Grummer

orgies isnt a cult, no wait a minute it might be...

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deafbajagal

We are being brainwashed to think that single marriages are okay...but the same society condone and even embrace open sexual pleasures found in clubs, pornography, and open causal sex...what gives?

kristy2078

A comprehensive survey of traditional societies in the world shows that 83.39% of them practice polygyny, 16.14% practice monogamy, and .47% practice polyandry.

So let's see:

83.39% involving one man having multiple wives versus 0.47% involving one woman having multiple husbands

83.39% versus 0.47%

Seems hardly balanced.

Up until recently, women didn't have much power in decision making processes and in what she could do. In modern times, we might get better results, though. There are areas in the world where there's no equality for women yet, so it's hard to say whether women who enter polygyny really did enter with a clear and informed conscience.

Just how prevalent is polygamy where the members also share each other rather than just one person or groups where there is more than one person of each sex? This is polyamory. Polyamory is so much simpler than polygamy, IMO. There's more flexibility and there's no one person as the center of a group. The groups don't set up specific rules regarding who's responsible for what and who can have sex with whom, and there's no traditional theme that asserts a person's role based on gender and stereotypes. Some people here have mentioned the nature of a polyamorous group, so that should be the topic over polygamy. Polyamory would also give women more power and equality.

kristy2078

Married couples have porn, too. The 'open casual sex' does happen, assuming the people involved were not cheating on their spouses (namely, were not married or dating someone else who is not aware of what's going on). And even if two people are married, they also can have open relationships. So, the legal perspective on marriage has nothing to do with the other things.

jillio

How are they ethnocentric? They aren't trying to abolish single partner marraiges just because they believe a polygamous marraige is right. Ethocentrism is only a problem when one uses it to force their belief system on another.

faire_jour

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the comment about joesph smith being a "sex addict" is incredibly offensive. Just because someone believes differently from you does not mean you should insult their religous leaders.

jillio

Polyamory isn't marraige. Your percentages already answered that question.

jillio

There are plenty of sources that have speculated on Joseph Smith's sexual issues. It has been discussed in comparative religion for years. It isn't something new.

whatdidyousay!

I do not know any woman that got married in a traditional wedding having to giving all her money to the guy before getting married. Society been telling women for years their place was in the kitchen , now little girls are being programmed into thinking to they have a baby, there is a freaking nursing baby and a fake nipple to wear for little girls to wears . You tell what give,
I am having very hard understand why 5 or more women want to be married to the same man at one time! What is in it for the women , I just do not get it!! So the only thing I can think of is the women have to be under the guy control!

kristy2078

And that's just the only single difference between polyamory and polygamy. Why bother getting married at all when you can still have the relationships you want with a bunch of people?

Buffalo

Somehow you don't strike me as you would enter in a polygyny marriage.

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posts from hell

I wasnt offended at all... Mainly because the religion spoke about is a baby... Not even real. But again... That is my opinion.

rebeccalj

The only reason such a large population of mormon in Utah is that they were run out of New York because people against polygamy. When mormons settled in Utah they were still practising polygamy.

Steinhauer

I would be curious to know health related statistics involving monogamous relationships opposed to polygamy relationships.

LDNanna

Hi. You know the "weird ones" are from this area? The next town is where the LDS (Latter Day Saints) ranch is.

Apart from the horrible, deplorable practice of taking "child brides", the clan is incredibly well mannered. The grounds are immaculate, the food is organic, home grown and home processed. The kids are beautiful, healthy, well dressed, very well mannered and they do NOT accept welfare, food stamps, or any other government assistance. The married women say that they feel as sisters toward one another. They were raised this way. They are quite "sassy" too. When seen in town they will rarely speak to outsiders, hold their heads high with chins up and shoulders well back. They walk with a purposeful stride and keep with the family. The husband and kids follow her as ducks would.

As I said, the practice of taking child brides is a nasty thing to do. The fellow was tried and convicted here in town. He had as many as 80 "wives". How did they live? Quite well actually. Their homes are simple and very clean and nice. All maintained internally. They are all very succesful and self supportive.

Factually, when the ranch was raided and all of the children taken into custody temporarily, it took more than 4 surrounding counties and all available funds and charities to provide for the children. This is the only time that they ever have taken public funds that were not earned. Also, to some amusement by locals, the parents had provided for these youngsters quite well for their entire lives and the counties were over taxed (overwhelmed)! The education level was far beyond public school level, their health was incredible and their manners astounding - even in a very strange, most foreign environ. The children were very capable of tasking in both an educational and home setting.

Still, the "child bride" thing is sickening. The young boys of the group are not "kicked out" of this group but rather "farmed out" to work. They got huge paying government contracts and worked there. You see, the fellows are not allowed to marry Unless They Can Support A Family. Please do your own research. Goodness knows there are lots of pages on this recently. Most of it horrific.

Now - we also have a regular Mormon center here in town. Have to say - pretty close. Though they do not live in a compound or ranch, they wear "normal" clothing, eat "regular" food and wear white shirts and black pants and ride bikes. They store food for a one year time so that they are always one year prepared. They do wear some special things, but not that you would notice. The kids and homes are quite simple and clean. They also do not accept welfare, foodstamps nor any other such assistance. How do I know? Not only were they part of my ecumenical studies group, but a former employer let me into his family life. It was very interesting to see the values they not only believed, but did follow. I enjoyed getting to know them. Mind you again - the "normal" Mormons here do not practice polygamy, just a study in the difference between the ones in the news and the ones we are accustomed to seeing.

Merely an observance ya see?

I do believe that if the men were to only wed adults, this would be a very healthy society within their personal belief system. (imho - from first hand observation and first hand anecdotal stories).

Grummer

heavy...

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LDNanna

mannnnn....

(long, soft breath blowing out)

Jazzberry

Check out the wiki references at the end of the article on Mormon lost boys at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_bo...fundamentalism)


Because polygamy isn’t currently a “hot” topic in the mass media at the moment it was harder to find citations for polygamists financing their lifestyle through medicaid, foodstamps and welfare. However, this website has them:

Government money and public funds pay for polygamy

Looking at the home page this is obviously not a neutral source, but they ARE providing citations from neutral sources.

LDNanna

First, I discount wiki.

Second, I was only speaking of the local fellas. I cannot possibly know about all the various groups.

Lastly, thanks for the links. Interesting albeit a bit old.

BTW, do these pics remind you of being in an eternal episode of Little House on the Prairie or what??

YFZ Ranch: a year later : San Angelo Photo Galleries : Standard-Times: Local San Angelo, Texas News Delivered Throughout the Day.

Please note the similarities of high forehead, red gold hair and cheek structure. This is what happens when you have closed polygamistic sects. There are no conversions, you must be born into this sect.

souggy

Yes, he did.

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souggy

Because in anthropology, they look at it from a socio-economic viewpoint, usually tradition of polygamy occurs in societies where resources are plentiful and a wealthy husband acts as a safety net for the girls' parents. Polyandry occurs when resources are scarce and there's not enough to distribute among the people.

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Grummer

bite this northern lights...guuuuud shhhuuuiittt.....ahhhhhh

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Grummer

its all flower power mannn

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radioman

yup.. and because of that government stepped in in ny and again in utah. many were still following old ways became offshoots. now what? its kinda like cutting head off snake and it grew 2 heads. Do we continue to cut those 2 and risk growing more then 2 heads?

Reba

Like I said, the Bible recorded the examples of polygamy but God never approved of those relationships. Every time there was an example of one of God's men taking on more wives or concubines, it turned out badly. The men were in direct disobedience to God.

Abraham and Hagar. Abraham and Sarah showed direct disobedience to God by bringing in Hagar. Sarah and Hagar's descendents have been in conflict ever since.

David and Bathsheba. Their baby died. David's kingdom was split.

The children of Jacob, Leah, and Rachel were full of jealousy, conniving, and strife, culminating in their attack on Joseph.

From the beginnings of Genesis thru the end of the Revelation, the Bible describes God's marriage plan as one man and one woman, the Bridegroom and the Bride.

sallylou

When the authorities took the kids into custody, there was evidence of child abuse, including old injuries. I don't care how well "mannered" a person is when they hurt children. I listened to some of the testimony from the last trial. It was disturbing.

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dogmom

I think it's controversial because polygamy is associated in the West with cults, child pornography and abuse. Any of those exist in the absence of polygamy also. "Cult" is also a word with many connotations hence the issue with related to polygamy.

Polygamy as it's practiced in other countries can be reflective of the societies in those countries and I am no judge of it.

sallylou

In the U.S., these groups operate in isolation and secrecy. In countries with legal polygamy, I don't think that's true. The isolaton and secrecy in the U.S. makes it more likely that people will be abused.

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dogmom

yeah, that's quite true about the isolation and secrecy though-

rebeccalj

And, when pressure in Utah too great, prophet of mormon church *suddenly* have *vision* that polygamy no longer good idea. It was reason for breakoff of many members who still believe in polygamy.

Convenient.

Same as black members. Not allowed until Civil Rights Movement took steam? Suddenly, prophet have another *vision* that black can now be baptized. I was 7 at the time and remember first black member in our church get baptized.