Steinhauer

I am not sure where you are going with the mistranslation of homosexuality in the bible. It was pretty clear.

The definition of what a marriage is was also clear. There are no instructions for how a wedding ceremony is to be performed, but the definition of what a marriage actually is, is crystal clear.

Deafness

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StevieMont927

Then are you willing to support abolition of marriage as a legal term? Basically, taking the word "marriage" out of the law altogether, and replacing it with "civil union", then allowing anyone and everyone to get a civil union with all the rights of our current marriage, and leave "marriage" as an institution to the church?

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Doug5

what about all the divorced people with kids getting married? Is that considered traditional family? People used to almost never get divorced. Now its like 50%

Also, doesnt the catholic church forbid remarriage after divorce? Maybe that should legislated too

KarissaMann05

Well, I read some stories about gay parents lost their children to foster/adoption systems because it is "bad influence" on children or something. I think that's sad...

FireTiger

What? You know nothing more about me then what you can read here (and the few other forums on which I post!

I -said- That I don't understand intolerance, one group for another group...

You may want to reared what you quoted...

You may also want to brush up on your bible study, (Sabbath-Jesus) - (Mark 2:23-27, Matthew 12:1-14; Luke 6:1-5) The stories are 'plucking grain on the Sabbath, and 'Good Works on the Sabbath'

Reba and I were having a polite (polite- something you must have missed, ya know no name calling etc) discussion. She and I had already established that Jesus 'came not to condemn the law, but to fulfill it' (Matthew 5:17) based on that we were working on -why- someone (a Christian) would or wouldn't take particular actions (voting a particular way in this case, being very vocal about said particular belief.)

When the scriptures I pointed to do not support that course of actions... of course with free will and all, it doesn't matter- (as neither one of us will change our minds) but really its supposed to be thought provoking.

And unless you can Heal or are doing good works for G-d's glory you shouldn't be working on the Sabbath...

Reba

There's no way to answer that question accurately without having the full story of what happened. Do you have links to the original stories?

FireTiger

Reba-

So far I have only found none, heres a link, and it was from biological grandparents to a gay couple and in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-children.html

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This was interesting, but not helpful for what we are looking for Sexual Orientation
http://wikis.lib.ncsu.edu/images/c/c...er_parents.pdf


Australasia allows it... Adoption in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Didn't find the articles wanted...

Reba

In this case, as far as I can follow it, the straight, birth grandparents had their own grandchildren taken from their custody by force, and given to a gay couple for adoption.

FireTiger

That's what it looks like. That's the main hit I got when I searched. Apparently if the grandparents tech anti-gay the grandparents lose visitation. That's a another miscarriage of justice... *sigh*

Still haven't found any documentation so far where it's listed as the 'reason for removal' so it's either not making news or it's not happening...

I have seen listed:

gross neglect
drug and paraphernalia possession
failure to thrive
abuse

but no mention of sexual orientation of the person/s losing custody on the forms.... not hat it -can't- happen, but it apparently can't be listed as such.

deafdyke

Which cites? There are a lot of cites.....Check out this link if you're interested: Detailed introduction to the Bible and homosexuality: Part 1

TXgolfer

I would say simply 2 Timothy 4:3......

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jillio

Why is it that every single discussion of same sex marraige turns into a religious symposium? This is not a religious issue, it is a legal issue. The last I checked, marriage licenses were issued by the state.

Got a religious objection to homosexuality? Fine. Don't get involved in a same sex relationship. There. Problem solved.

TXgolfer

We all have the same right to vote on the type of country we live in and raise kids in. *shrug*

As a legal issue, not sure why anyone feels the need to have their "love" licensed by the state.

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sallylou

Because that license confers important legal rights. Inheritance, the right to make medical decisions in case of incapacity, etc. It's not fair to exclude same sex couples from those rights. There have been instances in which a partner has become incapacitated and the family of origin swoops in and excludes the other partner. That's not right. You'd think that people would have more compassion for a person whose partner is dying, but some people do not consider gay people worthy of compassion. It's really a reflection on the humanity of those people.

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rolling7

This is the first post to bring religion into the thread. So religion was brought in a PRO gay marriage poster.

TXgolfer

We've covered this many times before....there are other ways to make that happen.

My prior post was about all marriages BTW. Although I am "engaged" now we have no intention of doing it "legally"

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sallylou

You ignorant slut! lol

BTW, what are you trying to avoid? Why not make it legal?

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jillio

So, you approve of Sharia Law, then?

TXgolfer

It's our form of protest/living by what we say. Hell she has way more than I do.... Have I been conned?

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jillio

Exactly. I agree, it does confer important legal rights. The key word being" legal". Religion is used to make decisions regarding your own behavior. If you have religious objections to drinking, then don't drink. If you have religious objections to cutting your hair, then don't get a hair cut. But that is as far as your religious objections go. They do not extend to all of society. They stop at your nose.

TXgolfer

What I believe is pretty clear in the post you quoted. I don't see the majority of America voting to adopt Sharia Law any time soon.

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sallylou

Possibly!

I'm confused why you would say engaged, though. Isn't there another way to describe two adults in a relationship? Girlfriend obviously sounds too juvenile. Maybe she's your hot mama?

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shel90

I saw something on FB about that...lemme find it and see if I can post it here.

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TXgolfer

Oh there will still be a wedding even (we both like cake and parties with a live band) and rings.... Just no court document.

She is the news reporter I mentioned months ago..... which explains why I will be spending much of the winter in dreary old D.C. Luckily she is done after Feb. and it's back to TX/CA/NM

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shel90

It was something about

Dont like gay marriage, dont marry someone the same sex.

Dont like alcohol, dont drink!

Dont like sex, dont do it.


something with a long list of all the "sins" that religious people complain of and try to make them illegal for society.

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sallylou

A fake wedding? Wow! Are you going to tell people that? If you have a formal ceremony, you're probably legally married in a common law marriage state. Might want to check that out.

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TXgolfer

Possibly/Probably..... But at least we didn't seek the license and that is the point. We don't see a need in seeking the government's blessing. We don't consider it a fake wedding of course. We see it as being married in the Church's eyes.

On the guests, of course. We are hoping it will start/continue a trend.

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jillio

Then why would you defend a religious argument for legality? Or do you truly not see the connection?

shel90

huh? Are you referring to me?

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