Just chill out.

01-04-2007, 02:38 PM	#48 (permalink)
Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 19,088	Sure no problem Liebling, I'll be here LOL... __________________ "When we do the best we can, we never know what miracle is brought in our life, OR in the life of another." ~ Helen Keller

01-06-2007, 03:42 PM	#50 (permalink)
DefMATRIXense Am I a legendary Link? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, Florida & Union City, New Jersey Posts: 1,427	Well, in my opinion, I am supporting this law. I HATE to say but agreed with Heath. Can't ignore the facts and it is not about HIV/AIDS discriminating. If in that case, do you think big and tall/ FAT people can't sit on any ride at disneyworld or on the airplane or anything like that. So we should call SIZE discriminating? That's fucking silly. USA protects people, is being safe, and does anything in its power to make this country the best as possible as it can. By the way, HIV/AIDS is not a disease. You can get a HIV/AIDS by through sex contract, sharing needles, and drugs therefore it is infected. __________________