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Judge Defies Prosecutors on Pornography Sentence
I find this article extremely interesting. As much as I abhor child pornography... I have to agree with Judge Weinstein.

Do you agree with Judge Weinstein or not? why?

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posts from hell

I have been doing some research with the laws here lately... and I have to agree with the Judge.

We've evolved as a society to want to be cruel to our offenders, but forget these cruel intentions never do us any good in general. All we need to do is take 1 peek at Norway. Noway won't extradite people to America because we're not complying with Human Rights movement. Think about that one you folks. *looks at dixie*

Beowulf

Dank dungeons, guillotines and torture chambers. Some people want those back. How depressing.

jenniifer

No, but I also don't want someone committing sexual abuse, or worse, to my children so that they can make a few $$ selling pictures and videos of it to people like this defendant. I don't care if he had a hard life or not, lots of people have hard lives and do not condone the abuse of children (which is what buying child porn is).

It has pretty much been proven that people like him cannot be cured of their "interests" so why take a chance and leave them to roam society, possibly making more victims, ruining more lives? Between that and the dank dungeon, I think I would prefer the dungeon. Besides, jail isn't such a bad place for those convicted of these types of crimes - for the most part, they do not put them in with the general population, because that usually means certain death. Even rapists and murderers look down on pedophiles. No, they go into protected areas, probably with others just like them, where they can sit around and compare their collections of porn, stories, technique, what have you. That doesn't sound so bad, does it? Nah. Now if they really wanted to punish these guys, they would just throw them to the wolves, in with the rest of the prisoners, and let them deal with them. That may be even better than the dungeon, in my opinion.

Beowulf

Do you have first-hand knowledge of prison life? Get real.

Tousi

Don't forget cheap and chippy choppers......nevermind, I see you included the guillotine.

Banjo

Only people who are demented would want such things back.

souggy

Before sprouting about recidivism and stating they cannot be "cured," one has to look at the whole picture.

• People with criminal records have harder time finding jobs
• People who cannot find jobs are more likely to commit a crime twice
• People who are unable to find a home are more likely to commit a crime to spend a night in the drunk tank or seek shelter in the penal system
• Unstable people are likely to re-offend to gain stability in their life again
• Pedophilia relies on being covert
• People who are covert, the more often they get away with something, the more it solidify they can do it again, and again
• We still have no idea why people commit pedophilia

So essentially, we are responsible for our own revolving door.

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Dixie

WTF? What do I have to with any human rights? Yeah I was a victim of sexual abuse as a child and I believe in tough sentencing coupled with proper counseling and rehabilitation in hopes that the offender does not offend again when he/she is released from incarceration. But at the same time we don't need to baby offenders around claiming we might do them 'harm'. Some aren't even sorry for what they did and they will find a way to go back and do it again. Some are sorry, but only because they got caught. Only a very very few are actually remorseful for what they have done through and through. Those are the ones that usually seek help in some form or way by either turning themselves in when they are caught by a family member or other person. They may have gotten into porn at a very young age and slowly ventured in to child pornography thinking 'one peek won't hurt' but then find themselves hopelessly mesmerized and can't stop.

Yes, I still remain steadfast in my belief in tough sentencing for those who commit crimes involving children as children are defenseless against perpetrators. Just because the guy only viewed the child porn doesn't make him any less innocent than the guy who actually had the child in their care and was forcing the child to perform sex acts and pose in sexual poses naked. When a person buys child porn from a supplier, they enable that supplier to go out and harm a child again and again. The child is still being harmed.

I have to disagree with the judge on this one. The pedo should have been immediately sentenced and jailed and while waiting for a bed at a prison he could be starting counseling and therapy to begin his path to not re-offending again. But because pornography is a weakness for many pedos that is why when they are released they are barred from owning or using a computer so that they cannot even gain access to it. It's like having a recovered alcoholic go to a bar and expect them not to drink when everyone else is drinking and having a good time. Because the computer is often in the privacy of one's home, there's no one there to watch them to make sure they don't go there so they just remove the temptation altogether.

My opinion is tough sentencing with counseling and rehabilitation is the best route to go. We can give these people the best chance possible to not reoffend.

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jillio

Make that two of us. It is getting very tiresome the way that we put minor players in these things in jail and let the ones actually responsible for the problem get away scot free.

Same thing with imprisoning a drug user while the cartels keep pumping the drugs in and saying we are doing something to win the war on drugs. Sheer stupidity.

jenniifer

Sure I do. I have a good friend who did a good amount of time, my son's grandfather did 12 years for armed robbery, and an aunt (no blood relation, she was married to my mother's brother before she murdered him in 1980) who gets out on parole next month. Because of her mostly, I have made it my business to know what goes on. I also don't live under a log. What would you like to know?

Beowulf

That's not first-hand knowledge. You haven't been in prison, so how would you really know? I know.

Miss-Delectable

If someone is brave enough to fund a study into Pedophilia then we might be able to find an answer but only very few are willing to undertake or fund this sort of study.

As for the sentencing- I dunno if it's justified or not. Either way, he's ended up in jail.

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Jiro

touch-stance approach has failed America for centuries but nobody cares because it's profitable. insanely profitable. our prison system is largely privatized. it's a multi-billion dollars business for corporations.... paid by taxpayers.

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Glenn

O_o

You do?

Banjo

Yeah, they don't call him Bubba for nothing.

ember

So how does the cycle end if we keep giving them breaks? He was molested and when and rest assured if he already hasn't done it he will molest a child, then they will repeat the same behavior and it keeps going. And we say oh but have a heart and treat them humanely, well where are the advocates for the kids that get hurt by this behavior? I am not saying throw them in a dungeon but allowing them to be free in society, umm no.

And people wonder why I am on the fence about bringing a child into this world.

posts from hell

He's not the only one either.

Steinhauer

I agree with the judge - there should be harsher sentences on those who produce child pornography as opposed to those who view it.

jillio

It is not a guarantee that someone who was molested becomes the molester in adult life. It increases the risk of it happening, but it in no way is a definate.

There are plenty of advocates for kids that are being sexually abused. The problem is not the kids that have reported it and are getting help, it is the ones who never tell anyone. One cannot advocate for a victim until that victim comes forward.

ember

There is not just an increased risk there is a high risk of it happening especially when they are exposing themselves to child pornography thats just step one.

And I am not talking about an advocate to help the child, I am talking about an advocate that would protect them from it happening in the first place and if we allow predators breaks and to be free thinking oh poor them then we are exposing a potential danger to those children. Why not stop it before it ever happens. If you know they have been molested and they are exposing themselves to a temptation to do it again why give them opportunity to repeat the behavior, if they really wanted help then they would ask to be helped with the porn. Many sociopaths don't start out with the act itself first, it first starts with the temptation and they tell themselves well I am not hurting anyone so what harm is there in that and then the temptation becomes to great and they end up hurting someone by then its too late, but who cares about that as long as we are being humane right?

jillio

So, you are saying that someone who has been victimized themselves should be punished for suffering negative effects from that victimization?

No, it is an increased risk.

How, exactly, would you propose to prevent it happening? How can you identify a child that is going to be victimized, or a person that will molest well in advance of it happening?

And you are completely incorrect regarding the mind set and thought processes of the sociopath.

There are many areas of this country where sexual relationships with young children and even incest are considered by that pocket of culture to be perfectly normal behavior.

If you are going to be humane, you have to carry it all the way out. Otherwise, it is not being humane. It is having sympathy for one and condemning another. That is known as being judgemental.

deafbajagal

All I know to say is that my view, which once was set in stone, changed one night.

I now say: get out the firing squad.

jillio

Love you to death, and sorry that you had an experience that affected you so profoundly. But, dear friend, it sounds as if you are looking for revenge, not justice. That is contrary to what our form of justice is.

ember

I am not incorrect about the mindset and thought process of a sociopath, I didn't just pull that one out my pocket because it sounded pretty to say, I did the research.

And I don't presume to know the answer of how to prevent it from happening, but I don't believe allowing them special treatment is the answer either.

As far as your last comment I have no clue what you mean by that, who is it exactly that I am and that I am not having sympathy for?

jillio

The mind set and thought process of a sociopath is dependent upon the life experience of that individual. It is not a cut and dried thing.

No one says they need special treatment. I am saying that they deserve appropriate treatment. And to punish one more harshly because one is mentally ill is punishing the person for being sick and subjected to something beyond his / her control.

You are having sympathy for whom you perceive to be the "victim" without considering or having empathy for the one that was victimized to just as great a degree.

shel90

Is this supposed to be justice for the children, not for the offender?

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ember

No one said it is cut and dry, but its not necessarily all dependent upon their life experience either, there are sociopaths that have led lives that did not involve abuse.

You are right those who were victimized had opportunity to be seen and treated well before they committed a crime that warranted forced treatment and they knew they were sick but after they commit the crime now they scream woe is me I need help, uh no I have no empathy for that.

jillio

Of course. But the vast majority of adult offenders were childhood victims.

jillio

The experts would disagree with you. It takes the wrong environment to manifest sociopathic actions.

Do you like to read? I have a couple of books that you might enjoy that address this topic really well. The Minds of Billy Milligan (his court decision made history) and Executing the Mentally Ill. Not to say that either would change your mind: I'm not trying to do that. But I think both would make you consider some things that you had not considered before. I know they were eye openers for me.