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Unread 10-07-2011, 05:00 PM   #91 (permalink)
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And you know that for a fact? How do you know that if they are behind the scene??

Where is proof?
If you have to ask . . .
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The proof is in the history books. Historians work with original documentation. Some Ph.D. somewhere has the proof.

I suppose those documents are stored somewhere. Library of Congress?
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If you have to ask . . .
You're the one that made the statement. Are we supposed to take things at your word? I think not!

since you made the statement.. where are the proof to back up what you are saying?
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I've been trying to decide what to do with this thread. I could certainly not read it but decided to read it so now I live with what I read.

I disagree with the use of "Nazi" being thrown around indiscriminately to label people who have done wrongs, maybe even great wrongs - but not genocidal. I know full well what it means and what it really stands for.

I have been in various protests and would not personally hold a sign comparing any current U.S. figure or institution to a Nazi.

I also disagree with the tired old correlation between Jews and money/control/Wall Street. I know there are people who happen to be Jewish who are in powerful positions as individuals in many places in the financial sector. But to take that and then go "Jews control everything" is a dangerous path to go down. Jewish people were also hurt by the banking fiasco.

and TheWriteAlex is right - Jews are both a people/culture and a religion <I did not put "race"> . In the Torah we refer to "the people Israel" and the diaspora.
excellent post. thank you for an intellectual reply. this is exactly what I'm looking for.

An intellectual discussion on this ignorant subject that is undoubtedly difficult to talk about objectively in order to understand why we have this powerful unexplainable force that caused us to blurt out anti-semitic or nazi remarks unconsciously when it does not correspond with topic at hand.

example - Mel Gibson. this protestor at Wall Street holding up "NAZI BANKERS".
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Yes. That would be the Morgans, the Rockefellers, etc.
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Yes, and they're still all white christians.

Koch brothers, anyone?
valid points you have there but this thread is not about wealthy white Christians. You can go ahead and make a new thread about it.
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Jiro, when you move into the Jewish banking conspiracy camp, you're joining some nut job conspiracy theorists. Just saying.

My point above is that historically Jewish Americans have not had great policitcal power. Jewish U.S. presidents, anyone? Wealthy men who had great political power have been white Christians. Did you sleep through American History 102?
You might want to check on that... It doesn't have to be just U.S. President. There are plenty of powerful positions that are much more influential and impacting than U.S. President position.

we have.... Former NY Governor and NY Attorney General Elliot Spitzer. NY Mayor Bloomberg. Albert Einstein. Steven Spielberg. Senator Lieberman. Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu. U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. White House Chief of Staff (Obama) Rahm Emanuel. Google Founder Sergey Brin. U.S. Supreme Court Judge Ruth Ginsburg. Facebook Founder Mark Zuckerberg. Oracle Founder Larry Ellison.

All above have great influence and/or political power.

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Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa, who was awarded the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize, has candidly identified the reason: "The is placed on a pedestal [in the US], and to criticize it is to be immediately dubbed anti-Semitic," he said. "People are scared in this country, to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful."

Bishop Tutu spoke the truth. Although Jews make up only about three percent of the US population, they wield immense power and influence vastly more than any other ethnic or religious group.
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Not only that but what about those that are hidden but possibly controlling president and others in power by using money as "donation" or etc????
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Yep. It all goes back to Reagan. It just sickens me the way he is held up as some god in republican circles. People think Bush II was the worst US president, but it is, in fact, Reagan. It is the policies Reagan set in place that have got us where we are today. This crisis is not the result of the last ten years, but of the last thirty. It all begins with Reagan and his bullshit trickle down, deregulation policies.


Carter gave us the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 That is where it starts. Gave us the first dereg act too. With an assist by Mr. St Germain

http://www.bos.frb.org/about/pubs/deposito.pdf

Reagan saved us from an almost Obama sized mess. If not for the push for homeownership by Clinton and Bush we wouldn't have this mess.

Blaming Reagan for this is like blaming Henry Ford for drunk drivers.
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Jiro, you're right, there are many Jews in positions of power but those people you've listed, they are just some of the many many many powerful people out there. And of course it makes no sense to deny Jewish power and prominence in culture, they ARE a part of culture. But guess what, white people also have power and prominence. It's very easy to lump Jews together into a large group and say "well, doesn't this look like a lot to you?" So what? So freaking what. Nobody blinks if white men dominates the majority but should Jews happen to exercise and flex their power, it's like "well, well, isn't this interesting."

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Of course there is Jewish power and prominence in popular culture. Some of the best writers, musicians, mathematicians, artists, thinkers, radicals, philosophers in America are Jewish and imagine American culture without them.

Jews have had a huge influence on culture in Europe for the past two hundred years. Germany was a backwoods uncultivated country two hundred years ago and it was its Jewish population with their love of books, literature, music, the arts who elevated Germany to a more cultural sophisticated society.

I read this book two years ago and it's one of the most educational books I've ever read and I was profoundly embarrassed that such a huge influence and contribution to European culture as we know it today thanks to its Jewish citizens was never acknowledged in my history major program.

If anyone's interested, it's called "The Pity of it All", I got it at the bookstore of the Jewish Museum in Berlin, it's written by Amos Elon.
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Not only that but what about those that are hidden but possibly controlling president and others in power by using money as "donation" or etc????
you watch too much movies
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You might want to check on that... It doesn't have to be just U.S. President. There are plenty of powerful positions that are much more influential and impacting than U.S. President position.

we have.... Former NY Governor and NY Attorney General Elliot Spitzer. NY Mayor Bloomberg.
NYC has had 113 mayors. How many were Jewish?

NY has had 56 governors. How many were Jewish?

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Albert Einstein.
There was only one Einstein but there were and are plenty of non-Jewish scientists of importance in the USA, and world.

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25 Most Influential Directors of All-Time (ranked) - MovieMaker Magazine

1. Alfred Hitchcock 14. John Cassavetes
2. D.W. Griffith 15. Billy Wilder
3. Orson Welles 16. Jean Renoir
4. Jean-Luc Godard 17. Francis Ford Coppola
5. John Ford 18. Howard Hawks
6. Stanley Kubrick 19. Francois Truffaut
7. Sergei Eisenstein 20. Buster Keaton
8. Charlie Chaplin 21. Fritz Lang
9. Federico Fellini 22. John Huston
10. Steven Spielberg 23. Woody Allen
11. Martin Scorsese 24. Luis Bunuel
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Senator Lieberman.
Right. He was so powerful that his own party dumped him.

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Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu.
What a surprise! A powerful Jew in Israel!

Which other countries have Jewish prime ministers?

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U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.
Oh, he's doing a bang-up job.

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White House Chief of Staff (Obama) Rahm Emanuel.
Not anymore.

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Google Founder Sergey Brin.
Facebook Founder Mark Zuckerberg.
Oracle Founder Larry Ellison.
Microsoft: Bill Gates
Apple: Steve Jobs
eBay: Pierre Omidyar

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How many other Jewish Supreme Court Justices?

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All above have great influence and/or political power.
Yes, they did. However, in the scheme of things, what percentage of the world's movers and shakers over the centuries have been Jewish? I don't believe it's been an usually overwhelming number worldwide. I don't believe there have even been enough to unduly influence American government and society. Certainly not as some kind of underground cabal.
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Yes, they did. However, in the scheme of things, what percentage of the world's movers and shakers over the centuries have been Jewish? I don't believe it's been an usually overwhelming number worldwide. I don't believe there have even been enough to unduly influence American government and society. Certainly not as some kind of underground cabal.
that's fine if you believe that but Bishop Tutu and Michael Medved disagree.

Are you dismissing the notion that the Jews do wield heavyweight influence and power in America?
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:Reagan saved us from an almost Obama sized mess.

Not true, Reagan (who at the time I, naively, thought was a great president, until I learned economics) tripled the national debt. This is something that no president before him was ever dumb enough to do. That trend started with Regan and while Obama has increased the debt, he has to because we are in the middle of a great depression (that's right, it hasn't ended). You must pump money into the economy to solve the problem.

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Not true, Reagan (who at the time I, naively, thought was a great president, until I learned economics) tripled the national debt. This is something that no president before him was ever dumb enough to do. That trend started with Regan and while Obama has increased the debt, he has to because we are in the middle of a great depression (that's right, it hasn't ended). You must pump money into the economy to solve the problem.

National debt by U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You studied Economics yet cited Wiki???

And you might want to study some more.
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that's fine if you believe that but Bishop Tutu and Michael Medved disagree.
I don't know what makes Bishop Tutu such an expert on world cabals.

I've liked Michael Medved for years. Where did he say that the Jews were part of a worldwide cabal?

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Individual Jews have positions of influence and power, just as other people do. At least they're no longer overtly excluded like they used to be. As an ethnic or religious group, they don't hold any particular special control over our government or economy.
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Not true, Reagan (who at the time I, naively, thought was a great president, until I learned economics) tripled the national debt. This is something that no president before him was ever dumb enough to do..........
Bush & Bush did even better...
Records are to be broken I guess... (Notice Clinton missing.. He reduced the debt..)
Pitty that Obama is inheriting the bush's shit... Think of what could have been done without Obama inheriting a disaster..



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I don't know what makes Bishop Tutu such an expert on world cabals.
well we can argue about what constitutes an "Authoritative Source" but I think we both know whose opinion carries with weight

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I've liked Michael Medved for years. Where did he say that the Jews were part of a worldwide cabal?
That's not the point. Point is.... he recognized it and acknowledged it.

But are you dismissing it?

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Individual Jews have positions of influence and power, just as other people do. At least they're no longer overtly excluded like they used to be. As an ethnic or religious group, they don't hold any particular special control over our government or economy.
I beg to differ. Looking at some powerful positions held by Jewish individuals, Bernanke, for example, pretty much had a "special control" over our economy.
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well we can argue about what constitutes an "Authoritative Source" but I think we both know whose opinion carries with weight

That's not the point. Point is.... he recognized it and acknowledged it.

But are you dismissing it?
There's nothing to dismiss. I don't disagree with Medved. I disagree with your interpretation of what he said.

This is what you posted:

"It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish power and prominence in popular culture." -- Michael Medved, well-known Jewish author and respected film critic.

I don't see anything about a worldwide or even nationwide cabal of Jewish puppet masters.

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I beg to differ. Looking at some powerful positions held by Jewish individuals, Bernanke, for example, pretty much had a "special control" over our economy.
Did Bernanke have "special control" because he was Jewish and part of a secret group? No. You're confusing cause and effect.
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Are you dismissing the notion that the Jews do wield heavyweight influence and power in America?
SOME Jews do hold influence and power in America. The way you wrote that sentence, one would think you're talking about every Jewish American citizen. Which is far from the truth.
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You might want to check on that... It doesn't have to be just U.S. President. There are plenty of powerful positions that are much more influential and impacting than U.S. President position.

we have.... Former NY Governor and NY Attorney General Elliot Spitzer. NY Mayor Bloomberg. Albert Einstein. Steven Spielberg.
Senator Lieberman. Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu. U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. White House Chief of Staff (Obama) Rahm Emanuel. Google Founder Sergey Brin. U.S. Supreme Court Judge Ruth Ginsburg. Facebook Founder Mark Zuckerberg. Oracle Founder Larry Ellison.

All above have great influence and/or political power.

interesting comments -
those positions you've listed, they're more influential and powerful than the US President? NY Mayors? filmmmaker Steven Spielberg? Really?
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The top 10 firms held liable for the market collapse, only three of them run by Jews: former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, Current Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and the Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld.

All others, white guys. Washington Mutual, AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Bank of America... It was Washington Mutual who's held most responsible for the subprime mortgage crisis, and they were the ones who dragged down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Hmm. I didn't know Greenspan is Jewish.
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There's nothing to dismiss. I don't disagree with Medved. I disagree with your interpretation of what he said.

This is what you posted:

"It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish power and prominence in popular culture." -- Michael Medved, well-known Jewish author and respected film critic.

I don't see anything about a worldwide or even nationwide cabal of Jewish puppet masters.


Did Bernanke have "special control" because he was Jewish and part of a secret group? No. You're confusing cause and effect.
I haven't established any cause and effect. I haven't said anything about cabal thing or puppet master either.

That's how you interpreted my post.
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those positions you've listed, they're more influential and powerful than the US President? NY Mayors? filmmmaker Steven Spielberg? Really?
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I haven't established any cause and effect. I haven't said anything about cabal thing or puppet master either.

That's how you interpreted my post.
I specifically referred to a cabal, and you answered:

"That's not the point. Point is.... he recognized it and acknowledged it.

But are you dismissing it? "

Are you saying that you weren't making that statement in direct reply to mine?

It that's the case, then what "it" were you referring to?

Just to be clear then:

You do not believe that American Jews are involved in any secret, national or international, organization that wants to control our government or society. Correct?
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those positions you've listed, they're more influential and powerful than the US President? NY Mayors? filmmmaker Steven Spielberg? Really?
Someone is a little NYC-centric.
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I specifically referred to a cabal, and you answered:

"That's not the point. Point is.... he recognized it and acknowledged it.

But are you dismissing it? "

Are you saying that you weren't making that statement in direct reply to mine?

It that's the case, then what "it" were you referring to?

Just to be clear then:

You do not believe that American Jews are involved in any secret, national or international, organization that wants to control our government or society. Correct?
ah I see what you mean.

"it" = I was referring to what Bishop Tutu and Michael Medved said about Jewish's influence
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I haven't established any cause and effect. I haven't said anything about cabal thing or puppet master either.

That's how you interpreted my post.
um...let's see what you wrote earlier:

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Again, it has nothing to do with Jews because it is an American problem.
Jiro: of course it is an American problem on the surface but when you dissect it and dig deeper.... shit gets ugly. it's just convenient and easier to blame Bush, Obama, or whoever.

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Are you dismissing the notion that the Jews do wield heavyweight influence and power in America?
You are definitely suggesting that Jewish people are more powerful and influential than the US President who is the leader of the free world then listed Steven Spielberg as being one of them. With that kind of reasoning, you've lost the argument already.
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You are definitely suggesting that Jewish people are more powerful and influential than the US President who is the leader of the free world then listed Steven Spielberg as being one of them. With that kind of reasoning, you've lost the argument already.
Steven Spielberg has shaped public perception thru his movies and inspired the world for decades.

and US President? Haters gonna hate
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...You are definitely suggesting that Jewish people are more powerful and influential than the US President who is the leader of the free world then listed Steven Spielberg as being one of them. With that kind of reasoning, you've lost the argument already.
What?! You haven't figured the numerology of DreamWorks?


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