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Unread 12-22-2010, 01:21 PM   #31 (permalink)
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And white collar crime actually does much more harm than blue collar crime because of the vast number of people one act affects. And you can bet your bippy that higher SES makes their prison sentence much shorter.
True that.
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Unread 12-22-2010, 11:48 PM   #32 (permalink)
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And white collar crime actually does much more harm than blue collar crime because of the vast number of people one act affects. And you can bet your bippy that higher SES makes their prison sentence much shorter.
You may wanna ask Bernard Madoff that...

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Unread 12-23-2010, 12:20 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Rich people also commit violent crimes, not just white collar crimes. They're involved in dog fighting, wife beating, rape, serial killing, and pedophilia.
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Unread 12-23-2010, 12:25 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Rich people also commit violent crimes, not just white collar crimes. They're involved in dog fighting, wife beating, rape, serial killing, and pedophilia.
Yep, the very idea and argument that rich people / poor people carries very little merit. It's just wishful thinking...

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Unread 12-23-2010, 08:16 AM   #35 (permalink)
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no no, reba's comment was to say rich people aren't wussys to get someone else do the drty (but often they do) just saying violent crimes arent confined to lower strata people....rich people can be violent...wealth and income bears no co-relation but again it tends to hide it 'better'...
AND i stll reckon in this society class factor play a HUGE role in crime perpentuation, as does it keeps the myth 'you must get rich to go to heaven and to get it you must cheat' mentality and/or other way around ' you must STAY rich, get rid of the threats by any means...'...
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Rich people also commit violent crimes, not just white collar crimes. They're involved in dog fighting, wife beating, rape, serial killing, and pedophilia.
General crimes do not rise with the poverty rate. However, person and property crimes do.
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Unread 12-23-2010, 09:36 AM   #37 (permalink)
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You may wanna ask Bernard Madoff that...

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Don't need to ask ole Bernie anything. We have already seen the consequences of his white collar crime...including the contribution it made to his own son's suicide.
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General crimes do not rise with the poverty rate. However, person and property crimes do.
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Unread 12-23-2010, 09:40 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Rich people also commit violent crimes, not just white collar crimes. They're involved in dog fighting, wife beating, rape, serial killing, and pedophilia.
Some are. But you will still find a preponderance of those crimes being commited by people that do not fit the Upper SES status. Additionally, those are crimes that are generally more the result of personality deviance than poverty. The same type of personality that often allows one to achieve upper SES level as the result of having no empathy for others. They are quite willing to step on whoever they need to step on to reach the wealthier status.
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Don't need to ask ole Bernie anything. We have already seen the consequences of his white collar crime...including the contribution it made to his own son's suicide.
Bernie couldn't get away, there were too many people who were out for his blood.
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Yep, the very idea and argument that rich people / poor people carries very little merit. It's just wishful thinking...

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You might want to educate yourself on that by doing a little reading. There are thousands and thousands of research projects in several different disciplines that support the poverty issue. There are thousands of books in different disciplines that support the same premise. And it has been supported by not just one theroetical perspective, but of at least five that I can name off the top of my head. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean that it is not valid.
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Unread 12-23-2010, 09:44 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Bernie couldn't get away, there were too many people who were out for his blood.
Yeppers. All the people who were affected by his criminal behavior. Like I said, white collar crime does more harm than blue collar crime.
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Unread 12-23-2010, 01:11 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Some are. But you will still find a preponderance of those crimes being commited by people that do not fit the Upper SES status.
Maybe. Or maybe the upper income offenders are better at hiding their crimes, or they have better lawyers to get them off the hook.

I don't believe lower SES people are any more deviant or criminal oriented than upper SES people.

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Exactly. Poverty is not the cause of crime.
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Unread 12-23-2010, 01:20 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Maybe. Or maybe the upper income offenders are better at hiding their crimes, or they have better lawyers to get them off the hook.

I don't believe lower SES people are any more deviant or criminal oriented than upper SES people.


Exactly. Poverty is not the cause of crime.
Dang. I learned something new. Them poor folks just better stop being plain deviant then!
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Unread 12-23-2010, 01:58 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Maybe. Or maybe the upper income offenders are better at hiding their crimes, or they have better lawyers to get them off the hook.
I don't believe lower SES people are any more deviant or criminal oriented than upper SES people.


Exactly. Poverty is not the cause of crime.
That is true. And it is directly correlated to their SES. People in poverty cannot afford attorneys. They have to make do with public defenders or defend themselves. So more do jail time for minor crimes while the white collar criminals commit more harmful crimes and walk free. So no matter how you put it, SES is directly correlated.

Then what do you attribute crime to?
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