The immigration thread

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Not if they are here legally - the argument is so flawed.

100% of illegals = liars and thieves. They do not care about law abiding citizens and slap the face of those who came here legally.

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

If you want to. But, you could start by reviewing the history of any country.

Every other country on this planet regulates immigration.

here's a problem - this country was taken from the natives.... and it was built by immigrants. So your argument has deeply flawed and hypocritical.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by rolling7

It also explains how the catholic church still exist even if weekly new information about cover-ups of child rape is presented to the world.

What the hell does that have to do with immigration? You are getting your hatreds confused.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

what?

I was wondering how being rolling being 64 explained all of this, too.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

So now we can discuss Catholics in the immigrant thread? How about we discuss Palin having a one nighter?

Wait...did Palin boink a Catholic guy, too?

[jillio]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

So you are ok with someone taking your food, your job, your money, your insurance and your education?

What? You are making as little sense as R7.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

That started in the early 70's. Any politician promoting family values was chastised and mocked.

Elaborate, please. The politicians I remember the most from that era were people like Richard Nixon. Family values...riiiiight.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by Jiro

no I'm not. you know why? Most of thieves and liars are Americans.

And politicians.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

That might be because of your belief that self defense is a crime .... coupled with the fact that anyone opposed to "illegals" must obviously, in your view, be a racist law breaker. I can pretend that those entering this country illegally are doing so for good and noble purposes for us all .... uh ... no, I can't.

Gee ... how did you git so purty dern smart?

Where have I ever stated that self defense was a crime? You are hallucinating again, Steinhauer.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

**** that

People who break the law are criminals. **** treating them like they are heros.

Remember that the next time you break the law.

[DeafCaroline]

Originally Posted by jillio

Remember that the next time you break the law.

People break the laws all the time - littering, jaywalking, etc. Let's hang them all! F'ing criminals.

[souggy]

Wirelessly posted

Thread fails.

[Sunshine]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Yes, my definition is different. When someone breaks into another person's home and takes things they did not work for, it is not called "helping them out".

How this go with what I say?? I say we need take better care each other. That mean not giving a shit where someone had good/bad fortune be born, just saying because they human and I human, this mean whoever in position to help other have duty do so!! Why not anyone who want allowed live America?? YOUR ancestors come somewhere else. Why they allowed, not me? Arbitrary. Socialism is our duty as part our humanity. We lose our humanity, we treat life as time only for make money, is very sad world left. Life purpose not money...life purpose love. Love everywhere we can find it, make it, save it, introduce it, savour it.

[Daredevel7]

Originally Posted by Aleser

... Other: none of the above.

**** treating human beings like they're "illegal" for existing. **** punishing people who feed and clothe them. **** punishing employers who give them jobs so they can live. **** spending tax money and resources on a bunch of angry guys with guns at the borders scaring away people trying to get a better life. **** forcing "illegals" into silence when this process victimizes them and leaves them too scared to report crime or injustice. **** punishing their children who never made the choice to be "illegals". **** a system that demands its pound of flesh from someone, somewhere.

I choose other. I choose real changes to the deeply flawed US immigration system. I choose recognizing that people are HUMANS who have every right to the earth as you, not "illegal aliens".

I gotta say that this sounds like a hybrid homage to SubUrbia and Trainspotting. I like it.

I have a very very strong feeling that if a person who is anti-illegals were in the shoes of the average illegal immigrant... he would still do the same thing.. he still would try to come to the US for a better life... especially if you have kids.

I am all for E-verify and making sure employers are hiring legal people. However, I am also for making it easier for immigrants to become legal to work so that we can tax them.

[Deafguy25]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Not if they are here legally - the argument is so flawed.

100% of illegals = liars and thieves. They do not care about law abiding citizens and slap the face of those who came here legally.

Who came here legally? Are you talking about the white men who showed up and stole the land from it's native people? Where those the "legal immigrants" they are "slapping the face of"?

By the way, my vote is NONE OF THE ABOVE. If we want to get Mexicans to stop wanting to cross the border for safety and jobs, we need to help Mexico become a safe place that has a economic system that can support jobs for its citizens. Seriously, would you want to live and work in Mexico? I would be first in line to try to cross the border!

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by Jiro

here's a problem - this country was taken from the natives.... and it was built by immigrants. So your argument has deeply flawed and hypocritical.

You are forgetting about the treaties.

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by Deafguy25

Who came here legally? Are you talking about the white men who showed up and stole the land from it's native people? Where those the "legal immigrants" they are "slapping the face of"?

By the way, my vote is NONE OF THE ABOVE. If we want to get Mexicans to stop wanting to cross the border for safety and jobs, we need to help Mexico become a safe place that has a economic system that can support jobs for its citizens. Seriously, would you want to live and work in Mexico? I would be first in line to try to cross the border!

That is very interesting that you would use the word "stolen" when Native Americans had no concept of land ownership. They felt the land belonged to everyone.

[Deafguy25]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

You are forgetting about the treaties.

Are you denying that the "colonists" murdered and stole the land from natives? Do you really believe that some useless treaties that the leaders were duped into signed (when they likely couldn't read them) actually matter?

[Deafguy25]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

That is very interesting that you would use the word "stolen" when Native Americans had no concept of land ownership. They felt the land belonged to everyone.

But the white people took the land without any intention of sharing it with the natives.

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by sunny_signs

How this go with what I say?? I say we need take better care each other. That mean not giving a shit where someone had good/bad fortune be born, just saying because they human and I human, this mean whoever in position to help other have duty do so!! Why not anyone who want allowed live America?? YOUR ancestors come somewhere else. Why they allowed, not me? Arbitrary. Socialism is our duty as part our humanity. We lose our humanity, we treat life as time only for make money, is very sad world left. Life purpose not money...life purpose love. Love everywhere we can find it, make it, save it, introduce it, savour it.

There is the issue of "legal immigration" you are purposefully (?) not addressing. There is a "legal" way for foreigners to become citizens of the U.S.

Those that cross into our border without doing it "legally" are criminals. Criminals break into people's houses and take things that do not belong to them and think it is their "right".

That is exactly what illegals are doing to our country.

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by Deafguy25

But the white people took the land without any intention of sharing it with the natives.

Show me where.

Where did "Thanksgiving" come from?

[Deafguy25]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Show me where.

Where did "Thanksgiving" come from?

Are you kidding?

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by Deafguy25

Are you kidding?

What happened to Jamestown?

The colonists started a trade business with the Native Americans. Then, when treaties were broken, the colonists defended themselves.

[rolling7]

Originally Posted by jillio

What the hell does that have to do with immigration? You are getting your hatreds confused.

Do you even know how to follow along? Or your reading must be at 3 grade level?
My reply was to answer Jiro's comment about "rigidness” post 62
I'll die before I give up the fight to put the catholic church out of business.
But you...you would just sit those priest down and let them make excuses for their criminal acts against children.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by steinhauer

what happened to jamestown?

The colonists started a trade business with the native americans. Then, when treaties were broken, the colonists defended themselves.

lol!!!!

[Steinhauer]

In the United States, the modern Thanksgiving holiday tradition traces its origins to a 1621 celebration at Plymouth in present-day Massachusetts. There is also evidence for an earlier harvest celebration on the continent by Spanish explorers in Florida during 1565, as well as thanksgiving feasts in the Virginia Colony. The initial thanksgiving observance at Virginia in 1619 was prompted by the colonists' leaders on the anniversary of the settlement.[7] The 1621 Plymouth feast and thanksgiving was prompted by a good harvest. In later years, the tradition was continued by civil leaders such as Governor Bradford who planned a thanksgiving celebration and fast in 1623.[8][9][10] While initially, the Plymouth colony did not have enough food to feed half of the 102 colonists, the Wampanoag Native Americans helped the Pilgrims by providing seeds and teaching them to fish. The practice of holding an annual harvest festival like this however, did not become a regular affair in New England until the late 1660s.[11]

Thanksgiving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are arguing with a Native American - just so you know. My Grandmother's Nation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Indians

The Pilgrims celebrated Thanksgiving with the Native Americans.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Thanksgiving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are arguing with a Native American - just so you know.

The Pilgrims celebrated Thanksgiving with the Native Americans.

Nope. I am laughing with them. The Native Americans broke the treaties??? Oh please.
Nowhere does it say that in the article you quoted, anyway.

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Nope. I am laughing with them. The Native Americans broke the treaties??? Oh please.
Nowhere does it say that in the article you quoted, anyway.

Then you cannot read pale-face.

[Deafguy25]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Thanksgiving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are arguing with a Native American - just so you know. My Grandmother's Nation - Miami people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Pilgrims celebrated Thanksgiving with the Native Americans.

Yes, the Native Americans saved the colonists' lives. That was the first Thanksgiving. Then they repaid them by giving them blankets infected with small pox. The Straight Dope: Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox?

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Then you cannot read pale-face.

Then highlight the part that says so.

[Steinhauer]

Indian Treaties, Acts and Agreements

Indian Treaties 1778-1883 were one of the ways the United States Government used to remove the Indian population from their Native Soil. Many of the treaties were broken almost as soon as they were written and not always by the Indians. (But the majority of the time - they were broken by the Native Americans - emphasis, mine). The removal of the Indians was necessary for the US Governments expansion to the West.

Now, we could turn this thread into an informative one about the tactics used by the Native Americans when they declared war and broke treaties .... but I paid attention in History class.