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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:35 PM   #661 (permalink)
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I've seen atheists put down other atheists, too.

Elaborate. Naisho offered examples. Let's see yours. Or are you just typing empty words again?
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:37 PM   #662 (permalink)
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You misread.

I didn't say they were being perfect. I said they were created perfect.

They started out with flawless bodies and brains, innocent spirits, and nothing bad in their backgrounds.

In our present flawed bodies, souls, and spirits we are NOT capable of being perfect because we were born imperfect.
If they were created perfect, then they would have remained perfect.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:37 PM   #663 (permalink)
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Yeah. Over 40 years ago.
Yep, and still funny today.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:39 PM   #664 (permalink)
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Are you accusing American officers of ordering cold blooded murders in Iraq? Certainly that wouldn't be part of the Obama administration's policy.
I'm stating that officers demonize and dehumanize. It is a practice that is engaged in in every war.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:40 PM   #665 (permalink)
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Actually, no. Each person is alone, in the dark, in Hell. There is no fellowship there.
Now how could you possible know that? Someone come back and tell you?
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:41 PM   #666 (permalink)
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I wonder why the idea that we simply cease to exist is so troubling to humans? I'm not saying that's what happens. It's a distinct possibility.
Narcissism and overblown self importance.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:42 PM   #667 (permalink)
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Now how could you possible know that? Someone come back and tell you?
I bet I can guess...Bible say so!
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:44 PM   #668 (permalink)
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I'm accusing officers of demonizing and dehumanizing. It is a practice that is engaged in in every war.
People do this to an extent in cars as well, it leads to road rage sometimes. It's a way of seeing yourself as having more worth than another thus allowing yourself to be superior to another. I've seem my parents come close to doing this a couple of times (not in the car, with religion). That's when I speak up in support of the person they are... looking down on. My Dad doesn't see it, but my Mother knows and she always says how proud she is of me after I do that. Parents are funny.
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The Scewtape Letters addresses this problem. It's been so long since I read it, I would have to reread it to describe what it said.
I don't think I ever read it. I should read them.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:47 PM   #670 (permalink)
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Yeah, but the difference is they've got nothing to lose, it is just individual opinion and not from group fundamentalism.

It's not on the same level as Christian ideology vs another Christian's ideology. Who is the more correct Christian? Well, no one can refute that for sure because each group understands the teachings differently.
I had one atheist put me down because I celebrate holidays with religious history like Christmas. I don't go to church but holidays are a great way to get together with family and friends.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:51 PM   #671 (permalink)
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(Matthew 10:14)
Be sure to sweep that dust up when you're done. God thinks slovenly behavior is abominable.
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I had one atheist put me down because I celebrate holidays with religious history like Christmas. I don't go to church but holidays are a great way to get together with family and friends.
You can celebrate the secular aspects of any holiday.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:55 PM   #673 (permalink)
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You can celebrate the secular aspects of any holiday.
I'm not Jewish, but I do celebrate several Jewish holidays with my friends.
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I'm not Jewish, but I do celebrate several Jewish holidays with my friends.
Nothing wrong with that.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 10:15 PM   #675 (permalink)
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You do realize that those people are basically one inbred family? I would hardly call that any kind of a movement.

They've protested here in the Lowcountry several times, and they get no support from this community.

For the record, TCS and I actively work against the Westboro protests. We are active members of the Patriot Guard Riders, and we attend military funerals, memorials, flights that bring in the remains of our fallen heroes, military send offs and returns, Honor Flights, Wounded Warrior events, etc. We stand in Flag lines, and ride as escorts, to honor our fallen heroes, and to shield the mourners.
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You do realize that those people are basically one inbred family? I would hardly call that any kind of a movement.

They've protested here in the Lowcountry several times, and they get no support from this community.

For the record, TCS and I actively work against the Westboro protests. We are active members of the Patriot Guard Riders, and we attend military funerals, memorials, flights that bring in the remains of our fallen heroes, military send offs and returns, Honor Flights, Wounded Warrior events, etc. We stand in Flag lines, and ride as escorts, to honor our fallen heroes, and to shield the mourners.
Do you also support gays?
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I was just come ask same question, jillio!
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Unread 11-21-2011, 10:30 PM   #678 (permalink)
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I'm stating that officers demonize and dehumanize. It is a practice that is engaged in in every war.
The armed services are also charging, prosecuting and convicting those who participate in murders, atrocities, and other wartime offenses.

TCS and I were discussing this. He said that even during the Vietnam era, his senior officers (including former POWs) never held GMT's or assemblies where they tried to demonize or dehumanize the enemy. He never heard any such stories from shipmates, either.

Those who did commit atrocities were often people who were acting out their own psychological problems, personality defects and prejudices.
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Do you also support gays?
That's a broad question. Are you asking about me personally, or about the PGR? Support them in what way?
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You personally, Miss I march for troops...you support their basic rights same all other people?
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The armed services are also charging, prosecuting and convicting those who participate in murders, atrocities, and other wartime offenses.
TCS and I were discussing this. He said that even during the Vietnam era, his senior officers (including former POWs) never held GMT's or assemblies where they tried to demonize or dehumanize the enemy. He never heard any such stories from shipmates, either.

Those who did commit atrocities were often people who were acting out their own psychological problems, personality defects and prejudices.
Yeah, teach them to do it, and then prosecute them. Nice.
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That's a broad question. Are you asking about me personally, or about the PGR? Support them in what way?

No broader than your claim to support the armed services.

I'm asking about you personally. Some of those soldiers you are supporting are no doubt gay.
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No broader than your claim to support the armed services.

I'm asking about you personally. Some of those soldiers you are supporting are no doubt gay.
My brother My just return Afghanistan soon get married very gay brother.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 11:06 PM   #684 (permalink)
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You personally, Miss I march for troops...you support their basic rights same all other people?
Is there some reason why you have to be rude when asking a question?

Is there any reason I should reply to your rudeness?

I absolutely do not support the message or actions of the Westboro "church."

I don't support and bullying, name calling, assaulting, or threatening of homosexual people.

I don't know what you consider basic rights, so you'll have to be more specific in how you phrase your questions, and less rude in how you introduce them.
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Same rights you think straight people should have. Rude or otherwise.
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Yeah, teach them to do it, and then prosecute them. Nice.
I guess you didn't pay attention when I said that they don't normally teach them that.

If they did, why didn't those charged with crimes use that in their defense actions?

Besides, how could that be going on under our most ethical Commander in Chief ever?
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I guess you didn't pay attention when I said that they don't normally teach them that.

If they did, why didn't those charged with crimes use that in their defense actions?

Besides, how could that be going on under our most ethical Commander in Chief ever?
Sure they don't Reba. All those returning war vets with PTSD are just lying about it all in order to get free psych meds.

Last I checked, he wasn't on the front lines.
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Same rights you think straight people should have. Rude or otherwise.
If by basic rights you mean those civil rights enumerated and guaranteed to us by the U.S. Constitution, then I support that. I support and defend the Constitution.

But what does that have to do with the Westboro protests against our military dead?
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If by basic rights you mean those civil rights enumerated and guaranteed to us by the U.S. Constitution, then I support that. I support and defend the Constitution.

But what does that have to do with the Westboro protests against our military dead?
Not know US Constitution.

Just think is weird where some people draw lines is all. Won't call gay person faggot but will call them subhuman by not allow marry. Arbitrary. Wrong. Sad.
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