Zoos - good or bad

**saywhatkid** · 06-14-2011, 01:46 PM

Saw this topic being discussed in another thread. How do you feel about zoos?

**saywhatkid** · 06-14-2011, 01:53 PM

I like some aspects of zoos. They create a sense of wonder for young people, and that might encourage them to become involved more. They also might be a way to keep some species alive longer. However, the animals they have are not kept in such a way that they are totally natural, and in some cases, are nasty.

**Jiro** · 06-14-2011, 01:59 PM

there are 2 types of zoo - one that is simple and local... purely funded by donations and volunteers... which I support.

and the other type of zoo which I don't like - something like San Diego Zoo. very commercialized and entertainment-oriented type.

DeafCaroline · 06-14-2011, 02:23 PM

first and last time I am touching upon this subject! This may provide some food for thought: it's a PDF download - no viruses, I promise.

The Conservation Fallacy

whatdidyousay! · 06-14-2011, 02:59 PM

My niece use to work in a zoo in Boston and she the worst part was deal with the pubic! People did not pay attentions to the rules about what NOT to feed the animals and this would put them at great risk of chocking on the something or getting sick!! People gave monkeys lollipop and the stick was a danger to the monkeys! I think the worst part about the zoo it is when there not enough people visiting the zoos run low on money and that mean they can't take good care of the animals. This happen where my niece worked. She left as she could not deal with the the stupid public!! If there was a family with 3 kids or more all the kids wanted a pamphlet too either if they could not read! And the parents demanded them, my niece tried to tell the parents that the zoo is in low on money and it they're only giving one pamphlet per family, but the parents did not care, their kids wanted a pamphlet too! It is too bad that some people do not understand when they take more than they need it take money away from the animals! My niece could not believe how the public treated the poor animals!!

StSapphire · 06-14-2011, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

first and last time I am touching upon this subject! This may provide some food for thought: it's a PDF download - no viruses, I promise.

The Conservation Fallacy

Just a note - starting a paper like that with a quote about circus animals does not give me much hope that they're going to be objective, though I'm still starting to read it.

rockin'robin · 06-14-2011, 03:58 PM

We've had good experiences with the Jax Zoo in my city....lots of walking and the animals seemed to be well fed and in a natural environment that was suited for them. The most shocking thing was seeing 2 elephants mating when my son was about 6....I couldn't explain that...but we will go again this summer since school is out.

**saywhatkid** · 06-14-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

We've had good experiences with the Jax Zoo in my city....lots of walking and the animals seemed to be well fed and in a natural environment that was suited for them. The most shocking thing was seeing 2 elephants mating when my son was about 6....I couldn't explain that...but we will go again this summer since school is out.

Did that "create a sense of wonder" for him?

**sequoias** · 06-14-2011, 05:02 PM

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It depends on the zoo and the space, donations, natural beauty and all the other reasons. So I have mixed feelings about zoos.

rolling7 · 06-14-2011, 06:34 PM

Same way I feel about prison.....only people/animals that really, really deserve to be behind bars should be put there.

jillio · 06-14-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

Wirelessly posted (sent from a smartphone. )

It depends on the zoo and the space, donations, natural beauty and all the other reasons. So I have mixed feelings about zoos.

True, that. Some zoos are very well maintained and very animal centered. Others are deplorable in their conditions.

rockin'robin · 06-14-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Did that "create a sense of wonder" for him?

....Dunno...guess he thought the elephant was "sticking up" the other elephant...all I remmy was that I hurried the boys along, and my other 2 were laughing, I got irritated and said...."Hurry it up....we haven't got all day!"....I went "deaf and dumb" for the rest of the zoo trip.....(see no evil...hear no evil...dunno if the elephants were having fun or not).

**Phillips** · 06-14-2011, 07:29 PM

Vote Yes...

jazzy · 06-14-2011, 07:42 PM

It is hard to say here, I never really agree with what they did to animals by trap them from wild and bring them to zoo for show and tell. But I think if endanger animals need to be saved and re population them then I guess it is all right. Other day we went to feed store and saw baby quails in little cage and I was upset because I thought they catch wild quails to keep them in cage then they lay eggs for $ or eat them. mixed feelings.

**Banjo** · 06-14-2011, 08:14 PM

Well, I think the animals would be better off living in their intended natural environment. At least for their well-being, it would be.

**Beowulf** · 06-14-2011, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

first and last time I am touching upon this subject! This may provide some food for thought: it's a PDF download - no viruses, I promise.

The Conservation Fallacy

A very interesting and revealing article. I agree with it that zoos do not make the public more interested in conservation and with with one sentence in particular: "A zoo filled with empty cages might be a more realistic way to convey the impending loss of species."

**KristinaB** · 06-14-2011, 09:32 PM

I have seen mostly good with the zoos and places I have seen. I was not really please with the care of the animals at Circus World or Sea World in Orlando, FL, but that was also back in the 70's and I am hoping they've learned a few things. I have been to the St. Louis Zoo, the Dreher Park Zoo (WPB, FL) and Lion Country Safari (WPB, FL). They all treated the animals very well and with respect. My kids will not go to a zoo again as they do not like the animals being caged up, but the good thing about the St. Louis Zoo is, when a person has an exotic animal and it is removed for whatever reason, most times, the zoo will take them if it is in their capacity. I know of an incident where someone had an elephant in their back pasture. Needless to say, that poor animal was not doing well and the Zoo took him in.

***VamPyroX*** · 06-14-2011, 11:00 PM

I would take my kids to the zoo. It would be for educational purposes and also to help them overcome their fear of animals.

I remember going to the zoo with my family a couple years ago. My nephew kept asking us when we were going to see the tigers. When we finally saw the tigers, he hid behind the wall and out of sight (it was a bridge view with glass windows). He refused to see the tigers. When we finally left, he kept bragging to everyone... "Hey, guess what!? I saw tigers!"

**TXgolfer** · 06-15-2011, 12:21 AM

I love going to the zoo. Just like everything....some are good and some are bad. I give the FW zoo alot of credit the animals there seem well cared for. I have been to a zoo where the animals were poorly cared for...that was horrible. off topic but I HATE the circus.

**Jiro** · 06-15-2011, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I would take my kids to the zoo. It would be for educational purposes and also to help them overcome their fear of animals.

I remember going to the zoo with my family a couple years ago. My nephew kept asking us when we were going to see the tigers. When we finally saw the tigers, he hid behind the wall and out of sight (it was a bridge view with glass windows). He refused to see the tigers. When we finally left, he kept bragging to everyone... "Hey, guess what!? I saw tigers!"

cute story

but... I can't say same for your nephew's future children. Tigers are becoming extinct. Their future is very bleak as of now.

**Banjo** · 06-15-2011, 12:56 AM

Well, I can assure you that Buffalo Zoo is one zoo I would like to see closed. The large animals live in very small spaces.

Glenn · 06-15-2011, 01:15 AM

I've got to vote Mixed Feelings.

I've been to the Portland Zoo a couple of times. It's a nice zoo, but I can't help but think that some of the animals in captivity are not having the freedom they should have.

But on the other hand, some animals will fare better in the zoo. The eagle with one blind eye would not have done as well in the wild.

ladysolitary85 · 06-15-2011, 05:36 AM

I like them better than the circus....

dogmom · 06-15-2011, 06:01 AM

I have very mixed feelings on zoos.

**shel90** · 06-15-2011, 06:12 AM

I have mixed feelings. Like Banjo said, if there is a zoo with large animals in small cages, I wouldnt like that at all.

**sequoias** · 06-15-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

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Originally Posted by sequoias

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It depends on the zoo and the space, donations, natural beauty and all the other reasons. So I have mixed feelings about zoos.

True, that. Some zoos are very well maintained and very animal centered. Others are deplorable in their conditions.

Yeah for example Omaha Zoo is well maintanced, have good space for large animals, good natural beauty matches them, etc. Its a nice zoo to visit.

**Smithtr** · 06-15-2011, 11:07 AM

It is very pretty good love zoo is beautiful! good I love animal interesting learn it!

jillio · 06-20-2011, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockin'robin

....Dunno...guess he thought the elephant was "sticking up" the other elephant...all I remmy was that I hurried the boys along, and my other 2 were laughing, I got irritated and said...."Hurry it up....we haven't got all day!"....I went "deaf and dumb" for the rest of the zoo trip.....(see no evil...hear no evil...dunno if the elephants were having fun or not).

One of those uncomfortable parenting moments!

jillio · 06-20-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

Wirelessly posted (sent from a smartphone. )

Yeah for example Omaha Zoo is well maintanced, have good space for large animals, good natural beauty matches them, etc. Its a nice zoo to visit.

The Columbus Zoo is amazing, too. And the Cincinnati Zoo is right up there.

Glenn · 06-21-2011, 12:35 AM

Some of my ex's relatives can be seen at the zoo.

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06-14-2011, 01:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
saywhatkid Emerging from the sun Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In space Posts: 7,242 Blog Entries: 2	Zoos - good or bad Saw this topic being discussed in another thread. How do you feel about zoos? __________________ "Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies." ~ Mother Teresa

06-14-2011, 01:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
saywhatkid Emerging from the sun Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In space Posts: 7,242 Blog Entries: 2	I like some aspects of zoos. They create a sense of wonder for young people, and that might encourage them to become involved more. They also might be a way to keep some species alive longer. However, the animals they have are not kept in such a way that they are totally natural, and in some cases, are nasty. __________________ "Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies." ~ Mother Teresa

06-14-2011, 01:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 60,502	there are 2 types of zoo - one that is simple and local... purely funded by donations and volunteers... which I support. and the other type of zoo which I don't like - something like San Diego Zoo. very commercialized and entertainment-oriented type. hellos245 likes this. __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

06-14-2011, 07:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
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06-14-2011, 02:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
DeafCaroline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,889	first and last time I am touching upon this subject! This may provide some food for thought: it's a PDF download - no viruses, I promise. The Conservation Fallacy

06-14-2011, 02:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
whatdidyousay! Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 8,606	My niece use to work in a zoo in Boston and she the worst part was deal with the pubic! People did not pay attentions to the rules about what NOT to feed the animals and this would put them at great risk of chocking on the something or getting sick!! People gave monkeys lollipop and the stick was a danger to the monkeys! I think the worst part about the zoo it is when there not enough people visiting the zoos run low on money and that mean they can't take good care of the animals. This happen where my niece worked. She left as she could not deal with the the stupid public!! If there was a family with 3 kids or more all the kids wanted a pamphlet too either if they could not read! And the parents demanded them, my niece tried to tell the parents that the zoo is in low on money and it they're only giving one pamphlet per family, but the parents did not care, their kids wanted a pamphlet too! It is too bad that some people do not understand when they take more than they need it take money away from the animals! My niece could not believe how the public treated the poor animals!!

06-14-2011, 03:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,278	We've had good experiences with the Jax Zoo in my city....lots of walking and the animals seemed to be well fed and in a natural environment that was suited for them. The most shocking thing was seeing 2 elephants mating when my son was about 6....I couldn't explain that...but we will go again this summer since school is out.

06-14-2011, 05:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
sequoias Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa, the land of the cornfields and pigs Posts: 21,856	Wirelessly posted (sent from a smartphone. ) It depends on the zoo and the space, donations, natural beauty and all the other reasons. So I have mixed feelings about zoos.

06-14-2011, 06:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Same way I feel about prison.....only people/animals that really, really deserve to be behind bars should be put there.

06-14-2011, 07:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
jazzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: High desert in Calif Posts: 4,208	It is hard to say here, I never really agree with what they did to animals by trap them from wild and bring them to zoo for show and tell. But I think if endanger animals need to be saved and re population them then I guess it is all right. Other day we went to feed store and saw baby quails in little cage and I was upset because I thought they catch wild quails to keep them in cage then they lay eggs for $ or eat them. mixed feelings. __________________

06-14-2011, 08:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	Well, I think the animals would be better off living in their intended natural environment. At least for their well-being, it would be.

06-14-2011, 09:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,768	I have seen mostly good with the zoos and places I have seen. I was not really please with the care of the animals at Circus World or Sea World in Orlando, FL, but that was also back in the 70's and I am hoping they've learned a few things. I have been to the St. Louis Zoo, the Dreher Park Zoo (WPB, FL) and Lion Country Safari (WPB, FL). They all treated the animals very well and with respect. My kids will not go to a zoo again as they do not like the animals being caged up, but the good thing about the St. Louis Zoo is, when a person has an exotic animal and it is removed for whatever reason, most times, the zoo will take them if it is in their capacity. I know of an incident where someone had an elephant in their back pasture. Needless to say, that poor animal was not doing well and the Zoo took him in.

06-14-2011, 11:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 40.18, 58.41 Posts: 34,139	I would take my kids to the zoo. It would be for educational purposes and also to help them overcome their fear of animals. I remember going to the zoo with my family a couple years ago. My nephew kept asking us when we were going to see the tigers. When we finally saw the tigers, he hid behind the wall and out of sight (it was a bridge view with glass windows). He refused to see the tigers. When we finally left, he kept bragging to everyone... "Hey, guess what!? I saw tigers!" __________________ Check out my city... C L I C K H E R E! (If you've already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

06-15-2011, 12:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
TXgolfer Dream Weaver Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 17,605	I love going to the zoo. Just like everything....some are good and some are bad. I give the FW zoo alot of credit the animals there seem well cared for. I have been to a zoo where the animals were poorly cared for...that was horrible. off topic but I HATE the circus. StSapphire likes this. __________________ Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. - Romans 12:21 Sometimes at night, I see their faces. I feel the traces they've left on my soul

06-15-2011, 12:56 AM	#21 (permalink)
Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	Well, I can assure you that Buffalo Zoo is one zoo I would like to see closed. The large animals live in very small spaces.

06-15-2011, 01:15 AM	#22 (permalink)
Glenn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 2,909	I've got to vote Mixed Feelings. I've been to the Portland Zoo a couple of times. It's a nice zoo, but I can't help but think that some of the animals in captivity are not having the freedom they should have. But on the other hand, some animals will fare better in the zoo. The eagle with one blind eye would not have done as well in the wild.

06-15-2011, 05:36 AM	#23 (permalink)
ladysolitary85 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: CA Posts: 1,512	I like them better than the circus.... StSapphire likes this.

06-15-2011, 06:01 AM	#24 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,471	I have very mixed feelings on zoos.

06-15-2011, 06:12 AM	#25 (permalink)
shel90 Let It Snow!!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A place where crabs are popular Posts: 40,290 Blog Entries: 3	I have mixed feelings. Like Banjo said, if there is a zoo with large animals in small cages, I wouldnt like that at all. __________________ "Wine improves with age. The older I get, the better I like it." --- Anonymous

06-15-2011, 11:07 AM	#27 (permalink)
Smithtr Siberian Husky Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 14,655	It is very pretty good love zoo is beautiful! good I love animal interesting learn it!

06-21-2011, 12:35 AM	#30 (permalink)
Glenn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 2,909	Some of my ex's relatives can be seen at the zoo.

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