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Unread 05-27-2011, 12:46 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Sometimes an Executive Order by the president requires that A.A. be implemented such as hiring more people with disabilities.

Affirmative Action News: Increasing Employment of People with Disabilities in Federal Agencies

Hiring 100,000 more people with disabilities certainly sounds like a quota to me.
um... it's no different with Clinton's plan to hire 1000+ more police officers.
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Unread 05-27-2011, 01:34 PM   #62 (permalink)
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That has virtually nothing to do with the situation Vampy was describing and Jiro was responding to. The issue there was if the testing procedures used were biased against minorities. It was decided they were not. So Affirmative Action worked in that case. No one was promoted based on race only, but solely on qualification.
Not originally. NO ONE was promoted at all, even though they qualified, strictly because they weren't the "right" race. The firefighters had to initiate a lawsuit to fight for their earned promotions.
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Unread 05-27-2011, 01:38 PM   #63 (permalink)
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The ADA does not provide for the same things that Affirmative Action does, unless you consider being a middle class white female to be a disability.
He was referring to your post about disabled veterans. Is the middle class white female a veteran with a disability?
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Unread 05-27-2011, 01:41 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Not originally. NO ONE was promoted at all, even though they qualified, strictly because they weren't the "right" race. The firefighters had to initiate a lawsuit to fight for their earned promotions.
But the one's who met the qualifications were promoted in the end, based solely on test scores. Your point?

Women, ethnic minorites, and racial minorities have been fighting for their opportunity to even be hired, much less promoted, for hundreds of years. The white guys had to fight this time. Oh, well.
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Unread 05-27-2011, 01:41 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Not originally. NO ONE was promoted at all, even though they qualified, strictly because they weren't the "right" race. The firefighters had to initiate a lawsuit to fight for their earned promotions.
I am not sure, but I think you asked a question in another thread: If a policeman kills a civilian without cause, should all policemen suffer the consequences and have their guns taken away? The same question can be applied here: would you let a single bad incident condemn the entire Affirmative Action program?
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Unread 05-27-2011, 01:41 PM   #66 (permalink)
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He was referring to your post about disabled veterans. Is the middle class white female a veteran with a disability?
And my reply is the same. AA provides for things that the ADA does not.
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Unread 05-27-2011, 02:34 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Each year, thousands of military personnel stationed around the world leave active duty and seek to return to jobs they held before entering the service or look to find their first, or new, civilian jobs. According to government statistics, between October 2001 and February, 2008, more than 30,000(1) veterans returned home with service-connected disabilities (e.g., amputations, burns, post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and traumatic brain injuries).(2)

At least two federal laws provide important protections for veterans with disabilities. The Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA), which is enforced by the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL), sets forth the requirements for reemploying veterans with and without service-connected disabilities. Title I of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) enforces, prohibits private and state and local government employers with 15 or more employees from discriminating against individuals on the basis of disability. Title I of the ADA also generally requires covered employers to make reasonable accommodations – changes in the workplace or in the way things are usually done that provide individuals with disabilities equal employment opportunities. Section 501 of the Rehabilitation Act applies the same standards of non-discrimination and reasonable accommodation as the ADA to Federal Executive Branch agencies and the United States Postal Service...
...The ADA prohibits discrimination “against a qualified individual with a disability because of the disability of such individual.” However, the law neither prohibits nor requires affirmative action on behalf of individuals with disabilities. An employer, therefore, may--but is not required to--hire a qualified individual with a disability (including a veteran with a service-connected disability) over a qualified applicant without a disability.
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Unread 05-27-2011, 02:37 PM   #68 (permalink)
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He was referring to your post about disabled veterans. Is the middle class white female a veteran with a disability?
It would not change anything. ADA and AA have different intents.
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Unread 05-27-2011, 02:37 PM   #69 (permalink)
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And, as I said, the two serve different purposes. Now back to the topic...is AA racist or not, and why.
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