Jazzberry

Wiki is only as good as the people who know about the article and who decide to contribute to writing and editing it -- so fair enough.

However, my post referred to the resources at the end of the wiki article, not the article itself.



Nature of newspaper and magazine articles -- the stories are usually only written when the topic is "hot."

I just think the whole thing is really sad.



Anyway, if I want to check up on what Wiki, Rick Ross and AD's own Sally Lou says, they each offered sources that I can refer to and follow up with. Ross and Sally Lou even offer original sources, e.g. I could probably find a way to get access to the trial's transcripts.

Not to put you on the spot, but frankly you haven't done the same. We can't always rely on our impressions or on a very small sample (the two or so families you spoke to personally) to get the actual facts It's the least reliable form of evidence.

As a society we make decisions through laws, etc on how we can treat each other including where family discipline ends and child abuse start. We can't do this fairly unless we have good quality of information to work with.

So for example, if I am trying to decide whether to invite a new family to the neighborhood barbecue -- its OK for me to go by my impressions of them that I got the other day at the grocery store. If I'm on a jury trying to decide if they are guilty of a crime, or if I'm a lawmaker trying to decide if I should vote to revise family laws and allow for polygamy -- I need a lot more information and evidence before I cast my vote.

I occasionally go off on a mini-rant about the importance of citations, sources, etc. as its one of the issues I care strongly about. /end mini-rant

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radioman

I gotta say- I agree with you on this...

very convenient. makes you wonder what else are they hiding or we dont know yet?
its kind of like you are normally a grump around your peers and you smile all day for no reason.. it sure makes people wonder.

Reba

Are you saying that if the polygamous groups were publicly accepted, they wouldn't continue forcibly making "brides" out of little girls?

sallylou

No, I'm saying that the vitcims in the compounds have no where to turn. That's why I think that they should be busted.

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Reba

I don't know about other polygamist leaders but Warren Jeffs takes the cake. In addition to raping little girls:

"It appears the religious leader's sexual hunger has not abated behind bars.

One of his former prison guards, Rick Bradley, said the child molester, who used to preach to his congregants about abstaining from the act, masturbated continuously while in custody.

The officer, who serves at the county jail where Jeffs was held awaiting trial, said he would pleasure himself about 15 times a day in full view of the jailers."

Read more: Warren Jeffs moved to solitary cell to serve life sentence for child rapes in Texas | Mail Online

whatdidyousay!

Maybe people that are for polygamous groups are the one that put out the nursing baby that come with fake nipples for girl to 'nurse' their babies. Next little girls will be able to pretend to give birth to their 'babies'!

Reba

Thanks for the clarification.

Reba

I don't see any connection there.

sallylou

Reba, I was clips of that trial. It was so disturbing that I stopped watching any of it. The whole trial was bizzare.

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Doug5

This thread shows the logic against anything. Protect the children.

This argument is used against the legalization of marijuana for ADULTS.

sallylou

No, I'm talking about solid evidence sufficient to convict.

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kristy2078

I don't like the idea of using fake nipples.

But, have you ever seen a little girl play mommy by putting a doll under her shirt and pretend to have a baby? This happens all the time.

kristy2078

That's totally off the wall.

Barbaro

My friend is LDS, and works at the jail county in St. George, Utah where Warren Jeffs stayed there. He said that Warren Jeffs is quiet, and soft-spoken. My LDS friend is extremely disgusted by Warren Jeff's actions, and wants to see him suffer badly. He usually calls him "Old Dirty Bastard."

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jillio

Because some have spirituals reason for getting married. Others have faith in the insitituion.

kristy2078

There's the getting married in a church or some religious facility and performed by someone who's trained to do that. This is different from getting married by the state (which has a whole different set of purposes). Kody Brown has four wives, three of whom are not officially married but are married under the 'common law marriage' clause.

In short, there are many ways to married.

jillio

You are referring to Western traditions and laws. I am speaking world wide.

sallylou

I'm not aware of any jurisdiction in the U.S. that allows a wife and a common law wife. Only one wife (or husband) at a time. It doesn't matter what the dude tells all of the susequent women.

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kristy2078

Legal status of polygamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at the countries (in blue) where polygamy is legally permitted. These are the same areas where women don't have equal rights or protection. Can you be absolutely sure that women in these areas haven't been forced into marriage or were considered valuable members of the society when not married or after a husband's death? It's pretty rare for a woman to have rights and equal power in a relationship in these areas.

jillio

Correct.

jillio

I'm well aware of the information you have provided. And you are still making your judgements based on your Westernized opinion of the way things are supposed to be. That is called taking an ethnocentric perspective.

Grummer

polygamy is fun, you can have a shaved one, hairy one, red one, blonde one, brunette one, trimmed, farting one, smoking one, oone that can have 2 or 3 in, and for ladies you can have a long one, fat one, short one, machine gun one, shotgun one, river nile one, tear drops one, goo one, hairless one, black one, long black, horsey one, prickled one, snowball one
just think of all the fun you're missing why moan?
oh not to mention some tattooed ones, even metal decorated ones...stitched up ones are real sad though

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Reba

There's another thread that covers this topic.

whatdidyousay!

I am being sarcastic !

jillio

Reba

I agree. South Carolina is one state that allows common law wives to have full rights but still, it has to be one at a time. No harems of legal and common law wives allowed.

Reba

It's curious that the few examples of polygamy in the USA seem to be based on LDS philosophy. Do we have any examples of non-white, non-Mormon polygamous groups in the USA? Since Islam allows polygamy, why do we not read anything on the news about Muslim polygamous families in the USA? Are there are other people practicing polygamy underground?

souggy

Even though Islam allows polygamy, very few engages in it, even in the Middle East, because most men cannot afford to support more than one wife.

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jillio

I have a very good friend who is Muslim. She was born into and raised in a polygamous family, but that was prior to immigration. She is still married to the man it was arranged for her to marry, but their relationship is monogamous. She said that when immigrating to another country, Isamic followers do not practice polygamy, and it is even a less frequent type of marraige in her home land as well.

Grummer

wives is their version of 'big stereo, big houses, fast cars (oh they have fast cars too) its like different "ultimate or pipe dreams" to motivate those masses below them, AND to demostrate wealth and power....its a status thing over there

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