Reba

What does PTSD have to do with supposed indoctrination? Those are two separate things. One can suffer PTSD without being exposed to indoctrination, and another can be exposed to indoctrination without any PTSD resulting.

I've never said they are lying in order to get free meds. That's something you just now made up.

You are really getting it all jumbled up.

The Commander in Chief sets the policies, and has the ultimate responsibility for the troops. He doesn't have to be on the front lines but he sure better know what's going on there.

The senior officers and chaplains (who are also officers) that Beowulf referred to are directly commissioned by the President.

Deafness

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jillio

You haven't noticed the connection between the military dead the Westboro Baptist Church are protesting and their ranting against "faggots"?

jillio

What does PTSD have to do with indoctination? I can't believe you even asked that quesiton.


What, he has a nanny cam set up?

Reba

Yes, I know what they rant, and I'm totally opposed to it. I'm opposed to their message and their protests.

Reba

Why? Because I called you on it?


I guess in your viewpoint he's not very effective as a Commander in Chief.

Sunshine

I think she say he CAN'T know what go on front lines because he not there.

Reba

He doesn't have to be physically present in order to know what's going on.

Banjo

No, I didn't misread. I just don't agree with you. If they were created perfect... how come did they end up being imperfect? If they were perfect in the first place, how did they cave in to their temptations? Therefore, they were not perfect to start with.

Sunshine

My brother tell me about front line. Not same me know for self. I never claim KNOW what go on there.

kokonut

I remember you covered that several times in other AD threads over the years on the Phelps family (IMHO they're mentally unstable), their church, and about the PTSD (God bless them). You were pretty clear on your feelings about them and their church. Funny how some people continue to forget that.... repeatedly.

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

Sunshine

Some people not be here years.

TXgolfer

Interesting because she is the same person that paraded around here for days claiming "Obama killed Osama"

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kokonut

They were given free will. A choice was made.

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

Sunshine

Therefore imperfect. Simple.

kokonut

Imperfect would be to make them essentially as "robots" and not give them the ability to choose.

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

Banjo

If one is given free will, then they were never perfect to start with. It's an oxymoron.

Sunshine

You just define your God as robot.

kokonut

A baby born is perfect in every way in the eyes of parents.

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kokonut

No. You misunderstand, again.

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

Sunshine

Not all babies. My nephew born dead 8 minutes, that not perfect. Not even my sister tell you that. And perfect not perfect if perfection need be qualified.

ok explain then. You just say perfect tantamount robot. If God perfect, then by your logic, God robotic.

kokonut

Even to parents who lost their baby sees her/him as perfect.

You're not making sense. Creating a person that is able to think and make their own decision is better than to create a person who is not allowed to think and make their own decisions. One is given the gift of free will which is not an example of a "robot." While the other is an example of a "robot," unable to think and make choices of their own because they have no free will to begin with.

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

TWA

Does god have free will?

DeafCaroline

Jesus was not born on Christmas day. In fact, many speculated he was born in the springtime.

When Christianity first started spreading throughout the Roman empire, it was somewhat blended with local pagan celebrations, such as the annual pagan winter festivals and feasts (tied in with winter breaks from agriculture, just like students' summer vacations were tied in with peak of agriculture season). December 25th would be just after the winter solstice happened - winter festivals were also tied in with solstices - the Winter Solstice would be December 21st.

Easter was named after a German pagan goddess of Spring - Esther. This is another example of combining local pagan customs with Christianity.

The bible itself makes zero references to celebrating Jesus' birthday.

kokonut

I think the concept of freewill is entirely a different concept for humans to that of God. We are constrained in our human bodies, God is not.

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kokonut

Incorrect. Matthew 2:1-12. To worship the birth of Christ is to celebrate.

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

Cheetah

God is very much limited by his creator. God prays every day for salvation, but at last, it was not to be. God is stuck with us pitiful humans.

Poor God, he gave us free will now cannot stop us from being bad all the time. Phoo, if only God's creator had made him omnipotent.

TWA

How do you know if it's any different for God? Where does the Bible talk about this?

That we are constrained to our bodies (this is debatable, according to some mystics) has nothing to do with free will.

Sunshine

See something as perfect not mean is perfect. This call subjectivity. Is inherent in parent-child relationship. Parent might view baby perfect, baby most assuredly not so.

Cheetah

Sunny, you make a really good point!

A few years ago a really good friend of mine had a baby and I nearly jumped out of my socks the first time I saw the baby. He was the ugliest baby I have ever seen. But, the first thing I signed to him was "Awww, he is so cute". The parents were beaming there was no way I was going to to say "ugly baby". heck no way!

As the baby grew, he always looked angry. Now he seems to be starting to fill in a bit better and just looks confused. He still has a ways to go, I'm secretly hoping his face changes a little more and he gets to an intellectual look. He is still young, so we will see.

Banjo

Reminds me of an episode of Seinfeld...