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Unread 07-21-2011, 06:11 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Just because a person makes good money doesn't mean he should live wastefully. It's foolish. My lifestyle is more of utilitarian type. Almost everything in my apt is functional. I'm not very sentimental so I don't hold onto old stuff. Almost everything in my apt is enough to fit into my truck to move out to somewhere except bed and desk.

Beside - I don't make enough to buy another bike
I thought you meant that you were tight on budget, sorry my mistake.
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Unread 07-21-2011, 10:46 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Sorry if i was missing something. Whose "she" were you referring to? A maid or nanny?
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Unread 07-21-2011, 10:49 PM   #123 (permalink)
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There is a store at Chautauqua Mall in Lakewood, NY. It's not far from Allegany State Park where I often go to stay at. They have a store there called, "Dutch Valley Home Furnishings".

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The quality is absolutely fabulous! I always love to take a look in the store every time I go to that mall.
We see a lot of Amish furniture around here too. The quality is much better than what is mass produced, that's for sure!
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Unread 07-21-2011, 10:50 PM   #124 (permalink)
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its true..we are catholic, and we are members of a cathedral..and we are 1 of 2 large families, and ours is larger.

i would like to throw this out, and it has NOTHING to do with this at all, so please forgive me but...i am tired of idiots asking me if all of my kids "have the same dad". every.single.time. i leave the house with my band of heathens i get asked this by at least 1 person.
i wouldnt ask that of someone with 2 kids, for that matter..how rude!!!
That is extremely rude. My father was Catholic...I am very used to large families!
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Unread 07-21-2011, 10:52 PM   #125 (permalink)
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the problem is lack of volunteers and funding period. I do know there are places in my town like the bagel factory that donates their leftover bagels to the mission. But it's usually up to the mission to send someone to get the food and at their own expense. So, it's a matter of tracking down which places would be willing to donate leftover food and hooking them up to the soup kitchens or food pantries then deciding who should be footing the transport costs.
We have several restuarants, Sam's Club, and Walmart that donate to the DV shelter, the men's shelter, and the churches running soup kitchens. Olive Garden is one of the biggest restaurant donators.
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Unread 07-21-2011, 11:01 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Women who are educated have fewer children. When you help mothers raise their standard of living, you automatically help their children. If you're concerned about these social issues, support programs that help women at home and abroad.
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Unread 07-22-2011, 12:27 AM   #127 (permalink)
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Utah has lot of BIG families. When my friend went to visit Utah last year and he told me it was VERY clean and looks perfect and new everywhere. It seems that Salt Lake City metro area changed a lot since the last 10 years.
I was at souvenirs shop nearby Zion National Park, I met this cashier clerk around in her late 70s or mid 80s she told me she has 16 children, 64 grandchildren and 84 great-grandchildren. WHOA!!! A kind of common for Mormon (non-polygamist) families.
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this might sound tongue in cheek, but our child having streak slowed down considerably when the internet/decent video games came into being.
maybe we need to outfit the poor with ps3s and cracked.com.
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Unread 07-23-2011, 12:16 AM   #130 (permalink)
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this might sound tongue in cheek, but our child having streak slowed down considerably when the internet/decent video games came into being.
maybe we need to outfit the poor with ps3s and cracked.com.
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Unread 07-23-2011, 12:37 AM   #131 (permalink)
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because i think i would rather be playing fallout 3, i think. or making pointless posts around the internet. *thats pretty bad, isnt it??*
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Unread 07-23-2011, 12:45 AM   #132 (permalink)
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Women who are educated have fewer children. When you help mothers raise their standard of living, you automatically help their children. If you're concerned about these social issues, support programs that help women at home and abroad.
Well that statement might have some truth to it, but what is there to say about the other percentage that are educated but still have many children? I'd love to get the percentage of that... On another note, I do think more focus needs to be put on teen pregnancy. It's down, but not down enough.
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Utah has lot of BIG families. When my friend went to visit Utah last year and he told me it was VERY clean and looks perfect and new everywhere. It seems that Salt Lake City metro area changed a lot since the last 10 years.
I was at souvenirs shop nearby Zion National Park, I met this cashier clerk around in her late 70s or mid 80s she told me she has 16 children, 64 grandchildren and 84 great-grandchildren. WHOA!!! A kind of common for Mormon (non-polygamist) families.
Yep that's how Utah is.
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Unread 07-23-2011, 12:57 PM   #134 (permalink)
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because i think i would rather be playing fallout 3, i think. or making pointless posts around the internet. *thats pretty bad, isnt it??*
No, it's just honest! More women and men need to be honest about the topic. Everyone wants others to believe that they are having sex all the time, and want it even more.
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Unread 07-23-2011, 12:59 PM   #135 (permalink)
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Well that statement might have some truth to it, but what is there to say about the other percentage that are educated but still have many children? I'd love to get the percentage of that... On another note, I do think more focus needs to be put on teen pregnancy. It's down, but not down enough.
Well, I think what sallylou was referring to was not so much education, but women who earned their degrees with the intent of going into a career. They are focusing on their career at a time when women in the past were generally starting their families. They postpone childbearing, often times into their 30's and even early 40's. As a result, they simply don't have the reproduction capability to have large families.
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Unread 07-23-2011, 01:22 PM   #136 (permalink)
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I think if a proper registration website was created, and more restaurants knew where to go then this would be a great idea. About the fda thing, I'm sure there are more germs from it sitting open in a restaurant then being transported. Its sounds like a bunch of crap to me. I don't understand, clean spoon, spoon goes in dish to retrieve left overs, left overs in clean container.. I don't get it?
Hot foods are supposed to be kept at a certain temperature, and cold foods likewise. If they are donated and taken off the premises without temp. controls, the fear is the foods could be contaminated or spoiled before they are eaten. Then who would be responsible for people in a homeless shelter getting sick from it - the original restaurant, the transporters, the shelter for serving it?

No one wants to open that can o' worms, so as a result, food gets wasted.

Sometimes I think we worry too much, but I have known personally of one large picnic where food, including stuff like egg salad made with mayonnaise, was sitting out for a long time in the heat, and nearly everyone (more than 50 people) got sick from it. People who didn't eat that egg salad were fine.

I had a bad case of food poisoning myself once (different incident) and was SO sick for 4 days, I lost 10 lbs. and became quite dehydrated.

So...probably better to be safe with food handling than to take chances on it.

Edited to add: I'm talking here about not donating food from buffets, since that was the conversation at the time. Restaurants that have left-over food that has not been sitting out are in a different situation.
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Unread 07-23-2011, 02:19 PM   #137 (permalink)
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It's been proven that when a country descends into famine, the government collapses. They call that "the failing state". Somalia is one such example, Haiti another. Chad yet another.
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Unread 07-23-2011, 02:30 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Women who are educated have fewer children. When you help mothers raise their standard of living, you automatically help their children. If you're concerned about these social issues, support programs that help women at home and abroad.
I much be an educated woman as I had only one baby! I know women that do not have any kids and they have no plans to have any. 2 women calls their dogs their kids and one had photos of her dogs all over the house!
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Unread 07-23-2011, 02:49 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Let me be more specific. Women want their children to have resources and opportunities. When that is within reach, women limit the number of children. To have a large number of children reduces resources (including time and energy for each child). For this to exist, there are 2 requirements. First, women have to perceive that resources and opportunities are truly within reach (and not a long shot). Second, women must have control over their reproductive lives. The former is hampered by social factors and lack of power. The latter is prevented by religion and political groups.

Research shows that women want access to birth control where it does not exist. I have a friend who works for the Carter Foundation and she's in Africa now. They are working to eradicate parasites in the water supply.
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Hot foods are supposed to be kept at a certain temperature, and cold foods likewise. If they are donated and taken off the premises without temp. controls, the fear is the foods could be contaminated or spoiled before they are eaten. Then who would be responsible for people in a homeless shelter getting sick from it - the original restaurant, the transporters, the shelter for serving it?

No one wants to open that can o' worms, so as a result, food gets wasted.

Sometimes I think we worry too much, but I have known personally of one large picnic where food, including stuff like egg salad made with mayonnaise, was sitting out for a long time in the heat, and nearly everyone (more than 50 people) got sick from it. People who didn't eat that egg salad were fine.

I had a bad case of food poisoning myself once (different incident) and was SO sick for 4 days, I lost 10 lbs. and became quite dehydrated.

So...probably better to be safe with food handling than to take chances on it.

Edited to add: I'm talking here about not donating food from buffets, since that was the conversation at the time. Restaurants that have left-over food that has not been sitting out are in a different situation.
The restaurants and grocery stores I have experience with donating always freeze the food products before donation.
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Let me be more specific. Women want their children to have resources and opportunities. When that is within reach, women limit the number of children. To have a large number of children reduces resources (including time and energy for each child). For this to exist, there are 2 requirements. First, women have to perceive that resources and opportunities are truly within reach (and not a long shot). Second, women must have control over their reproductive lives. The former is hampered by social factors and lack of power. The latter is prevented by religion and political groups.

Research shows that women want access to birth control where it does not exist. I have a friend who works for the Carter Foundation and she's in Africa now. They are working to eradicate parasites in the water supply.
I can relate to what you are saying. I decided to have only one child because my first was deaf and I didn't have the resources to tend to all of his needs, plus have enough left over for a second child. The second child would have gotten the short end of the stick, and therefore, I made the decision to stop with my son.
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Let me be more specific. Women want their children to have resources and opportunities. When that is within reach, women limit the number of children. To have a large number of children reduces resources (including time and energy for each child). For this to exist, there are 2 requirements. First, women have to perceive that resources and opportunities are truly within reach (and not a long shot). Second, women must have control over their reproductive lives. The former is hampered by social factors and lack of power. The latter is prevented by religion and political groups.

Research shows that women want access to birth control where it does not exist. I have a friend who works for the Carter Foundation and she's in Africa now. They are working to eradicate parasites in the water supply.
Good points, Time had a recent article on this topic, featuring several studies, including the findings in the latest US Census and a very interesting study conducted in Norway.

Basically, having children prevent women from continuing their education, many women who have children early aren't able to stay in school.

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It's been proven that when a country descends into famine, the government collapses. They call that "the failing state". Somalia is one such example, Haiti another. Chad yet another.
somalia's government did not collapse because of famine there is famine because there was no government to prepare for the predicted severe drought. somalia's state is due to infighting, tribe politics, and foriegn intrests.

and as for haiti and chad their situation didn't just appear because of the drought developing countries can't compete with huge corporations which show up and exploit them to keep them poor. basically north america and europe are only rich because they took advantage of what we now call the third world.
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somalia's government did not collapse because of famine there is famine because there was no government to prepare for the predicted severe drought. somalia's state is due to infighting, tribe politics, and foriegn intrests.

and as for haiti and chad their situation didn't just appear because of the drought developing countries can't compete with huge corporations which show up and exploit them to keep them poor. basically north america and europe are only rich because they took advantage of what we now call the third world.
A country can be ridden with war, politics and foreign services and not have a governmental collapse (look at south korea as an example) but once famine enters the picture, government will collapse for it's impossible to exert control over people starving to death. In Somalia's case, it collapsed from famine, disease, lack of water and food, all results of infighting, piracy, tribe politics and foreign interests.

similar situations in haiti where famine is becoming a very serious problem (particularly after the earthquake and also because of lack of fertile farm land due to the disastrous environmental impact of deforestation) and also in chad. In fact, because of my advocacy work for elephants, I'm aware the famine problem has become so severe in Chad that protected wildlife parks are raided for food and the government doesn't have enough funds to deal with this - no money to pay soldiers to patrol the parks, even though many of the animals, including elephants are on the critically endangered list and is protected by international law. When government can no longer exert control over the population nor be able to protect its resources because of famine, it will collapse.
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"A country can be ridden with war, politics and foreign services and not have a governmental collapse" you are right about that
what i'm saying is in somalia's case the goverment collapsed in 91 after the president siade barre was ousted. ever since different groups have had a tug of war over power.

"When government can no longer exert control over the population nor be able to protect its resources because of famine, it will collapse." aslo true so i agree famine can be a direct cause of the collapse of a governement. there are also many indirect causes. If it weren't for the uneven distribution of wealth where 20% of the worlds population controls 80% of the worlds resources countries in the third world would be able to ensure that even when environmental conditions aren't good that their people won't starve.
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"A country can be ridden with war, politics and foreign services and not have a governmental collapse" you are right about that
what i'm saying is in somalia's case the goverment collapsed in 91 after the president siade barre was ousted. ever since different groups have had a tug of war over power.

"When government can no longer exert control over the population nor be able to protect its resources because of famine, it will collapse." aslo true so i agree famine can be a direct cause of the collapse of a governement. there are also many indirect causes. If it weren't for the uneven distribution of wealth where 20% of the worlds population controls 80% of the worlds resources countries in the third world would be able to ensure that even when environmental conditions aren't good that their people won't starve.
Foreign interest play a huge hand in corruption and warfare.
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I completely agree both private enterprises and more powerful states will fuel warfare as long as it profits them and considering the billions made selling weapons around the world not to mention how supporting the side which benifets them is extreemly profitable. It's like the developing world is one giant monopoly boardgame

there are plenty of groups and people who would lose a huge amount in invested money if there were world peace
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Here's a little known fact, without oil, we wouldn't be able to sustain a population of more than 500 million on Earth. We didn't hit the first billion until the beginning of the 18th century.

You are stating the oil and coal provide the means to gather the resources needed to sustain the population and is credited with the rise of mercantilism, no argument there. However, today what sustains our population today is genetic engineering. Currently, we have the capability to feed the entire world and this promotes the ability to avoid war(a major check on population). In addition, modern medicine has eradicated major plagues(another major check on population). Oil and coal can be replaced by nuclear and solar energy and, in fact, this will be the case as oil reserves run out. Oil and coal are still widely used because of political reasons rather than the need to sustain population, at this point.
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No need for population control. The more educated people are, the more we understand our children have better chance of surviving subverting the Malthusan equation.



In other words, our legacy can still be passed on via 1 or 2 children as a result of a deeper understanding of what the consequence of overpopulation.
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American Indian tribes too.
American Indian tribes use birth control , they did not have babies if there was not enough food.
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