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Unread 11-20-2011, 05:58 PM   #511 (permalink)
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My guess is that it's a lot like a taboo and considered a great and grievous offense to God or the local deity. It's like a blasphemy in God's eyes.
Actually, all it meant was that it was contrary to the social norms of the day.
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Unread 11-20-2011, 06:12 PM   #512 (permalink)
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Actually, all it meant was that it was contrary to the social norms of the day.
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Blasphemy of the holy spirit is the only unforgivable sin. Whatever that is? Theology is not my thing.

Reba, I don't know all of the "proper" terms for the religous context. It seems highly specialized, like the military. I've not been to a house of worship yet that doesn't want new members and their money. Dang, my own denomination was offering free facials to deaf women to get them to come to church. Weird!
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Unread 11-21-2011, 12:47 AM   #514 (permalink)
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But, you just said it was used to quality God's commandments in the Old Testament.
I don't understand what you're saying. I didn't say anything about "quality God's commandments." Are you asking a question?
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Did a Christian tell you they were specific to the Jews?
I've read it in the Bible, and I've heard it from several sources, including other Christians.

The introduction to Leviticus 19:

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.
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I've read it in the Bible, and I've heard it from several sources, including other Christians.

The introduction to Leviticus 19:

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.
Oh, yeah. Leave it to other Christians to decide that the commandments were just for the Jews because they don't want to have to follow everything God calls an "abomination".

So, God didn't intend to be holy for Christians?
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I don't understand what you're saying. I didn't say anything about "quality God's commandments." Are you asking a question?
Typo. Qualify.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 01:24 AM   #518 (permalink)
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According to whom? Doesn't God's law carry over from the Old to the New Testament? I mean, I don't see any retractions in the New Testament.
Jesus said, " 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. (Matthew 5)



Jesus didn't retract God's Law. He fulfilled it.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 01:32 AM   #519 (permalink)
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Kind of amusing sort of way. One has knowledge of the Book while the other pretends. I'm still learning.
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Oh, yeah. Leave it to other Christians to decide that the commandments were just for the Jews because they don't want to have to follow everything God calls an "abomination".

So, God didn't intend to be holy for Christians?
Did you overlook this?

"...the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel..."


God gave those commandments to His chosen people, the Jews, to keep them separate from and protected from the heathen people of their world. There were no Christians then, and they were not included in God's chosen tribes.

God has been, is, and will be holy. God's holiness isn't dependent on any people.
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He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. – Exodus 22:20
The Bible promotes killing people who don't worship the Christian God.

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Happy shall he be, that takes and dashes your little ones against the stones. –
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The Bible promotes bashing the babies against the rocks.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 01:57 AM   #523 (permalink)
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Oh, just go forth and multiply.

"Thou shall not kill" is quite the irony out of all commandments considering the fact that God killed many, many lives and ordered people to kill millions too as well.
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Blasphemy of the holy spirit is the only unforgivable sin. Whatever that is? Theology is not my thing.
The Holy Spirit convicts the lost sinner of his sin, strives with the sinner over his need for forgiveness and salvation, and works to convince the sinner of his need to trust Jesus Christ as Savior. If the sinner constantly resists the conviction of the Holy Spirit and refuses salvation, then that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. That is the only sin that is unforgivable because it's the only sin that prevents the forgiveness of all other sins.

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Reba, I don't know all of the "proper" terms for the religous context.
I understand. I didn't either before I became a Christian. I trusted in Jesus Christ before I knew terminology like "saved" or "born again" or "regenerated." I had never been a regular church attender, and my family taught me nothing.

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... I've not been to a house of worship yet that doesn't want new members and their money.
Well, our church is always glad to welcome new members, of course. Most Christians want to financially support their church, its staff, outreach ministries, and missionaries. We also welcome unemployed members who have no income from which to give (and whom we help). We also have ministries that can't support themselves at all, so we take on their expenses also.

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Dang, my own denomination was offering free facials to deaf women to get them to come to church. Weird!
That certainly is different. I've never heard of that before.
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The Bible promotes killing people who don't worship the Christian God.
The God of Israel had to protect His people from the idol worshipping neighboring tribes and their influence. Idol worship and sacrifice was a terrible recurrent problem for the Jews of that time.

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The Bible promotes bashing the babies against the rocks.
Not at all. The psalmist is writing about how his heart feels after experiencing the effects of Babylonian atrocities. As a human, he wants revenge. The psalm does not say that God approves of that sentiment but it does show that God allows one in pain to express his deepest feelings.
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Oh, just go forth and multiply.

"Thou shall not kill" is quite the irony out of all commandments considering the fact that God killed many, many lives and ordered people to kill millions too as well.
"Thou shalt not kill" is the commandment against individuals committing murder.

There were times when God had to kill the evil influences in order to protect the future of His people.
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Did you overlook this?

"...the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel..."


God gave those commandments to His chosen people, the Jews, to keep them separate from and protected from the heathen people of their world. There were no Christians then, and they were not included in God's chosen tribes.

God has been, is, and will be holy. God's holiness isn't dependent on any people.
This is confusing to me. It sounds like God gave laws to "His chosen people", which were the Jews, since there were no Christians at the time. Then.... Jesus came, thus Christianity was born. Since "Jesus didn't retract God's Law. He fulfilled it." (your words), how is it possible that only SOME of the laws for the Jews are applicable to the Christians? Were the laws reiterated again in the New Testament to show which laws are applicable for the Christians?
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Thank you, Reba, for putting everything into the proper context rather than let misunderstanding be the guiding principle here.
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Jesus said, " 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. (Matthew 5)



Jesus didn't retract God's Law. He fulfilled it.
Then the New Testament cannot contradict the Old Testament. Yet, by your own admission, the New Testament does contradict the Old Testament.
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This is confusing to me. It sounds like God gave laws to "His chosen people", which were the Jews, since there were no Christians at the time. Then.... Jesus came, thus Christianity was born. Since "Jesus didn't retract God's Law. He fulfilled it." (your words), how is it possible that only SOME of the laws for the Jews are applicable to the Christians? Were the laws reiterated again in the New Testament to show which laws are applicable for the Christians?
Exactly.
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Kind of amusing sort of way. One has knowledge of the Book while the other pretends. I'm still learning.
Yep, it's pretty obvious that knowledge is lacking when one only believes what one tells them the Bible says unquestioningly.
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The God of Israel had to protect His people from the idol worshipping neighboring tribes and their influence. Idol worship and sacrifice was a terrible recurrent problem for the Jews of that time.


Not at all. The psalmist is writing about how his heart feels after experiencing the effects of Babylonian atrocities. As a human, he wants revenge. The psalm does not say that God approves of that sentiment but it does show that God allows one in pain to express his deepest feelings.
So God says that it is perfectly okay to kill those who don't follow the same religion. Nice.
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So God says that it is perfectly okay to kill those who don't follow the same religion. Nice.
I notice that only my "Christian" friends think that way. Scary.
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So God says that it is perfectly okay to kill those who don't follow the same religion. Nice.
Yes, she just basically confirmed what I quoted. Some people sure know how to beat around the bush yet convey the same message as the quotes.
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Basically the scripture about the killing of non/un/incorrect-believers refers to the context of idolatry in the Bible. There is a thin line that God draws between those who have belief in him, and those who don't and preach the wrong diety. There are a lot of verses in this regard about preaching to the "wrong entity". It is heavily looked down upon and not accepted by God.

Revelations in the NT emphasizes on the judgement of incorrect followers, greatly, by referring to someone who appears to be an anti-Christ that emerges in the new age (that we are currently living in). The NT conveys that people will speak before they think, and there will be those who follow the false figure/prophet. On what appears to be Judgement day, each and every of these followers of the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire and endure their punishments for a long time.

Different sects of religion interpret the meaning in their own ways. You may notice that some people/churches have the jewelery, crosses, and paintings. Some do not have paintings, but have the holy cross or wear jewelery. Some choose not use any religious symbol at all.
Because, these are all created in an artist's best impression, to which might not symbolize the real thing depending on how the sect views it.

Just a little insight. I'm not advocating one or the other for anyone, just clearing the message so that it is understood.
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Basically the scripture about the killing of non/un/incorrect-believers refers to the context of idolatry in the Bible. There is a thin line that God draws between those who have belief in him, and those who don't and preach the wrong diety. There are a lot of verses in this regard about preaching to the "wrong entity". It is heavily looked down upon and not accepted by God.

Revelations in the NT emphasizes on the judgement of incorrect followers, greatly, by referring to someone who appears to be an anti-Christ that emerges in the new age (that we are currently living in). The NT conveys that people will speak before they think, and there will be those who follow the false figure/prophet. On what appears to be Judgement day, each and every of these followers of the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire and endure their punishments for a long time.

Different sects of religion interpret the meaning in their own ways. You may notice that some people/churches have the jewelery, crosses, and paintings. Some do not have paintings, but have the holy cross or wear jewelery. Some choose not use any religious symbol at all.
Because, these are all created in an artist's best impression, to which might not symbolize the real thing depending on how the sect views it.

Just a little insight. I'm not advocating one or the other for anyone, just clearing the message so that it is understood.
That's just one person's opinion. Yours.
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That's just one person's opinion. Yours.
Sorry, I'll remember to write that it's my interpretation of it next time.
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Sorry, I'll remember to write that it's my interpretation of it next time.
Too late. I cannot hear you over the sounds of the lake of fire.
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Then the New Testament cannot contradict the Old Testament. Yet, by your own admission, the New Testament does contradict the Old Testament.
No, I didn't say the NT contradicts the OT.

Nothing in the NT denies the OT. The NT completes the OT.

The OT Law, which Jesus Himself followed during His life on earth, was not destroyed by Jesus. It was fulfilled by Jesus.

For example, all the rituals relating to the various sacrifices of the OT were temporary practices until the final sacrifice was made by Jesus Christ. Since Jesus made the one-time final sacrifice, no other sacrifices are necessary.
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