jillio

People with Ausperger's are on the autism spectrum. And they don't all have a "profound lack of empathy". The disorder of Autism manifests a million different ways in a million different people. It is a neurological disorder and emapthy is learned. They have the capacity to develop empathy just as any one does when provided the proper environment. Autism is a developmental disorder, not a mental illness..

A little knowlege is a dangerous thing. Especially when you consistently overestimate how much you know.

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Sunshine

Further off topic - murder in Psycho happen my birthday lol

Jiro

The Aspies you know... are they serial killers?

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jillio

Most serial killers have co-morbid diagnosis. The one thing that most hold in common is a diagnosis of anitsocial personality disorder. People with ASD are extremely manipulative, and see others only in the context of what benefit they can be to the them. They are grandiose, and put their desires and their needs first in all circumstances. They value very little but themselves.

They are also able to portray themselves as whatever the situation calls for. That is why serial killers can continue to kill as long as they do. It is a game for them. And they make their victims believe that they are just an average Joe. No one realizes, until it is too late, that there is something to be very fearful of in these people.

The Green River Killer was the most prolific serial killer this country has ever seen. He was able to keep murdering women from the 1980's into the 2000's. He was a married man, and he took many of his victims to his own home that he shared with his wife of many years. Neighbors did not suspect anything, his wife did not suspect anything, no one in his life suspected anything. It took the police decades to actually see him as a suspect and make an arrest. These are not unintelligent people. They don't walk down the street talking to themselves. They are calculating and they plan their murders and choose their victims right down to the last minute detail. They also have a (very logical to their way of thinking) reason for every single murder they commit. It serves a purpose in their lives. It is killing with the motive of providing something for themselves that is missing or has been denied them in the past.

Take a look at Wayne Williams. On the surface, does he appear to be insane? Does he have a history of hospitalizations for psychotic breaks? He was active in a church, helpful to his neighbors, and very meek looking. He killed over 20 young men in Atlanta.

The reason these people are not considered legally insane is because of the definition of legal insanity, which is knowing the difference between right and wrong. The clinical definition is quite different. Did these 2 men know that what they were doing was wrong. Of course they did. That is why it was so hard to catch them. They cover their tracks extremely well due to all the planning. Did they act in the moment of a psychotic break that prevented them from understanding right from wrong? Of course not. They knew murdering innocent people was wrong. But it served the end that they needed to have served, so they did what they had to do to fulfill that need. Does someone who has a compulsive need that is fulfilled by the murder of innocent victims clinically insane? Yes, they are. People who have such a compulsive need such as this are disordered in their thinking and their feeling. We say that people with OCD have a mental disorder,don't we, when they can't leave the house until they have washed their hand 250 times, and locked and unlocked their door exactly 27 times? They do that to fulfill a need. Their rituals serve a specific need. They relieve the anxiety they experience, and have developed as the result of environment and brain differences. Compulsive murderers are enacting a ritual, the same as the person who washes their hands constantly. It is just a more extreme action.

jillio

Comparing a person with Auspergers to a serial killer is ridiculous.

Serial killers are extremely, extremely rare. Their crimes are just so mind boggling for most that we continue to talk about them years and years after they are dead. That makes it seem, on the surface, that they exist more often than they actually do. For God's sake, we still talk about Jack the Ripper.

And, just so no one gets the wrong impression...being homosexual does not make you a serial killer, lol. I can see someone making that connection next, lol.

Jiro

lol good point.

I felt same for those strongly believed CCW holders are causing more harms to public than criminals

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jillio

I can refer you to a therapist that can help you with your distorted thinking.

Banjo

Yes, he was.

Steinhauer

I have no idea why you are claiming I called Aspergers a mental illness. And why would empathy have to be "learned" if there was no lack of empathy?

The point I was making (which you have not skillfully distorted) was that a lack of empathy does not necessarily a serial killer make.

Steinhauer

I can refer you to an English Professor from your own University that can help with your distorted reading comprehension.

Jiro

that's fine. I'd like to talk to one to find out why 44 states are in agreement with my distorted thinking.

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rolling7

To all ADers:

It took me a lot of time and reading but here is what I have found.

I a nutshell, androgen receptor insensitivity is applied to "a failure of NORMAL masculinization of the external genitalia in chromosomally male individuals."
This has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Once again, jillio is wrong. There is no medically accredited acceptable test to prove a person is born straight, nor is there one to prove a person is born gay/lesbian/bi/trans/etc.

Steinhauer

There have been plenty of female serial killers, so the traits are not gender specific.

Steinhauer

Try telling her that. be prepared for the infantile insults to come out of her like diahrea.

jillio

Then you did a very poor job of making that point. And I have no idea why you felt the need to make it, because no one claimed that a lack of emapthy was the only reason someone became a serial killer.

No one is born with emapthy. It is learned by all. Humans are not born with the ability to show or to feel emapthy. It is a social creation. They learn it. Ausperger's don't fail to show empathy because they don't have the ability. They are disconnected from their immediate social environment, and as a consequence, don't learn emapthy.

Banjo

You are mistaken on that part. Female serial killers are uncommon and they have different goals compared to the male serial killers. It's known that female serial killers kill for material gain, not to fulfill some needs nor to feel in control. Their primary targets are often their spouses, children and seniors. There is one thing they often share in common, which is Münchausen syndrome.

They often target people who are dependents upon them. I believe the most common type of female serial killer is the Black Widow. There's also the Angel of Death. In the USA, there has only been one recorded case of a female serial killer who was a sexual predator who acted alone. Around a third of the female serial killers work as a team with a male partner. For instance, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka.

jillio

You better read some more. Androgen insensitivity is also responsible for masculinization of the brain, and therefore, has a huge impact on attraction. And, if one has a chomosomal male, but female external genitalia, you have a man hormonally that looks like a female. What do we call people who appear to be female that are attracted to other females? Homosexuals. There you go. Biological involvement.

What is a transexual? Someone who has a body that appears to be one sex but hormonally is another sex. There you go. Biological involvement.

Do you ever think anything all the way through or do you always stop when you think you have found an answer to something you obviously have no understanding of?

jillio

Funny coming from someone that has been shown, in black and white, to make so many mistakes in what they read.

jillio

I'll look one up in your area.

jillio

Exactly. Female serial killers are extremely, extremely rare. In fact, women who commit violent acts such as murder are way down in the minority ranks when compared to men who do.

You know your stuff on this topic. I am impressed.

Banjo

Thank you, I took social deviance back in college. Since then, I have held a big interest in true crime and such. The Paul and Karla case struck close to home though since it took place in my city.

jillio

I am afraid that you don't know what you are talking about again. No one has claimed that traits are gender specific innately. However, gender plays a huge role on how those traits manifest.

jillio

I knew it was Canada, but I didn't realize it was in your city.

Yes, if more people took an interest in these things, we could find the sociologically and psychologically based reasons for this behavior and do so much more to prevent another occurrance. But sadly, we address the problem from the ass end.

Steinhauer

You probably have never heard of Aileen Wuornos. Or Rebecca Turner.

http://www.glennsacks.com/domestic_violence_a_2.htm

Far more men are caught and arrested for it than women. But, actual statistics show that in DV cases, 40% of murders are committed by women.

Steinhauer

I am afraid you are putting words in my mouth again in hopes of gaining some sort of invisible advantage in a debate we are not having.

deafskeptic

Aspergers? WTF? I said nothing of the sort. If I'm not mistaken, they are unable to understand other people's body language. That does not mean they are without empathy.

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deafskeptic

The only females who can fit the bill would be Countess Bathroy and that was centuries ago and Alieen Wurnos.

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John List hit close to my home as he was captured in Richmond Va.

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Steinhauer

Yep .... like diahrea with wings ....

I am guessing Jamie Lee Curtis didn't get a "choice" in the matter of "her" gender .... there you go. But yeah, that is debateable ...

Banjo

I've heard of her, they even made a movie about her. She was a very publicized serial killer. She is an exception though, she killed strangers with a gun. She did it for personal gratification. She had a rough childhood since her father was a sociopath and child molester. She was a woman on a mission and felt that her actions were justified even though they weren't.

Female serial killers often use different methods other than guns. For instance, poisoning is one of the most common methods they use to kill people. They are more likely to kill people they have developed a personal relationship with, not total strangers.

Are you familiar with the famous serial killer, Elizabeth Báthory?