Jiro

This picture of Wall Street protests caught my eye and I find it idiotic when this person just spurt out "NAZI" especially in this case because what he didn't realize that he is, in fact, in agreement with Hitler's belief with this Wall Street fiasco.

Hitler blamed Jews for Germany's poor economy and poverty. Wall Street and our financial industry are basically dominated by powerful Jewish people. NYC Mayor Bloomberg is Jewish as well.

Let's put this Holocaust aside for a moment. The question is.... was Hitler right about what he was preaching about Jews?

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DeafCaroline

No, he wasn't. And that quote you posted - there is no mention of Jews unless you're suggesting that they too controlled the financial sector of Germany before WW2.

Do you think he was right?

Jiro

no but it is very convincing.

makes me wonder why do protestors always use "Nazi" reference especially in this case because it's other way around.

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DeafCaroline

Nazi is associated with cruel ruthlessness and stripping everyday people of rights and freedoms. it's not a word employed well at times.

I am a history major who had a particular interest in WW2 - here's the deal, before WW2 - Germany went through hyper-inflation, prices were rising so fast that wages had to be adjusted frequently to keep up.
Businessmen, including Jews, profited from this.

Now, keep in mind that up until about the turn of the century, and even later than that, Jews could not go to university, could not vote, could not own land, could not live anywhere they wanted except in Jewish ghettos, could not teach, and they were often forcibly evicted. So, this create a near impossible situation for them and they had to find ways to prosper despite all those restricitons. One of them was moneylending (in the middle ages, moneylending was considered a sin and it was not done by christians so they tolerated jews moneylending as a "necessary evil" - this is what led to Christians viewing Jews as greedy). Anther would be peddling. Yet another would be jewels (they are small, easy to hide and easy to transport should the family be suddenly uprooted and forced to leave on short notice).

Jews were also forced to pay much higher taxes to the government, when I was in Poland and reading about Polish Jews, it was rather shocking. jews had to pay a very high toll to any town to order to gain entry, even if they lived in that town. If one looks at Medieval paintings, the jews are usually portrayed as demons, half man/half animal, or doing very profane acts.

Europe did their damnedest since the Middle Ages to make life nigh impossible for Jews and imposed every sanction and tax they could think of to drive them out, is it any surprise Jews would naturally turn to moneymaking/finance to support themselves given most other professions, let alone university and land-owning were forbidden to them?

Jiro

but in this case... corporations are not stripping people of their rights and freedoms. These people have every rights and choice to not do business with them.

but... it's ironic that protestors are labeling them as Nazi when these corporations are Jewish-controlled.

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DeafCaroline

You're saying all corporations are Jewish-controlled?

Jiro

most corporations are Jewish-controlled in Wall Street.

Lehman Brothers = Jewish
Goldman Sachs = Jewish
Bloomberg (Corporation and NYC Mayor) = Jewish
Bernard Madoff = Jewish
Major law firms in here = Jewish
Major hedge fund firms in here = Jewish

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sallylou

The reference to Nazi is intended to represent fascism. Mussolini would be a more apt reference but Americans have never been very interested in him.

And the last time I checked, the Morgans and the Rockefellers weren't Jewish.

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DeafCaroline

That's some of the corporations.

You should watch "Inside Job" - it explains the problems of Wall Street which incidentally never had a single financial crisis in the 45 years before Ronald Reagan deregulated Wall Street.

Cloggy

Hitler was taking over a democracy.. For that you need a common enemy (Here's an interesting article that will scare you..), and the Jews were easy target..
So.. it's not about the Jews, it's about getting power.
Just as the hole left by Jewish bankers that were removed was eagerly filled by other people seeking power....
Banking is not a national business.

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Banjo

Do anyone realize what these people are in fact, protesting? It's the greed and corruption, not the money.

Cloggy

.. I'm not so sure about that....

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TWA

Dude, you're tripping if you think Jews control the money in this country.

It's all old rich white boys of Anglo-Saxon descent. End of story.

Babyblue

Can someone please explain to me what is the Protest is about...
I got the greed part and money part.

I am trying to understand.. Guess I am behind on this one.

Jiro

yea Jewish

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Jiro

yea that. and more accountability. more regulations. no more tax cuts for them. no bailout. etc.

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Secretblend

In other words, government for the people and not for the rich.

TWA

Jews are a Semitic people originating in the Middle-East. Anglo Saxons are descended from Norse and Germanic tribes.

TXgolfer

Most of them there don't even know what they want. I saw a blonde "Indian" That wants "Communism"....seriously. There is a funny list I saw yesterday that pools all of their demands...It's pretty funny. I will see if I can find it.

There does seem to be alot bitching about having to pay back school loans.....well duh!

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Jiro

There are Jews in just about many races

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DeafCaroline

It initially started with just a few dozen protestors who got turned away by the police and when word got out, more people joined in. The protest is against the practices of Wall Street, economic inequality, and basically insiduous banking practices such as lack of transparency, derivatives and subprime lending which is what led to the collapse - this link is a very good illustration of how derivatives work Hidden Swap Fees by JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley Hit School Boards - Bloomberg

Essentially, the protest is about the corruption of banking and investment firms on Wall Street.

TWA

True, if you are going by religion. But the hate towards Jews is predominantly ethnic based. Not religious.

DeafCaroline

Uh...

VacationGuy234

Banks are corporations and owned by a many people. Because of this, their control is in the best interest of the shareholders not one ethnic group. This by itself is one of the causes of the present crisis. Because banks are in business for profit, they have created products (sometimes illegal) to generate profit and for that reason they are culpable in the crisis. However, they are not solely to blame for the crisis. The government is just as much, if not more, to blame.

As far as Bernie Madoff goes, yes, he is Jewish, but it could also be argued that he took money from Jewish people because his crime was mostly ethnic as he was a confidence man. Still, him and other Jewish men did steal billion and gave to to Jewish charities. However, Charles Ponzi was not Jewish and did the same thing.

On the whole, your statement would be more true about the entertainment industry than banks. So, no, it is not true.

TWA

You do understand that to be Jewish can be both ethnic/racial and religious. Right?

DeafCaroline

As cost of university education in US escalates, so do student loans. Currently there is $830 billion dollars in student loans. Much of it is private loans thus unregulated, thus subjected to higher interest. Guess who sold most of those private loans as asset-back securities...yep, Wall Street. The student loan bubble is just as bad as the housing bubble. And as unemployment stays at the same percentage or increases, it gets harder and harder for the student to pay back the loans, so they would opt for smaller payments per month that puts more money in the pockets of private bankers. If they can't find work, they are still obliged to repay the loan regardless and if they are forced to put off repaying, the back interest on the loan escalates like crazy and it creates a truly fundamental problem for the debt would grow at a scary rate while the student is struggling to find work.

Imagine how long it would take to pay off say a $200,000 loan that has a 19% interest rate attached to it and as a recent graduate of college, you can only afford to pay $500 a month towards paying off that debt - you're in debt for literally decades.

Reba

Wrong-o.

whatdidyousay!

Jiro you're Anti Semitic !! How dare you post a question like that!!
6 millions Jewish people where killed and you question that Hitler could had been right! This thread should be locked!
People that the protest are blaming Jewish people for what happening now and that is Anti Semitic and this need to stop to right now!

Jiro

please re-read thread again carefully.

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Reba

The hatred of Jews doesn't recognize any difference. The haters and destroyers hate and try to destroy simply because Jews are Jews. Any other attempts at rationalizing or justifying their actions are merely lame attempts to cover up their true agenda.