The Origins of Homosexuality - Page 21

**Cheetah** · 11-21-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And yet, they try to use faith as an argument against logic and science. Go figure.

Apparently my parents think I am going to hell because I do not go to church every Sunday. Sigh. This is why when they talk religion, I and most the rest of the family start walking out of the room. I wonder how long until the notice???

**Banjo** · 11-21-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

Apparently my parents think I am going to hell because I do not go to church every Sunday. Sigh. This is why when they talk religion, I and most the rest of the family start walking out of the room. I wonder how long until the notice???

Then both of us are going to burn in the lake of fire! Poor us!

jillio · 11-21-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Then both of us are going to burn in the lake of fire! Poor us!

We'll have a lot of company there, including God's "chosen people".

**Banjo** · 11-21-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

We'll have a lot of company there.

Make sure to bring some fire extinguishers with you.

**Cheetah** · 11-21-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Then both of us are going to burn in the lake of fire! Poor us!

There is a lake of Fire??? Oh, good Lord! (oops! I'm going straight to Hell for that one!)

**sallylou** · 11-21-2011, 05:43 PM

If our ideas about god never evolved, we'd be building temples for Zeus and Athena right now.

**deafskeptic** · 11-21-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

If our ideas about god never evolved, we'd be building temples for Zeus and Athena right now.

I don't think that'd go over well with the Greeks.

Journey · 11-21-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

Ummm, many stories in the bible are not intended to be read as literal. Having said that, some religions do take everything in the bible literally.

Besides, you cannot argue logic with faith. They are two different things. One would think that logic would always apply, but after a number of conversations with my own parents I realize that logic goes out the window so I gave up discussing religion with them.

And isn't that the beauty of faith (not hope or want but real faith) - it so often defies logic yet it is exactly what gets so many people through difficult or trying times.

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

By the chaplains and commanders.

That certainly sounds like these officers are stepping way out of bounds.

Are they saying that to all Iraq veterans or just your friends? I confess, this is the first I've heard of it. It certainly should be newsworthy.

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Actually, he did make two mistakes. He made Adam and Eve. If they were perfect, then how did they give in to their temptations?

How can a human being with free will be capable of being perfect?

It's an oxymoron.

You misread.

I didn't say they were being perfect. I said they were created perfect.

They started out with flawless bodies and brains, innocent spirits, and nothing bad in their backgrounds.

In our present flawed bodies, souls, and spirits we are NOT capable of being perfect because we were born imperfect.

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Flip Wilson made a career out of the line.

Yeah. Over 40 years ago.

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Although Jerry Falwell is dead, I still see signs of the RR movement in Lynchburg, VA. When we had the elections in the last few years, RR came out in droves in Lynchburg.

What would those "signs" be?

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Many of the nursing students that I see when I'm in the hospital are from Liberty University.

Point?

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Thought as much.

Why?

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Exactly. Demonizing them dehumanizes them and makes it much easier to commit cold blooded murder. Mei Lai massacre, anyone?

Are you accusing American officers of ordering cold blooded murders in Iraq? Certainly that wouldn't be part of the Obama administration's policy.

dogmom · 11-21-2011, 06:46 PM

I do.

has nothing to do with the policy. Policy is one thing, what actually happens in war is another.

saying that our soldiers are not perfect and do commit atrocities during war is not a slight against them, just the reality of it.

anyway....

sigh....suppose I'll end up joining Jillio and Banjo in that lake - who's gonna bring the marshmallows??
oh, and is it skinny dipping?

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

No doubt Reba doesn't believe me, nor my friends. I know them pretty well, and I do not think they all are lying. I just wish you could see them as they tell their stories. You would know they speak the truth.

Anyway, I am getting out of this thread before I cause more hurt feelings.

I didn't say that they were lying. I would like to know how widespread, in time and by numbers involved, this problem is, and if anything is being done about it.

It's so hard to determine what's going on with so little information.

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dogmom

I do.

has nothing to do with the policy. Policy is one thing, what actually happens in war is another.

Yes, policy is important. Policy influences who gets away with breaking the rules. If this is a top-down policy of indoctrination, it's a serious violation and should be routed out.

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saying that our soldiers are not perfect and do commit atrocities during war is not a slight against them, just the reality of it.

It's not a slight against those who are proved to be guilty. It is a slight to paint them all with the broad brush of guilt.

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

Apparently my parents think I am going to hell because I do not go to church every Sunday. Sigh. This is why when they talk religion, I and most the rest of the family start walking out of the room. I wonder how long until the notice???

Going to Heaven or Hell has nothing to do with the frequency of church attendance.

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Then both of us are going to burn in the lake of fire! Poor us!

I hope for your sakes that doesn't happen.

An eternity of burning pain without relief, alone, in the dark, is nothing to joke about.

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

We'll have a lot of company there, including God's "chosen people".

Actually, no. Each person is alone, in the dark, in Hell. There is no fellowship there.

dogmom · 11-21-2011, 06:58 PM

didn't say it wasn't important - said sometimes, what is policy and what actually happens are two different things. Most things are not "black and white".

nor did I specify all soldiers - I wrote "our soldiers" which infers a general idea that soldiers historically have and do commit crimes in war, sometimes against other soldiers "on the same side" <specifically I'm thinking of sexual assault and rape that has been reported by current female vets>

lots of gray areas, really - no illusion of glorious patriotism

**Cheetah** · 11-21-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Going to Heaven or Hell has nothing to do with the frequency of church attendance.

Please tell my parents!!! I'm tired of listening to their lectures about this topic.

dogmom · 11-21-2011, 07:00 PM

since I don't own any Christian concepts, nor do I want to, guess I will continue thinking of lake fellowship in the Fire Pit....

**Cheetah** · 11-21-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Actually, no. Each person is alone, in the dark, in Hell. There is no fellowship there.

Ok, this one is news to me. Maybe don't talk to my parents... they already have enough ideas...

dogmom · 11-21-2011, 07:02 PM

Cheetah, you're welcome to join us in the hot tub....

DeafCaroline · 11-21-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Actually, no. Each person is alone, in the dark, in Hell. There is no fellowship there.

I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the dichotomy of you expecting others to prove or back up their statements with references and facts and specifics then in the same post or the next, you talk about Hell and burning lakes of eternity where it's always dark and one is always alone, as if it exists, even though no one has been able to prove whatsoever that there is any life at all after death, scientifically and factually.

**Cheetah** · 11-21-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dogmom

Cheetah, you're welcome to join us in the hot tub....

Here I come!!! *Splash* Oops, sorry... let me refresh your drink.

**sallylou** · 11-21-2011, 07:12 PM

I wonder why the idea that we simply cease to exist is so troubling to humans? I'm not saying that's what happens. It's a distinct possibility.

**Reba** · 11-21-2011, 07:13 PM

(Matthew 10:14)

**Cheetah** · 11-21-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

I wonder why the idea that we simply cease to exist is so troubling to humans? I'm not saying that's what happens. It's a distinct possibility.

It's scary to think that way. It's more comforting to think that your loved ones are watching over you. Although in some cases I would be more concerned with some of my relatives watching over me. But, it's also believed that the deceased will be given a new (perfect) body and will spend eternity praising God. As to what I believe? I am content to let happen what happens. I am secure in my belief in God and that is enough for me.

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dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,469	didn't say it wasn't important - said sometimes, what is policy and what actually happens are two different things. Most things are not "black and white". nor did I specify all soldiers - I wrote "our soldiers" which infers a general idea that soldiers historically have and do commit crimes in war, sometimes against other soldiers "on the same side" <specifically I'm thinking of sexual assault and rape that has been reported by current female vets> lots of gray areas, really - no illusion of glorious patriotism jillio and deafskeptic like this.

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dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,469	since I don't own any Christian concepts, nor do I want to, guess I will continue thinking of lake fellowship in the Fire Pit.... jillio likes this.

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dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,469	I do. has nothing to do with the policy. Policy is one thing, what actually happens in war is another. saying that our soldiers are not perfect and do commit atrocities during war is not a slight against them, just the reality of it. anyway.... sigh....suppose I'll end up joining Jillio and Banjo in that lake - who's gonna bring the marshmallows?? oh, and is it skinny dipping?

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