Are Drug Users Persecuted?

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Supposedly, addicts have a genetic predispostion. Isnt that similar how being gay is genetic or born that way? People dont choose to have urges or cravings.

It wasnt long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Currently illegal drug use is considered the mental illness of addiction. Yet costly treatment programs have limited sucess if any. Even with longterm sobriety, the drug cravings never completely go away. For many, relapse is only a matter of time.

The drug user deals with jail, disease risks, discrimination, violence, artifically costly adulturated drugs. Things that are exaggerated by war on drugs. :hmm:
 
:hmm:...you do have a few valid points there....I feel drug addiction is a disease, as far as being born that way (a drug addict), I'm not too sure about that.
I do feel a drug addict's offspring(s) are more prone to be or become addicted..same as for alcoholism.

Seeing a newborn baby in ICU at the hospital, undergoing the throes of crack addiction, due to the mother's usage, is a horrific sight. They are slowly weened off the drug. I do feel the baby, would/could have some brain damage later in life. Some babies are born with severe jaundice, which in some cases have been attributed to the mother's addition to drugs, even children, at an early age, (2-3-4-5 years old), can still have some affects of their mother's drug addiction.....(saw that 1st hand) in a child age 3....
 
I had know a lot of people that smoked pot and they lead they a very sane lives .Using drugs and being mentally ill is not the same. There people that are mentally ill that use drugs and that can be a deadly combination . People do get addicted to drugs but I would call it being mentally ill !
 
:hmm:...you do have a few valid points there....I feel drug addiction is a disease, as far as being born that way (a drug addict), I'm not too sure about that.
I do feel a drug addict's offspring(s) are more prone to be or become addicted..same as for alcoholism.

Seeing a newborn baby in ICU at the hospital, undergoing the throes of crack addiction, due to the mother's usage, is a horrific sight. They are slowly weened off the drug. I do feel the baby, would/could have some brain damage later in life. Some babies are born with severe jaundice, which in some cases have been attributed to the mother's addition to drugs, even children, at an early age, (2-3-4-5 years old), can still have some affects of their mother's drug addiction.....(saw that 1st hand) in a child age 3....

Why are you not sure? If you use logic, you will see it is a true statement.
 
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Some people who are predisposed to addiction -choose- to use drugs then become addicted... At that point they choose to do something illegal - Use Drugs-

Some people who are attracted to the same sex, choose not to pursue same sex relations... At this point they are choosing to deny themselves, possibly if they go this far hurting their different sex spouse and offspring created in the false relationship... These people are not choosing to do something illegal, perhaps immoral... (lying to spouse in this hypothetical example)
 
Why are you not sure? If you use logic, you will see it is a true statement.

Please clarify more for me, Beo....I've known many parents who have no addictions, nor their families before them, have children, and the children become addicts. How could they "be born that way"?...

Even my adopted boys were born of drug addicts/alcoholics, and the middle boy suffered a lot of problems at age 3-4, (hospitalization...thinking "bugs" were crawling on him).....and is labeled as "slow"...is fine now...the oldest suffered from from alcoholism syndrome..(anger/explosive episodes)....the youngest from birth (jaundice and detachment/emotionally shattered)....

I know my boys are prone to repeating the same mistakes their natural parents did. That is why all 3 have had and still have drug counseling...no alcohol/drugs in the home and not allowed to be around friends that do drugs/alcohol....Now at ages 20, 17 and 15, they are doing fine....but still a long way to go.

My way of thinking is kids are not born that way....they are a product of their environment.
 
Some people are genetically more likely to develop an addiction.
They are not born with an addiction unless mommy done the drug constantly through pregnancy and thus baby was affected.

Having the genetic factor does not make you an addict, it just makes it more easy for you to become addicted.

Like gamers and drug users.
Some choose games
Some choose drugs
Some choose sex
Some choose gambling
Some choose chocolate

The genetic link is identical and you do not need the genetic link to become addicted, also those who have the genetics do not necessarily become addicted.

When comparing genetics and environment and the outcomes of people it is usually the environment that wins over genetics when it comes to addictions.
 
Some people are genetically more likely to develop an addiction.
They are not born with an addiction unless mommy done the drug constantly through pregnancy and thus baby was affected.

Having the genetic factor does not make you an addict, it just makes it more easy for you to become addicted.

Like gamers and drug users.
Some choose games
Some choose drugs
Some choose sex
Some choose gambling
Some choose chocolate

The genetic link is identical and you do not need the genetic link to become addicted, also those who have the genetics do not necessarily become addicted.

When comparing genetics and environment and the outcomes of people it is usually the environment that wins over genetics when it comes to addictions.

I have to agree with that.
 
Supposedly, addicts have a genetic predispostion. Isnt that similar how being gay is genetic or born that way? People dont choose to have urges or cravings.

It wasnt long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Currently illegal drug use is considered the mental illness of addiction. Yet costly treatment programs have limited sucess if any. Even with longterm sobriety, the drug cravings never completely go away. For many, relapse is only a matter of time.

The drug user deals with jail, disease risks, discrimination, violence, artifically costly adulturated drugs. Things that are exaggerated by war on drugs. :hmm:

WHAT.THE.FUCK?!?!?! Corralating homosexuality with DRUG ABUSERS?!?!?!
I'm sorry that's screwed up. Besides, according to current rehab theory the drug abusers are using to deal with dysfunctionality in their lives. Once they learn to live life sober, they will no longer be active addicts...They will still be addicts yes.....but no longer active addicts....and yes there is a subtype of gay males who are basicly sex addicts and who have severe dysfunctionaity in their lives.....but there are straight people like that too!
 
Please clarify more for me, Beo....I've known many parents who have no addictions, nor their families before them, have children, and the children become addicts. How could they "be born that way"?...

Even my adopted boys were born of drug addicts/alcoholics, and the middle boy suffered a lot of problems at age 3-4, (hospitalization...thinking "bugs" were crawling on him).....and is labeled as "slow"...is fine now...the oldest suffered from from alcoholism syndrome..(anger/explosive episodes)....the youngest from birth (jaundice and detachment/emotionally shattered)....

I know my boys are prone to repeating the same mistakes their natural parents did. That is why all 3 have had and still have drug counseling...no alcohol/drugs in the home and not allowed to be around friends that do drugs/alcohol....Now at ages 20, 17 and 15, they are doing fine....but still a long way to go.

My way of thinking is kids are not born that way....they are a product of their environment.

I come from the same environment as my brother who has a severe drinking problem. Another member of my family goes thru 750ml of whiskey every week and I think that's not all he's drinking.

I have reason to believe that I have a predisposition to alcohol abuse and possibility a predisposition to drug abuse which is why I avoid drugs like the plague. Yet I rarely drink and I've never smoked anything stronger than pot. i've smoked pot exactly once in my life.

I think it's a combination of being born that way, environmental influence and self awareness that are all important factors in if you will become an alcoholic or a drug addict.
 
thats terrible. unfortunatly there are similar issues with alcoholic parents

:hmm:...you do have a few valid points there....I feel drug addiction is a disease, as far as being born that way (a drug addict), I'm not too sure about that.
I do feel a drug addict's offspring(s) are more prone to be or become addicted..same as for alcoholism.

Seeing a newborn baby in ICU at the hospital, undergoing the throes of crack addiction, due to the mother's usage, is a horrific sight. They are slowly weened off the drug. I do feel the baby, would/could have some brain damage later in life. Some babies are born with severe jaundice, which in some cases have been attributed to the mother's addition to drugs, even children, at an early age, (2-3-4-5 years old), can still have some affects of their mother's drug addiction.....(saw that 1st hand) in a child age 3....
 
homosexuality has been illegal in the past. Look up sodomy laws.

Also, legality is arbitrary. Alcohol used to be illegal in america and now its not. Anyone that has experimented with drugs, will tell you that alcohol is up there with all the so called hard drugs. Every year a small number of kids try it for the first time and die from alcohol poisoning

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Some people who are predisposed to addiction -choose- to use drugs then become addicted... At that point they choose to do something illegal - Use Drugs-

Some people who are attracted to the same sex, choose not to pursue same sex relations... At this point they are choosing to deny themselves, possibly if they go this far hurting their different sex spouse and offspring created in the false relationship... These people are not choosing to do something illegal, perhaps immoral... (lying to spouse in this hypothetical example)
 
You miss understand my point. Drug use is considered a moral issue like homosexuality was or even still is, to some people.

And what about praying away the gay. That seems very similar to drug users being told they need to find a higher power in order to achieve sobriety.


WHAT.THE.FUCK?!?!?! Corralating homosexuality with DRUG ABUSERS?!?!?!
I'm sorry that's screwed up. Besides, according to current rehab theory the drug abusers are using to deal with dysfunctionality in their lives. Once they learn to live life sober, they will no longer be active addicts...They will still be addicts yes.....but no longer active addicts....and yes there is a subtype of gay males who are basicly sex addicts and who have severe dysfunctionaity in their lives.....but there are straight people like that too!
 
that sux

A friend of mine drank 750ml a day and now he is dead. Burnt up his liver. Dead at 39. Both parents were heavy drinkers. His ma eventually quit and his dad still drinks a lot a beer.


I come from the same environment as my brother who has a severe drinking problem. Another member of my family goes thru 750ml of whiskey every week and I think that's not all he's drinking.

I have reason to believe that I have a predisposition to alcohol abuse and possibility a predisposition to drug abuse which is why I avoid drugs like the plague. Yet I rarely drink and I've never smoked anything stronger than pot. i've smoked pot exactly once in my life.

I think it's a combination of being born that way, environmental influence and self awareness that are all important factors in if you will become an alcoholic or a drug addict.
 
another funny play on words is "surrender to your addiction" or does it mean to surrender to the war on drugs?
 
homosexuality has been illegal in the past. Look up sodomy laws.

Also, legality is arbitrary. Alcohol used to be illegal in America and now its not. Anyone that has experimented with drugs, will tell you that alcohol is up there with all the so called hard drugs. Every year a small number of kids try it for the first time and die from alcohol poisoning

the point was the -act- was illegal (or still is) not the desire... (even then)

the genetics don't make you a crook, the -act- of stealing, raping, vandalizing, abusing, possession of drugs, etc... make you a crook.

It's a slippery slope, Oh well your (relative goes here) used to steal impulsively small worthless objects so you might be a kleptomaniac too... we'd better do a test... roll up your sleeve...

As far what is and is not legal- caffeine in almost any form/dose is legal for children!!!!

does it make sense (for what is and is not legal) - not really-

Going to steal a thought from Wicca- "Do as ye will, as long as you harm none."

If our laws were based on 'THAT' instead of 'NANNY SAYS ITS BAD FOR YOU' I'd be able to keep more chickens... because its my land and they don't hurt anyone... My friend could paint her house black and gold... because it won't hurt anyone... people could drive w/o worrying about going 2 over the speed limit as long as they don't hurt anyone... ppl could use drugs in their own houses... ppl could marry whatever consensual adultS they wanted...

Never going to happen here tho-
 
I wonder if the military still calls addiction "willful misconduct?"
 
Please clarify more for me, Beo....I've known many parents who have no addictions, nor their families before them, have children, and the children become addicts. How could they "be born that way"?...

Even my adopted boys were born of drug addicts/alcoholics, and the middle boy suffered a lot of problems at age 3-4, (hospitalization...thinking "bugs" were crawling on him).....and is labeled as "slow"...is fine now...the oldest suffered from from alcoholism syndrome..(anger/explosive episodes)....the youngest from birth (jaundice and detachment/emotionally shattered)....

I know my boys are prone to repeating the same mistakes their natural parents did. That is why all 3 have had and still have drug counseling...no alcohol/drugs in the home and not allowed to be around friends that do drugs/alcohol....Now at ages 20, 17 and 15, they are doing fine....but still a long way to go.

My way of thinking is kids are not born that way....they are a product of their environment.

I hope some posts in here answered your question.
 
the point was the -act- was illegal (or still is) not the desire... (even then)

the genetics don't make you a crook, the -act- of stealing, raping, vandalizing, abusing, possession of drugs, etc... make you a crook.

It's a slippery slope, Oh well your (relative goes here) used to steal impulsively small worthless objects so you might be a kleptomaniac too... we'd better do a test... roll up your sleeve...

As far what is and is not legal- caffeine in almost any form/dose is legal for children!!!!

does it make sense (for what is and is not legal) - not really-

Going to steal a thought from Wicca- "Do as ye will, as long as you harm none."

If our laws were based on 'THAT' instead of 'NANNY SAYS ITS BAD FOR YOU' I'd be able to keep more chickens... because its my land and they don't hurt anyone... My friend could paint her house black and gold... because it won't hurt anyone... people could drive w/o worrying about going 2 over the speed limit as long as they don't hurt anyone... ppl could use drugs in their own houses... ppl could marry whatever consensual adultS they wanted...

Never going to happen here tho-


That quote came from the very long wiccan rede, I have it in poster form but won't post due to lazyness.
It means a lot more than most people think and you really need to think about impacts. past present and future.

Just as an example, I'm not meaning this as an attack.

Your chickens may not be attacking anybody but the smell and/or noise may very well be hurting people in another way that you may not have considered. It should be a topic of conversation with people who live near you to find out if it is actually hurting them and if not or they enjoy the chickens then you should be able to keep them, and if not a compromise could be reached with willing neighbors But sadly the law doesn't work on would, should or could much of the time, the law is a blanket statement.

As far as I'm concerned as long as all parties and those who may be affected are consenting and are of maturity to consent then it should be no problem to do many things.
 
I wonder if the military still calls addiction "willful misconduct?"

Dunno if the military ever called it that....but if they did, then it's wrong IMO...again, wouldn't it be the soldier's environment at the time that caused him to turn to drugs/alcohol to avoid all the trauma?...The war environment that he was in?
 
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