The immigration thread

[DeafCaroline]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

And on the flip side, someone does not get that the colonists were protecting their way of life.

"Protecting" - give me a break. They invaded.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

And on the flip side, someone does not get that the colonists were protecting their way of life. Like the expression goes "All is fair in love and war". And .. "to the victor go the spoils". Do you honestly believe that if the Native Americans had won, that there would be no slavery today?

Plymouth Rock was not an act of war - initially, the colonists were friendly with the Native Americans. It became a conflict in culture erupting into a full scale war. And, in war, you fight to win or get out.

The colonists sure had an overblown sense of entitlement, wouldn't you say?

[Secretblend]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

The colonists sure had an overblown sense of entitlement, wouldn't you say?

Remind you of anything today??

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by Secretblend

Remind you of anything today??

Sure, Alldeaf. We have become so accustomed to feeling it is ours, when really, it isn't, except for the grace of one person.

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

"Protecting" - give me a break. They invaded.

Native American Clashes with European Settlers

Nope - the original intent was to trade - and they did so peacefully until the formation of the 6 nations (who wanted to dominate the trade by force).

[DeafCaroline]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Native American Clashes with European Settlers

Nope - the original intent was to trade - and they did so peacefully until the formation of the 6 nations (who wanted to dominate the trade by force).

Did you read what you linked to?

"As the Confederacy fought smaller tribes for control of western Virginia, European colonists set their own designs on the Ohio Valley. In 1607, English colonists landed at Jamestown, Virginia. Based on various explorations, the British and French laid claim to the territory comprising present-day West Virginia and Native Americans were forced west. Many of the tribes were destroyed by constant warfare and catastrophic diseases."

[Daredevel7]

this thread has become HILARIOUS!!!!

Keep going, y'all!!

[rolling7]

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

"Protecting" - give me a break. They invaded.

Doesn't Canada also belong to the North American Indian tribes!!

[Jiro]

ah.... so we have Troy Davis.... and now this.... the hilarity ensues....

Do please go on and reinforce my stereotypical belief about Georgia

[Sunshine]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

There is the issue of "legal immigration" you are purposefully (?) not addressing. There is a "legal" way for foreigners to become citizens of the U.S.

Those that cross into our border without doing it "legally" are criminals. Criminals break into people's houses and take things that do not belong to them and think it is their "right".

That is exactly what illegals are doing to our country.

I think legal, illegal, who care? I think borders should not exist. People free live wherever they please.

[rolling7]

Originally Posted by sunny_signs

I think legal, illegal, who care? I think borders should not exist. People free live wherever they please.

So tell me this, please. WHY do you have a lock on your front door and all your windows?

[DeafCaroline]

Originally Posted by rolling7

Doesn't Canada also belong to the North American Indian tribes!!

Yes, once upon a time it did. And?

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by rolling7

So tell me this, please. WHY do you have a lock on your front door and all your windows?

to keep people out like you

[rolling7]

Originally Posted by Jiro

to keep people out like you

Did you even read post #160? Sunny Sign says I can live wherever I please and that includes YOUR house, even if you don't like me. According to Sunny Sign, you can't even throw me out.

[rolling7]

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

Yes, once upon a time it did. And?

Just to be sure you understood all your previous post where not limited to the U.S.A.but included Canada. Me? I'm 1000% in favor of giving both lands back to the original owners.

Beating everyone to the punch.......if you tell me to leave, are you leaving too?

[DeafCaroline]

What? We were talking about immigration in the US and then somehow ended up talking about the natives of the US. If we were talking about Canadian immigration and the natives of Canada, then yeah, I would see the relevance of your post but we're not so what's your point?

And tell you to leave? Did i ever suggest that?

[Sunshine]

Originally Posted by rolling7

So tell me this, please. WHY do you have a lock on your front door and all your windows?

Building put them there. Ask me now if I ever lock them. Go on. I dare you.

[Sunshine]

Originally Posted by rolling7

Did you even read post #160? Sunny Sign says I can live wherever I please and that includes YOUR house, even if you don't like me. According to Sunny Sign, you can't even throw me out.

Deliberate obtuse? Or just truly dense?

Whatever country. pay attention. Read for context.

[rolling7]

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

What? We were talking about immigration in the US and then somehow ended up talking about the natives of the US. If we were talking about Canadian immigration and the natives of Canada, then yeah, I would see the relevance of your post but we're not so what's your point?

And tell you to leave? Did i ever suggest that?

I used the words "not limited" and just to be sure I went back to the OP and I'm right, the OP never said anything about limiting the subject to AMERICAN only.

No, you did not suggest that but I was getting ahead of those I know would.

[rolling7]

Originally Posted by sunny_signs

Building put them there. Ask me now if I ever lock them. Go on. I dare you.

I wont ask you if you ever lock them but I will ask you "If you stand by your statemented, as posted, have you removed them?" I know of no country/state/city that has a building code that requires you to have them.
You stated that people can live anywhere they please, so without asking you would you be ok with an outsider taking up "home" in your place?

[DeafCaroline]

Originally Posted by rolling7

I used the words "not limited" and just to be sure I went back to the OP and I'm right, the OP never said anything about limiting the subject to AMERICAN only.

No, you did not suggest that but I was getting ahead of those I know would.

rolling7 - i'm saying that right now, we're having a discussion about natives in the US. You just want to say 'yeah, well, you suck too so there".

We're not talking about whether this is restricted to the US, we're talking about natives in the US, and the history of relations between natives and Americans.

Anyway, I should have known better than try to have a rational logical discussion with you.

[Beowulf]

Denial is one thing, but screaming it is another.

[Sunshine]

Originally Posted by rolling7

I wont ask you if you ever lock them but I will ask you "If you stand by your statemented, as posted, have you removed them?" I know of no country/state/city that has a building code that requires you to have them.
You stated that people can live anywhere they please, so without asking you would you be ok with an outsider taking up "home" in your place?

I sure now you be deliberate obtuse, so

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

Did you read what you linked to?

"As the Confederacy fought smaller tribes for control of western Virginia, European colonists set their own designs on the Ohio Valley. In 1607, English colonists landed at Jamestown, Virginia. Based on various explorations, the British and French laid claim to the territory comprising present-day West Virginia and Native Americans were forced west. Many of the tribes were destroyed by constant warfare and catastrophic diseases."

The Confederacy was the 5 Nations (as in - Native Americans - so yeah, even they were "fighting for control")

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

The Confederacy was the 5 Nations (as in - Native Americans - so yeah, even they were "fighting for control")

Really, when you come right down to it, they were fighting for survival.

[rolling7]

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

rolling7 - i'm saying that right now, we're having a discussion about natives in the US. You just want to say 'yeah, well, you suck too so there".

We're not talking about whether this is restricted to the US, we're talking about natives in the US, and the history of relations between natives and Americans.

Anyway, I should have known better than try to have a rational logical discussion with you.

The problem with your discussion is the falsehood that the colonists/pilgrims were Americans....they were NOT. They came from England/France/Spain/Iceland and they first touch on what is considered Canada's soil. (No, not Florida...that was years later and, certainly, not the Mayflower)
So any discussion about the natives can not be limited to what happened on what is considered U.S. soil but must first be discussed about Canada's.
That was my point of first asking you if you included Canada.

[DeafCaroline]

Originally Posted by rolling7

The problem with your discussion is the falsehood that the colonists/pilgrims were Americans....they were NOT. They came from England/France/Spain/Iceland and they first touch on what is considered Canada's soil. (No, not Florida...that was years later and, certainly, not the Mayflower)
So any discussion about the natives can not be limited to what happened on what is considered U.S. soil but must first be discussed about Canada's.
That was my point of first asking you if you included Canada.

Again, Steinhauer is the one bringing up the subjective of natives in American history and politics. That is what we were discussing.

yes, Canada has natives too and yes, we also have a history of treating them badly but that's not what was being discussed here.

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Really, when you come right down to it, they were fighting for survival.

yep - both sides. The U.S. won .... yay!!!

USA! USA! USA!

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

Again, Steinhauer is the one bringing up the subjective of natives in American history and politics. That is what we were discussing.

yes, Canada has natives too and yes, we also have a history of treating them badly but that's not what was being discussed here.

The subject came up when someone blamed white people for illegally immigrating to turtle island.

Seems some people just want to blame everything on the "white devils".

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by rolling7

Did you even read post #160? Sunny Sign says I can live wherever I please and that includes YOUR house, even if you don't like me. According to Sunny Sign, you can't even throw me out.

I see that you lack common sense. now go roll along.