Was Pres Lincoln a racist or a prodcut of his era

ember · 01-04-2011, 01:40 PM

I am having this discussion with others what are your thoughts on this historical figure

**Banjo** · 01-04-2011, 01:46 PM

A very good question. Well, I have read some history on President Lincoln. Honestly, I believe he was a product of the society. The beliefs he held prior to the civil war would be considered racist in today's society. Later in his life, it shifted.

I read somewhere that he suggested that they should be granted the right to vote. That should tell you something.

Steinhauer · 01-04-2011, 01:49 PM

Lincoln was a racist. He made several derogatory remarks about African Americans, and he wanted them out of the country.

posts from hell · 01-04-2011, 01:55 PM

Are we born racists? Or are we product of our society? That should be answered first.

**Banjo** · 01-04-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Lincoln was a racist. He made several derogatory remarks about African Americans, and he wanted them out of the country.

Like I said, he was a product of the society he was raised in. We weren't there to witness the history.

Do you realize that he changed his tune after the African-Americans started joining him to fight the South?

ember · 01-04-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Like I said, he was a product of the society he was raised in. We weren't there to witness the history.

Do you realize that he changed his tune after the African-Americans started joining him to fight the South?

Actually he started to believe a bit differently about aa's once he became acquainted with Frederick Douglas, but he still believed that anglo saxons were the superior race. Now is there an excuse for him to have a belief system of a superior race?

ember · 01-04-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Lincoln was a racist. He made several derogatory remarks about African Americans, and he wanted them out of the country.

I've never read that he necessarily wanted them out of the country, he said I don't believe in slavery but its not for me to say if a man has slaves or not what he wanted was peace

**Banjo** · 01-04-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ember

Actually he started to believe a bit differently about aa's once he became acquainted with Frederick Douglas, but he still believed that anglo saxons were the superior race. Now is there an excuse for him to have a belief system of a superior race?

No, it's not something I condone. However, you do have to realize that it was different back then. Regardless, it was wrong.

From what I know, he did suggest that they should have political equity.

ember · 01-04-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

No, it's not something I condone. However, you do have to realize that it was different back then. Regardless, it was wrong.

From what I know, he did suggest that they should have political equity.

Oh I am not asking if its right or wrong just simple opinions about Lincoln and his time I should have been more clear about that.

really I will have to research that I haven't read or seen that do you remember your source

**Banjo** · 01-04-2011, 02:16 PM

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It is also unsatisfactory to some that the elective franchise is not given to the colored man. I would myself prefer that it were now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as soldiers.

Lincoln Home National Historic Site - Lincoln on Slavery (U.S. National Park Service)

ember · 01-04-2011, 02:27 PM

who do you think he would have been today?

**Banjo** · 01-04-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ember

who do you think he would have been today?

The Lincoln we have come to know, he would be accused of being a racist. No doubt on that part.

He lived in a very different United States than you do. In these days, most white people believe they were superior to the other races.

ember · 01-04-2011, 02:30 PM

He did say one of my favorite quotes
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

that's GREAT!

ember · 01-04-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

The Lincoln we have come to know, he would be accused of being a racist. No doubt on that part.

He lived in a very different United States than you do. In these days, most white people believe they were superior to the other races.

aside from all of that though I do wonder if the fore farthers were here as many politicians roar in their speeches would they really be the people they think they are or different.

i.e... I love when my republican friends spout off about the Christian values and our fore fathers, my response as a moderate is I honestly think some of the issues you think they would care about they don't because they were diest.

**Banjo** · 01-04-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ember

aside from all of that though I do wonder if the fore farthers were here as many politicians roar in their speeches would they really be the people they think they are or different.

i.e... I love when my republican friends spout off about the Christian values and our fore fathers, my response as a moderate is I honestly think some of the issues you think they would care about they don't because they were diest.

People have a tendency to sensationalize pretty much every historical figure and event.

posts from hell · 01-04-2011, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

The Lincoln we have come to know, he would be accused of being a racist. No doubt on that part.

He lived in a very different United States than you do. In these days, most white people believe they were superior to the other races.

True

**Reba** · 01-04-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ember

I am having this discussion with others what are your thoughts on this historical figure

"Was Pres Lincoln a racist or a product of his era?"

First, what is the definition of racism? Do the words and actions of Lincoln fit that definition?

Second, what was the prevailing culture of the era to which Lincoln was exposed? Was it racist? Was it patronizing towards non-white races in general? Was it anti-slavery but not quite pro-equality? What exactly was that culture and era to which he was exposed?

Third, were his personal and political beliefs the same?

Those are some things you have to research and decide before you can tackle the original question.

**Reba** · 01-04-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

People have a tendency to sensationalize pretty much every historical figure and event.

Sensationalize or romanticize?

ember · 01-04-2011, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

People have a tendency to sensationalize pretty much every historical figure and event.

yeah thats main stream media though and they sensationalize everything, now is that their fault or society they only report what sells? mmmmmm

**Banjo** · 01-04-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Sensationalize or romanticize?

Both.

ember · 01-04-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by reba

sensationalize or romanticize?

both!!!!!

**Banjo** · 01-04-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ember

yeah thats main stream media though and they sensationalize everything, now is that their fault or society they only report what sells? mmmmmm

Not just the MSM, but also the history textbooks, movies, novels, etc. It is a practice they have used since the early days of mankind.

ember · 01-04-2011, 02:45 PM

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rolling7 · 01-05-2011, 01:21 PM

Why start and stop with Lincoln
What about Washington
What about Jefferson
What about Lee
What about Grant

PowerON · 01-05-2011, 01:30 PM

Lincoln is cool because he free black from being slave.
Later... Lincoln might be gay...
Now... you or whatever say that Lincoln was racist.
Who care!

Steinhauer · 01-05-2011, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ember

I've never read that he necessarily wanted them out of the country, he said I don't believe in slavery but its not for me to say if a man has slaves or not what he wanted was peace

Lincoln and Haiti: The African American Exodus that Didn

yizuman · 01-05-2011, 02:16 PM

I had read that Lincoln had considered shipping all the slaves back to Africa because their ancestors was wrongly taken from their homeland for the purpose of enslaving them and he felt that sending them back would correct the wrong.

If that's true, makes me wonder at what time frame he said it, before or after the former slaves joined the union to fight the south?

Yiz

yagazn · 01-06-2011, 03:11 AM

Off topic.

Honestly, some white people are still racist today from what I observed. They can't help it.

I've seen many white racist people in many different movie based on a true story like "Mississippi Burning" (1988). Many history back then.

dogmom · 01-06-2011, 07:41 AM

I agree that racism is still very much present today.

ember · 01-06-2011, 09:31 AM

well if we are honest we all have some sort of prejudice. I would say my prejudice is narcissism and pretentious, I have little patience for these personality types and once my good opinion is lost it is hard to gain back.

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Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	A very good question. Well, I have read some history on President Lincoln. Honestly, I believe he was a product of the society. The beliefs he held prior to the civil war would be considered racist in today's society. Later in his life, it shifted. I read somewhere that he suggested that they should be granted the right to vote. That should tell you something.

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ember Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: one of the states Posts: 646	who do you think he would have been today?

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ember Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: one of the states Posts: 646	He did say one of my favorite quotes "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." that's GREAT!

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rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Why start and stop with Lincoln What about Washington What about Jefferson What about Lee What about Grant

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yagazn Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Out of nowhere.... Posts: 2,965	Off topic. Honestly, some white people are still racist today from what I observed. They can't help it. I've seen many white racist people in many different movie based on a true story like "Mississippi Burning" (1988). Many history back then.

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dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,475	I agree that racism is still very much present today.

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ember Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: one of the states Posts: 646	well if we are honest we all have some sort of prejudice. I would say my prejudice is narcissism and pretentious, I have little patience for these personality types and once my good opinion is lost it is hard to gain back.