Freemasonry: occult or community service?

[Banjo]

It has been documented that Freemasonry has deep roots going as far back as Ancient Egypt.

[Smithtr]

that is interesting

[deafskeptic]

Originally Posted by jillio

Freemasons

The origins of Freemasonry have been so cloaked in secrecy that hard facts on how or who actually formed these fraternal organization--with their mystical overtones--remain a mystery. It seems logical that its gestation began during feudal times, when lords were given power over various tradesmen who wished to labor in their region. Everyone from minstrels to masons wass required to answer to the nobels in their charge. These feudal overseers settled disputes, granted permission to work, and also levied taxes. However, those who held control over the stonemasons had the most power, for nothing of substance could be built without the ancient knowledge of the mason trade. The desire for the skilled artisans to break free from this system, which kept them impoverished, was the catalyst behind the secret societies known as the "Freemasons". Even if the freemasonry origin mythologies are varied, one prevalent legend traces their roots to biblical times and claims the group's ritual hand signals and symbolism were first used during the construction of the Tower of Babel, when in the middle of the project, workers found they could no longer speak each other's language. Others say the crusaders, or the builders of Egypt, or perhaps the Druids passed the secret knowledge of the craft down through the centuries. It never became the union or strong trad3 guild the feudal organizers had hoped for. Instead, it developed into one of the most popular secret societies of the next 3 centuries, beginning in the 1700's. In Britain, France, and later America, membership came to confer a sense of distinction among all class of tradesmen and eventually aristocrats. Many Freemason lodges splintered and altered ceremonies, though all employed ancient symbolism. New members were initiated to secrecy, promising to uphold certain moral standards and maintain a dedication ti self-improvement under penalty of no less than death. In the earlies days, Masonic groups met with persecution from the church primarily vecayse if uts secrecy and for referring to God as "The All-Seeing Eye" or the "Great Architect." Additional bad publicity came when some Masonic ladges began practicing elements of the occult, especially adhering to the writings of Hemes Trismegistus.

God's Lunatics, pgs 205-06.

Oh yeah, I'm currently reading that book.

[deafskeptic]

Originally Posted by jillio

Me, too. I always check for accuracy in the references. One of the most accurate authors I have run across, believe it or not, is Anne Rice. She covers so many different areas, and has really done her research, especially regarding church history.

For some reason I've never been able to get into her books. Vampires are not my thing.

[deafskeptic]

Originally Posted by Dixie

Well from what little I have been around church goers, they seem to shun freemasonry in a way. I was told that a deacon of the church had been found out to be a mason and he was removed from his position as deacon and was told if he continued being a mason they would have no choice but to ask him to leave the church as masonry wasn't an accepted belief there. I don't know how true this is, and maybe this has happened at a church somewhere else.

As my personal opinion, when I think of Freemasonry, I think of a bunch of old men wearing funny hats and aprons doing secret rituals at the lodge on their weekly night to get away from the family and they also do civic duties such as donating money to schools and they will do hands-on work if they are able to.

If I am not mistaken, Freemasonry also has roots connected to old stone masons that built castles and such. To show they had been there, they would leave certain symbols in their work engraved in a stone where one could see it, but it's not obvious to the untrained eye.

I think a lot of church goers are afraid of them because of the symbolism and its secretiveness. The DaVinci Code touched on these symbols and their meanings somewhat. Also, wasn't the move 'National Treasure' also based on Freemasonry here in the United States?

My grandfather wasn't a fundie so I guess he found a church that would accept him.. I guess he found it compatiable with his main job. His death notice even mentioned that.

[purplecatty]

I came across Freemason book (some kind of Masonic "bible") at work several years ago. My co worker and I thought it was some kind of satanic book until other co worker told us that its a good organization. We quickly skimmed thru book before our supervisor catch us. Yes, there were secret ordinance ( signs and symbols pictures ect..) involved and theres no blood involved. It seem more like its part of their "sacred duty" to serve others. I have heard alot of Masons but never been in Mason Lodge before.

Catty

[purplecatty]

Originally Posted by jazzy

Freemasonry is part of Illuminati. I do not trust any of them. Joseph Smith of Mormon was a freemasonry till he left. His life was in danger from those organization.

No, its Brigham Young was a Mason before joining the Church. Joseph Smith was never a Mason. pls no argument here thanks.

Catty

[Smithtr]

PLease amen on thread locked
please respect to strong listen to proper on language proper your behavior your respect to listen to fair to proper positive!

or you have problem often again

simply said "dont' need to again talk negative"

[purplecatty]

Originally Posted by smithtr

PLease amen on thread locked
please respect to strong listen to proper on language proper your behavior your respect to listen to fair to proper positive!

or you have problem often again

simply said "dont' need to again talk negative"

Yes, I undy. I basically say "Pls no argument here" means that I don't want negative or argument here in this posting. None zip.... Of course everyone knows that. I comment positive things about FreeMason so did everyone on this Thread. Smile.

If this Thread turns ugly like they did in Religion Thread last time. Moderator would lock the post and even remove Thread.

Catty

[purplecatty]

I remember watching movie about old west that woman asked young man a favor to find her son and bring him back. Young man at first refused and she said you are member of Freemason and you promise me to get the boy. Young man submit and do as he promised her. I forgot what movie called. I think it's part of Hallmark channel.

Catty

[jazzy]

[QUOTE=purplecatty;1869187]No, its Brigham Young was a Mason before joining the Church. Joseph Smith was never a Mason. pls no argument here thanks.

Catty[

Your right it was Brigham Young, I was wrong. I watched history channel years ago so my memory is bad now. I now remember, his life was in danger after he left that is what history showed unless u tell me it was wrong.

[purplecatty]

[quote=jazzy;1869556]

Originally Posted by purplecatty

No, its Brigham Young was a Mason before joining the Church. Joseph Smith was never a Mason. pls no argument here thanks.

Catty[

Your right it was Brigham Young, I was wrong. I watched history channel years ago so my memory is bad now. I now remember, his life was in danger after he left that is what history showed unless u tell me it was wrong.

no biggie. Just for clarification purpose.

Catty

[Grummer]

i stumbled a link for downloading a freemason documentary supposed to be a real good one, but i didnt get it because doubtful its have subtitles, oh i got lazy, forgot where it is now...but thought you should know theres a newish commerical-scale documentary about it, might be worth finding it, (i cant be bothered) i know a deaf man whos a member of the freemasons he likes to drink there and they talk about some strange stuff i dunno...

[jillio]

Originally Posted by Banjo

It has been documented that Freemasonry has deep roots going as far back as Ancient Egypt.

Yes, it has.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

For some reason I've never been able to get into her books. Vampires are not my thing.

Not mine, either, but I love her style of writing and admire the amount of research that goes into her books. I actually enjoy the ones that are not vampire topics. She also wrote erotica under the name of Anne Rampling, I believe.

[deafskeptic]

Originally Posted by jillio

Not mine, either, but I love her style of writing and admire the amount of research that goes into her books. I actually enjoy the ones that are not vampire topics. She also wrote erotica under the name of Anne Rampling, I believe.

Yes she did.

[Barbaro]

[quote=jazzy;1869556]

Originally Posted by purplecatty

No, its Brigham Young was a Mason before joining the Church. Joseph Smith was never a Mason. pls no argument here thanks.

Catty[

Your right it was Brigham Young, I was wrong. I watched history channel years ago so my memory is bad now. I now remember, his life was in danger after he left that is what history showed unless u tell me it was wrong.

If the show on the History Channel points out that Joseph Smith Jr. was never a Mason, then the show is incorrect.

Joseph Smith Jr. became a Mason in 1842. His father, and his brother, Hyrum were also Masons. I believe that Hyrum joined in 1820s. Yes, that is correct. Brigham Young was a Mason. Go google and take look at old photos of Brigham Young- you will recognize his Masonic Emblem. He sometimes wore it.

[jazzy]

[quote=Barbaro;1878433]

Originally Posted by jazzy

If the show on the History Channel points out that Joseph Smith Jr. was never a Mason, then the show is incorrect.

Joseph Smith Jr. became a Mason in 1842. His father, and his brother, Hyrum were also Masons. I believe that Hyrum joined in 1820s. Yes, that is correct. Brigham Young was a Mason. Go google and take look at old photos of Brigham Young- you will recognize his Masonic Emblem. He sometimes wore it.

Thank you, I thought so too but cant remember because I saw this show years ago and stick to my mind to this day. Till she said not true.

[Barbaro]

Originally Posted by jazzy

Thank you, I thought so too but cant remember because I saw this show years ago and stick to my mind to this day. Till she said not true.

I see. Do you recall the name of the show?

[jazzy]

Originally Posted by Barbaro

I see. Do you recall the name of the show?

History of Joseph Smith came to my mind but it had been alike 20 years ago. I research on goggle on Joseph Smith and he was a freemasonry for short time till he left.

[jazzy]

I researched little bit. Freemasonry has 33 degrees, I am guessing so many people are on 1st degree and they are harmless but from what I read people with 32 or 33 degree they are trained to kill.

Many religions are against freemasonry because they are not christian occult religion organization.

[Dixie]

Originally Posted by jazzy

I researched little bit. Freemasonry has 33 degrees, I am guessing so many people are on 1st degree and they are harmless but from what I read people with 32 or 33 degree they are trained to kill.

Many religions are against freemasonry because they are not christian occult religion organization.

Dude, anyone can be trained to kill. We have soldiers, police officers, etc. that aren't masons, yet they are trained to kill. If you are a black belt in kung fu, you are trained to kill but yet are taught not to kill unless it is a last resort of self defense. Anyone that knows how to shoot a gun, knows how to kill. The list is endless, just saying that Freemasons aren't the ones we should be worried about.

[Reba]

There's a difference between knowing how and when to use deadly force, and being an assassin.

[Dixie]

Originally Posted by Reba

There's a difference between knowing how and when to use deadly force, and being an assassin.

You are ex-military, you were trained to kill in basic training. You weren't trained to be an assassin, you know the difference.

Although sniper school does sound interesting....

[Reba]

Originally Posted by Dixie

You are ex-military, you were trained to kill in basic training. You weren't trained to be an assassin, you know the difference.

No, we weren't trained how to kill in boot camp back in my day.

[yizuman]

The symbols from Freemasons is copied from the original Satanic church in England. The original structure was burned to the ground, but has since then been rebuilt. But it didn't start there, actually most of the symbols dates back 5,000 years to the Druids in Biblical times (The Canaanites) where they worshiped Ba'al (means "Master" or "Lord"), a human figure with the head of a cow.



Archaeologists found of the statue that had a pit in front of it. The statue was hollowed out for a man to fit inside of it with mechanical manipulation to the arms. Babies would be placed into the arms whereas the person manipulating the arms would drop the babies into a fiery pit and exhume them.....alive. The pit they discovered was laden with bones of babies.

The symbols found in Freemason Temples dates back to the days of the Druids, one of the oldest known religion in recorded history, among others of the day 5,000 years ago.

Yiz

[webexplorer]

Originally Posted by yizuman

The symbols from Freemasons is copied from the original Satanic church in England. The original structure was burned to the ground, but has since then been rebuilt. But it didn't start there, actually most of the symbols dates back 5,000 years to the Druids in Biblical times (The Canaanites) where they worshiped Ba'al (means "Master" or "Lord"), a human figure with the head of a cow.



Archaeologists found of the statue that had a pit in front of it. The statue was hollowed out for a man to fit inside of it with mechanical manipulation to the arms. Babies would be placed into the arms whereas the person manipulating the arms would drop the babies into a fiery pit and exhume them.....alive. The pit they discovered was laden with bones of babies.

The symbols found in Freemason Temples dates back to the days of the Druids, one of the oldest known religion in recorded history, among others of the day 5,000 years ago.

Yiz

Wow! I wonder that these babies were deaf that hearing people disapproved them due they thought that their baby were sinned or infective to the people. What a really sicko inventor!

[yizuman]

Originally Posted by webexplorer

Wow! I wonder that these babies were deaf that hearing people disapproved them due they thought that their baby were sinned or infective to the people. What a really sicko inventor!

Yiz

[jillio]

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Oh yeah, I'm currently reading that book.

Pretty interesting, isn't it? Nice to be able to sort out actual historical fact from some of the myths that go around.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by yizuman

The symbols from Freemasons is copied from the original Satanic church in England. The original structure was burned to the ground, but has since then been rebuilt. But it didn't start there, actually most of the symbols dates back 5,000 years to the Druids in Biblical times (The Canaanites) where they worshiped Ba'al (means "Master" or "Lord"), a human figure with the head of a cow.



Archaeologists found of the statue that had a pit in front of it. The statue was hollowed out for a man to fit inside of it with mechanical manipulation to the arms. Babies would be placed into the arms whereas the person manipulating the arms would drop the babies into a fiery pit and exhume them.....alive. The pit they discovered was laden with bones of babies.

The symbols found in Freemason Temples dates back to the days of the Druids, one of the oldest known religion in recorded history, among others of the day 5,000 years ago.

Yiz

Check post 22 for accurate information regarding the Freemasons.

And you need to post a link or a citation for the posts you made.