Cruel & Unusual Punishment - Page 2

**Jiro** · 02-02-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ember

I am not incorrect about the mindset and thought process of a sociopath, I didn't just pull that one out my pocket because it sounded pretty to say, I did the research.

And I don't presume to know the answer of how to prevent it from happening, but I don't believe allowing them special treatment is the answer either.

As far as your last comment I have no clue what you mean by that, who is it exactly that I am and that I am not having sympathy for?

May I ask where your research is from?

**KarissaMann05** · 10-11-2011, 05:10 PM

Sorry to bump this thread... but I saw a post from Facebook:

FOXNews.com - Why Conservatives Should Oppose the Death Penalty - Opinion

Thoughts, anybody?

rolling7 · 10-11-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I agree with the judge - there should be harsher sentences on those who produce child pornography as opposed to those who view it.

And I agee with you BUT in this case the judge wants to give a slap on the wrist to a guy who is re-raping children. Open your eyes. Like drugs, etc., if there is no market for a product, then there will be no manufacturers. There well always be adults raping children but to produce film/videos should be a double felony and those who buy it should also be charged with a felony. I promise you, someone is paying for this shit.

Ildri · 10-25-2011, 06:23 PM

I just know that America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Clearly, we're doing something wrong.

FireTiger · 10-26-2011, 12:59 AM

I know how about we have every other inmate work minimum wage debtors prison to pay his/her way and his fellow before him/her.

Ya never know if you'll get a free ride or a double wage sentence... fun!!!

jillio · 10-26-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

And I agee with you BUT in this case the judge wants to give a slap on the wrist to a guy who is re-raping children. Open your eyes. Like drugs, etc., if there is no market for a product, then there will be no manufacturers. There well always be adults raping children but to produce film/videos should be a double felony and those who buy it should also be charged with a felony. I promise you, someone is paying for this shit.

So why aren't we, as a society, doing what needs to be done to reduce demand instead of punishing after the fact?

jillio · 10-26-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

Sorry to bump this thread... but I saw a post from Facebook:

FOXNews.com - Why Conservatives Should Oppose the Death Penalty - Opinion

Thoughts, anybody?

I never thought I would say this about anything published from a Fox News site, but this article is spot on regarding the reasoning of abolishing the death penalty. If the risk of executing one innocent person exists, it is a risk too great to be taken. Not only does that risk exist, we have murdered innocent people in the name of justice. That is completely unnacceptable.

**Dixie** · 10-26-2011, 07:12 PM

Isn't the death penalty abolished in EU countries?

Ildri · 10-26-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Isn't the death penalty abolished in EU countries?

Yup! I think the US may be the only industrialized nation that still has it. If not, then we're one of very few.

**Jiro** · 10-26-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Isn't the death penalty abolished in EU countries?

no. i.e., Belarus

**Jiro** · 10-26-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ildri

Yup! I think the US may be the only industrialized nation that still has it. If not, then we're one of very few.

no. Russia, South Korea, Japan, Egypt, Taiwan, China, Singapore, etc.

**Banjo** · 10-26-2011, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Isn't the death penalty abolished in EU countries?

Canada too as well. In fact, it was announced today that we've had the lowest homicide rate since 1966. There were 554 homicides committed in 2010.

Ildri · 10-26-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no. i.e., Belarus

Belarus isn't a member of the EU.

deafdyke · 10-26-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Of course. But the vast majority of adult offenders were childhood victims.

In that case, maybe a good idea would be to place them in one of those secure mental inistutions so they can get TREATMENT. They're trying to "heal" b/c they think that by reenacting the abuse they can get some power and closure.

Ildri · 10-26-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no. Russia, South Korea, Japan, Egypt, Taiwan, China, Singapore, etc.

Even though the death penalty is still technically legal, it is no longer used in Russia or South Korea.

According to Amnesty International as of a few months ago, the only nations that have carried out executions so far this year are Bangladesh, China, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, United Arab Emirates, and the USA.

**Jiro** · 10-26-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ildri

Belarus isn't a member of the EU.

oh ok.

rolling7 · 10-26-2011, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

So why aren't we, as a society, doing what needs to be done to reduce demand instead of punishing after the fact?

The reasons are...

1) Mankind..the most smartest creature on the face of the earth

2) Mankind..the most stupid creature on the face of the earth

jillio · 10-26-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Isn't the death penalty abolished in EU countries?

The death penalty is abolished in all countries I would consider to be civilized.

jillio · 10-26-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ildri

Even though the death penalty is still technically legal, it is no longer used in Russia or South Korea.

According to Amnesty International as of a few months ago, the only nations that have carried out executions so far this year are Bangladesh, China, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, United Arab Emirates, and the USA.

Quite the group we belong to.

**Banjo** · 10-26-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Quite the group we belong to.

Yes, you must be quite proud of yourself. Aye? No?

Capital punishment here in Canada was abolished back in mid-1970s. Homicide rate is the lowest in over 40 years. Go figure.

jillio · 10-26-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Yes, you must be quite proud of yourself. Aye? No?

Capital punishment here in Canada was abolished back in mid-1970s. Homicide rate is the lowest in over 40 years. Go figure.

**jillio hanging her head in shame**

**deafskeptic** · 10-27-2011, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The death penalty is abolished in all countries I would consider to be civilized.

I take it us Americans aren't civilized.

Sunshine · 10-27-2011, 12:24 AM

How can this judge say child pornography NOT crime of violence?!?!?

**LDNanna** · 10-27-2011, 01:02 AM

Pornography's Relationship to Child Molestation
In a study of convicted child molesters, 77 percent of those who molested boys and 87 percent of those who molested girls admitted to the habitual use of pornography in the commission of their crimes.Besides stimulating the perpetrator, pornography facilitates child molestation in several ways. For example, pedophiles use pornographic photos to demonstrate to their victims what they want them to do. They also use them to arouse a child or to lower a child's inhibitions and communicate to the unsuspecting child that a particular sexual activity is okay: "This person is enjoying it; so will you." The above quote is from a child protection agency called protectkids.com . I do encourage you to read this next interesting essay from a professor of Applied Psychology (written back in 2002)
The nature and dimensions of child pornography on the Internet
So I say - is it preferable that the "actors" suffer so fewer random children are victimized? Let's not forget, the subject of those photos, children as young as 3 - are being victimized. Does it hurt to view a photo?? Well, it harmed the subject. That harm will be viewed again and again, profited from, and lead to more subjects being procured when the "new" wears off.
Did I answer the question? Nope. But I surely hope I gave you fodder for thought.

jillio · 10-27-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I take it us Americans aren't civilized.

Well, we have citizens walking around armed because they are so afraid of others, we still have the death penalty, and we still deny rights to our citizens based on superficial differences. I'll let you be the judge.

jillio · 10-27-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LDNanna

Pornography's Relationship to Child Molestation
In a study of convicted child molesters, 77 percent of those who molested boys and 87 percent of those who molested girls admitted to the habitual use of pornography in the commission of their crimes.Besides stimulating the perpetrator, pornography facilitates child molestation in several ways. For example, pedophiles use pornographic photos to demonstrate to their victims what they want them to do. They also use them to arouse a child or to lower a child's inhibitions and communicate to the unsuspecting child that a particular sexual activity is okay: "This person is enjoying it; so will you." The above quote is from a child protection agency called protectkids.com . I do encourage you to read this next interesting essay from a professor of Applied Psychology (written back in 2002)
The nature and dimensions of child pornography on the Internet
So I say - is it preferable that the "actors" suffer so fewer random children are victimized? Let's not forget, the subject of those photos, children as young as 3 - are being victimized. Does it hurt to view a photo?? Well, it harmed the subject. That harm will be viewed again and again, profited from, and lead to more subjects being procured when the "new" wears off.
Did I answer the question? Nope. But I surely hope I gave you fodder for thought.

While I can't disagree with anything you have said, I would also caution that correlation is not cause and effect. There is also a high correlation of heterosexual men who view pornography and are sexually active. The fact is that men become sexually excited mostly through visual means. Women, on the other hand, become sexually excited more through the auditory and the olifactory senses. Consequently, a huge proportion of the adult male population views pornography in some degree or another. Also, this is exactly why I say the punishment needs to addressed to the people producing the child pornography. If they did not produce it, it would not be available for viewing. In this country, however, we tend to slap a band-aid on a festering wound just to give people a false sense of security.

jillio · 10-27-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny_signs

How can this judge say child pornography NOT crime of violence?!?!?

He said viewing child pornography was not a crime of violence. He did not say production of such wasn't.

Sunshine · 10-27-2011, 12:33 PM

Viewing child pornography necessitate production of child pornography. Same thing, my mind. No demand, no supply.

This same say eating animals not killing them, they already dead. They wouldn't BE dead if someone dent want eat them. Someone kill them so you can eat them. Sane this. Someone produce kiddie porn so you can view it. General you.

jillio · 10-27-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny_signs

Viewing child pornography necessitate production of child pornography. Same thing, my mind. No demand, no supply.

This same say eating animals not killing them, they already dead. They wouldn't BE dead if someone dent want eat them. Someone kill them so you can eat them. Sane this. Someone produce kiddie porn so you can view it. General you.

Viewing child pornography is a passive action. This man was not charged with molestation. He was charged with viewing and having child pornography. He was not charged with producing child pornography. There is no way that he can be charged with doing something violent. To be charged with committing a violent act, he would have had to do something to another directly.
No, it's not the same thing at all.

Sunshine · 10-27-2011, 03:50 PM

You, me...agree disagree this one

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LDNanna Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,688	Pornography's Relationship to Child Molestation In a study of convicted child molesters, 77 percent of those who molested boys and 87 percent of those who molested girls admitted to the habitual use of pornography in the commission of their crimes.Besides stimulating the perpetrator, pornography facilitates child molestation in several ways. For example, pedophiles use pornographic photos to demonstrate to their victims what they want them to do. They also use them to arouse a child or to lower a child's inhibitions and communicate to the unsuspecting child that a particular sexual activity is okay: "This person is enjoying it; so will you." The above quote is from a child protection agency called protectkids.com . I do encourage you to read this next interesting essay from a professor of Applied Psychology (written back in 2002) The nature and dimensions of child pornography on the Internet So I say - is it preferable that the "actors" suffer so fewer random children are victimized? Let's not forget, the subject of those photos, children as young as 3 - are being victimized. Does it hurt to view a photo?? Well, it harmed the subject. That harm will be viewed again and again, profited from, and lead to more subjects being procured when the "new" wears off. Did I answer the question? Nope. But I surely hope I gave you fodder for thought. __________________ I have discovered that the word "diet" begins with d i e.

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