Marvel at the beauty of Michael Moore's 10,000 sq ft summer mansion! - Page 2

**TXgolfer** · 11-15-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

You're misinformed because you posted a slanted op-ed full of charged language and half-truths. In your own post you bring up the same oft-repeated erroneous facts about Michael Moore that all the right wing pundits do (he does no personally own any Halliburton stock--nor has he personally traded it. His foundation has, but that isn't part of his income).

You've lost all credibility with me already.

Interesting,do you support Moore's investing in Haliburton for his foundation?

jillio · 11-15-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Interesting,do you support Moore's investing in Haliburton for his foundation?

I think you've got it reversed,there.

**TWA** · 11-15-2011, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveM

Re-read my post. I clearly stated his personal charity owned the Halliburton stock.

You ignored my point that he took tax payer money as corporate welfare to get refunds for "Capitalism: A love Story." Money from the state of MI, with some of the highest unemployment numbers.

Are the facts sited in the Op Ed incorrect?

I'm sorry I lost my credibility with you.

I'm quite a good reader, thank you very much. You implied that he "made a fortune"--which is a lie. I don't care if you did mention it was his personal charity. You're still trying to make him look like some day trader making a killing on stocks. the fact is, he didn't make anything on stocks. That's a charitable foundation. That money isn't part of his income. It can't be. That would be illegal. Duh.

So, there's a half truth already.

Next-- I don't know about this $1 million tax incentive he received to film _Capitalism_. This is the first I've heard about it. MM is not someone I follow closely. (I haven't seen any of his movies since _Fahrenheit 911_). I'm sure there are a lot of qualifiers here. The way you and the op-ed make it sound, the Michigan state government just gave him a pile of cash. Another half truth.

jillio · 11-15-2011, 10:41 PM

Fill in the blank:

Michael Moore's foundation owned Haliburton stock until_____________.

Can any of the finger pointers fill in the blank correctly?

**deafskeptic** · 11-15-2011, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Pictures lie all the time.

yep, I can think of ways to doctor my photos with Photoshop though I will admit that I'm not very skillful at at it.

**TWA** · 11-15-2011, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Interesting,do you support Moore's investing in Haliburton for his foundation?

Moore didn't do the investing.

I personally think the entire stock market is a scam and should be abolished, but that would leave us with no options under the current system.

jillio · 11-15-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

I'm quite a good reader, thank you very much. You implied that he "made a fortune"--which is a lie. I don't care if you did mention it was his personal charity. You're still trying to make him look like some day trader making a killing on stocks. the fact is, he didn't make anything on stocks. That's a charitable foundation. That money isn't part of his income. It can't be. That would be illegal. Duh.

So, there's a half truth already.

Next-- I don't know about this $1 million tax incentive he received to film _Capitalism_. This is the first I've heard about it. MM is not someone I follow closely. (I haven't seen any of his movies since _Fahrenheit 911_). I'm sure there are a lot of qualifiers here. The way you and the op-ed make it sound, the Michigan state government just gave him a pile of cash. Another half truth.

That is exactly why they are not providing sources.

**TXgolfer** · 11-15-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Moore didn't do the investing.

I personally think the entire stock market is a scam and should be abolished, but that would leave us with no options under the current system.

Is his foundation in a blind trust?

jillio · 11-15-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Is his foundation in a blind trust?

Post 34, please.

**TWA** · 11-15-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Is his foundation in a blind trust?

How should I know?

jillio · 11-15-2011, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

How should I know?

Funny how they ask questions but refuse to answer them.

DaveM · 11-15-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

That is exactly why they are not providing sources.

If you're referring to the Halliburton stock his IRS records are public because it was a 501c3

They are public and first found through the Hoover Institute.

From a progressive view:

Not just a few shares either. Don't forget Moore has always said he doesn't own any stock and doesn't have a broker. But his foundation owns tens of thousands of shares in Boeing, Sonoco, Eli Lilly and Halliburton, the same defense company that "Fahrenheit 9/11" attacked for making huge profits out of rebuilding such countries as Afghanistan and Iraq after U.S. military intervention.

Read more: Michael Moore a victim of his own success - seattlepi.com

Michael Moore confronted by progressive filmakers about his lies:

Michael Moore caught lying (Halliburton Stock) - YouTube

**TWA** · 11-15-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Funny how they ask questions but refuse to answer them.

Funny, too, how they ask questions that really have no bearing on the discussion, but when you ask them pertinent, relevant questions. .................................................. ..

BTW, still waiting for a response from big Tex on another thread about why Obama has such a low regard for women.

kokonut · 11-15-2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveM

I was mugged by reality. That sucks.

Classic!

jillio · 11-15-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveM

If you're referring to the Halliburton stock his IRS records are public because it was a 501c3

They are public and first found through the Hoover Institute.

From a progressive view:

Not just a few shares either. Don't forget Moore has always said he doesn't own any stock and doesn't have a broker. But his foundation owns tens of thousands of shares in Boeing, Sonoco, Eli Lilly and Halliburton, the same defense company that "Fahrenheit 9/11" attacked for making huge profits out of rebuilding such countries as Afghanistan and Iraq after U.S. military intervention.

Read more: Michael Moore a victim of his own success - seattlepi.com

Michael Moore confronted by progressive filmakers about his lies:
Michael Moore caught lying (Halliburton Stock) - YouTube

Here we go again. Tax records showing personal income are not public information.

Can you fill in the blank in post #34?

DaveM · 11-15-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

I'm quite a good reader, thank you very much. You implied that he "made a fortune"--which is a lie. I don't care if you did mention it was his personal charity. You're still trying to make him look like some day trader making a killing on stocks. the fact is, he didn't make anything on stocks. That's a charitable foundation. That money isn't part of his income. It can't be. That would be illegal. Duh.

So, there's a half truth already.

Next-- I don't know about this $1 million tax incentive he received to film _Capitalism_. This is the first I've heard about it. MM is not someone I follow closely. (I haven't seen any of his movies since _Fahrenheit 911_). I'm sure there are a lot of qualifiers here. The way you and the op-ed make it sound, the Michigan state government just gave him a pile of cash. Another half truth.

501c3 organizations make money. They are a profitable venture.

Moore received tax credits from a film board that he sits on!
Michael Moore, Michigan Film Incentive [Mackinac Center]

He actually did this for a movie that demonizes corporations for doing exactly what he does!

Trust me, if you're a good intellectual liberal, Moore is not on your side! He profits off of those gullible enough to fall for some sort of Tom Joad character he has created somehow.

jillio · 11-15-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Funny, too, how they ask questions that really have no bearing on the discussion, but when you ask them pertinent, relevant questions. .................................................. ..

BTW, still waiting for a response from big Tex on another thread about why Obama has such a low regard for women.

Don't hold your breath. They don't answer the pertinent questions. Such a transparent technique. I've asked several tonight that have failed to be answered.

**TXgolfer** · 11-15-2011, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

How should I know?

You seemed to know alot about his situation.

So then it is possible he knew who the foundation was investing in then?

**TWA** · 11-15-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveM

501c3 organizations make money. They are a profitable venture.

Moore received tax credits from a film board that he sits on!
Michael Moore, Michigan Film Incentive [Mackinac Center]

He actually did this for a movie that demonizes corporations for doing exactly what he does!

Trust me, if you're a good intellectual liberal, Moore is not on your side! He profits off of those gullible enough to fall for some sort of Tom Joad character he has created somehow.

Do you even look this shit up before you post it?

God, okay, since you have no sense to buy a clue, here's some free wiki for you: 501(c) organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice the NOT-FOR-PROFIT part?

kokonut · 11-15-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveM

Michael Moore is worth an estimated 50 million dollars. That places him WELL into 1% territory and then some!

What Percent Are You? - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Good thing you got your head screwed on straight and are no longer reality impaired.

DaveM · 11-15-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Here we go again. Tax records showing personal income are not public information.

Can you fill in the blank in post #34?

501c3 organizations by law must make their records open to the public. His organization Center for Alternative Media was in fact a 501c3.

jillio · 11-15-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveM

501c3 organizations make money. They are a profitable venture.

Moore received tax credits from a film board that he sits on!
Michael Moore, Michigan Film Incentive [Mackinac Center]

He actually did this for a movie that demonizes corporations for doing exactly what he does!

Trust me, if you're a good intellectual liberal, Moore is not on your side! He profits off of those gullible enough to fall for some sort of Tom Joad character he has created somehow.

Directly tied to Mackinac Center: Michigan Capitol Confidential is the news source for Michigan residents who want an alternative to “bigger government” remedies in policy debates. MichCapCon reports on the public officials who seek to limit government, those who do not, and those whose votes are at odds with what they say.

No right wing bias there.

**Jiro** · 11-15-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Is his foundation in a blind trust?

according to my brother - when you put in money for investment such as mutual funds, the company will invest it in wherever it sees fit in order to grow. that's their job... to grow your money. the traders do not see nor care who they're investing in on daily basis. all they see is numbers. they buy, sell, trade, short trade, etc. this is nothing like e-trade or ameritrade. My brother did this for living for a while at Wall Street.

this is how they handle your money -

they do not stop and google to research each company they put money in. I wouldn't be surprised if I owned a stock in those companies as listed above from my mutual funds.

**TXgolfer** · 11-15-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Funny, too, how they ask questions that really have no bearing on the discussion, but when you ask them pertinent, relevant questions. .................................................. ..

BTW, still waiting for a response from big Tex on another thread about why Obama has such a low regard for women.

Oh but they questions DO have a bearing on the dicussion. We just haven't gotten there yet.

I didn't see the other question....

**sallylou** · 11-15-2011, 11:02 PM

People who have to label other people have small minds.

jillio · 11-15-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveM

If you're referring to the Halliburton stock his IRS records are public because it was a 501c3

They are public and first found through the Hoover Institute.

From a progressive view:

Not just a few shares either. Don't forget Moore has always said he doesn't own any stock and doesn't have a broker. But his foundation owns tens of thousands of shares in Boeing, Sonoco, Eli Lilly and Halliburton, the same defense company that "Fahrenheit 9/11" attacked for making huge profits out of rebuilding such countries as Afghanistan and Iraq after U.S. military intervention.

Read more: Michael Moore a victim of his own success - seattlepi.com

Michael Moore confronted by progressive filmakers about his lies:
Michael Moore caught lying (Halliburton Stock) - YouTube

Did you say progressive?

Now a new book, "Do As I Say (Not As I Do) -- Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," by the right-wing commentator Peter Schweizer, criticizes Moore for not living up to the high moral standards he claims to espouse. The author, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, went through publicly available IRS documents to discover that Moore's foundation bought shares in some of the companies he has spent a career in the media attacking.

Read more: Michael Moore a victim of his own success - seattlepi.com

jillio · 11-15-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

People who have to label other people have small minds.

No doubt.

**TWA** · 11-15-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveM

501c3 organizations by law must make their records open to the public. His organization Center for Alternative Media was in fact a 501c3.

Are you implying that his nonprofit charitable organization is a source of his personal income?

jillio · 11-15-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Oh but they questions DO have a bearing on the dicussion. We just haven't gotten there yet.

I didn't see the other question....

Yeah, I know. You never get there. You just keep running in circles.

jillio · 11-15-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Are you implying that His nonprofit charitable organization is a source of his personal income?

Sure looks that way.

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jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Fill in the blank: Michael Moore's foundation owned Haliburton stock until_____________. Can any of the finger pointers fill in the blank correctly?