web730

Teresh,

I happened to cross into other thread and find there is a messianic jew guy .. so they do eventually exist. Can you agrue that? He is still considered a Jew, however.

Here is the post I copied and pasted to show:

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MorriganTait

Let's see:

Mainstream Jews consider messianic Jews NOT JEWISH and Mainline Christians consider Mormons NOT CHRISTIAN, but messianic Jews consider themselves Jewish, and Mormons consider themselves Christian.

So, who gets to decide? Do we allow people to define themselves or must they take the definition from the outside?

web730

Yeah

One couldn't control them what to name or not to name .. that's the whole problem.

Teresh

If no one agrees with you, you're wrong... Some Christians (not all) will certify that Mormons are Christian, but I don't know any Jews that will say 'Messianic Jews' are really Jews.

Throwstones

Jewish community's reaction is afraid of Muslim if they do bomb. They dislike the way Muslims are threathen! They keep off from them and won't socialize them at all. Even, I am jewish and not very comfortable to be around muslim! But only deaf muslim is fine but not hearing!

Reba

This is so awful I can hardly bear it.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...section=cnn_us

Heath

Reba, I saw that on the news and I was so mad and angry and do not worry the US Military will kick ass and do payback , hit them 100 x harder !!!!!

Cane Corso

I vote NO because anyone can be a terrorist. Well look at Catholic vs Protestant in Northern Ireland.

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Reba

Each report is worse and worse. They release a little bit more information about the torture that happened to them. It is so sickening.

Heath

I know Reba, and before too long the terrorists will send a video in the mail to the website Orgish.com and I really don't think beheadings belong on that website but in a way, it does show what the terrorists really are, animals and up to no good, just pure evil.

That is where I saw the Nick Berg beheading video clip on Orgish.com website. I will never ever forget that. I can look at most everything on Orgish.com website but not the beheadings, just too sick.

The terrorists really have no respect for anybody or people's families or their own kind either too. Terrorists will shoot another terrorist if they think they have a traitor in their midst and they have no problems doing that. Sometimes, I think the terrorists kill for the sake of killing.

My prayers go out to the families of these servicemen. God Bless these families somehow, during this very difficult time ..... The U.S.A. is 100% with these families. God Bless ....

Foxrac

No, just depends on people, there's alot of good muslims in LA area and several are bad.

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Reba

Yes.

These last two killings go even beyond beheadings. I can't even bear to say what the terrorists did to the two servicemen. It is too horrible.

Reba

Judge for yourself:

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Chajukin

This is useless, Muslims are not terrorist...

just because Saddam Hussein used crime against humanity and was hanged yesterday does not mean all Arabs are Terrorist...

cos if you believe that, then why not call my country Australia terrorist, cos David Hicks still in Guantanamo bay

Reba

Suicide girls will target troops

By TOM NEWTON DUNN
Defence Editor
January 10, 2007

FIFTEEN women suicide bombers have been sent to murder British troops in Afghanistan.

Taliban chiefs have ordered them to dress as beggars or teachers and hide devices under burkas, a secret intelligence report has warned.

It marks an alarming new tactic in the Afghan conflict, although women suicide bombers have been used in Iraq.

Army bosses say it is almost impossible to detect the killers covered from head to toe. Troops in war-torn Helmand province are also reluctant to search women as it offends local sensitivities.

The bombers are believed to be Pakistani, Arab or Chechen. Many fell under the influence of al-Qaeda after being widowed in recent conflicts.

A military source added: “We’re pretty good at detecting male suicide bombers. But women will be almost unstoppable. Because of their burkas, the first time you’ll know she’s a bomber is when she explodes.”
The Sun Online - News: Suicide girls will target troops

lumbingmi

Voted 'Maybe'

Terriosts = misguided musilm/christians

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Reba

Terror Plot: Ninth Arrest
Updated: 16:22, Wednesday January 31, 2007

A ninth suspect has been arrested by police investigating an alleged Iraq-style kidnapping and beheading plot in the UK.

It follows the detention of eight people at addresses in Birmingham early today.

Assistant Chief Constable David Shaw, of West Midlands Police, revealed the last suspect was stopped on a motorway near the city.

He said officers were carrying out a "very, very major investigation" that would take "days if not weeks" to complete.

It has been reported the alleged plotters intended to post a video of the hostage being tortured and killed on the internet.

The target was a British Muslim soldier in his twenties who is now under police protection.

The soldier, who has not been named, has served with UK forces in Afghanistan.

His abduction would have mirrored the kidnappings of the British hostages Ken Bigley and Margaret Hassan by Iraqi insurgents.

The suspects - believed to be of Pakistani origin - were detained under the Terrorism Act after a six-month surveillance operation.

It is thought they are being held in Coventry. Two are said to be males aged 31 and 29.

The latter has been named locally as Amjad Mahmood.

Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said officers feared the alleged plot was "coming to fruition".

The fact the aim was apparently not to cause mass casualties, as in previous terror attacks, signalled a "chilling" change in tactics....
Sky News: Eight People Arrested In Terror Swoop

lumbingmi

Don't you realized that Crusaders are terriosts, too?? History has shown that they will go at any length to impose their beliefs/wills on poor innocent people. *cough*american indians*asians*blacks*cough*

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Reba

The Crusaders are gone. They haven't been around for several hundred years. When was the last time the Crusaders were in the news for terrorism?


There were no Crusaders in America. You need to study your history again.

You better do something about that cough. Try Riccola.

doh

Might be better to ask the question: "Can religious fundamentalists or extremists be terrorists?"

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lumbingmi

Crusaders' ideaology still exist in modern era except that we have laws to protect non-religious.

Christians aren't terrorists?? LOL ok read below..

Christian extremist terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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lumbingmi

I agree with you. Muslims are no different than Christians when it come to kill people in God's name. If you dont know , christians tend to bomb abortion clinic and threatened to kill anyone who work in there. It s sad, i know that

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shel90

Very good question.

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shel90

I wish there was a link to click to say "I dont know"

I really do not know enough about the Muslim religion to make my opinions on.

However, to kill innocent people for their beliefs is just horrible!

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InTheGenes

As Shel90 pointed out, that IS a very good question.

In my view, religious fanaticism and zealotry (of ANY stripe, be it Muslim, Christian, etc.) have been responsible for more war, bloodshed, pain and suffering than any other human phenomenon in our collective world history. Which is such a shame, when you think about it: that something that can bring such comfort to so many can bring such death and misery to others. But our history is rife with examples of one group of people who sought to impose their beliefs on another group of people; where the first group says to the second, "You're going to believe what I believe if I have to beat it into you, and while I'm at it... I'm going to take everything you own, including your land!" Yes, the Crusades were one example. As were the Romans in places like Druidic England, Ireland, etc. But more recent examples might be the earliest American settlers who themselves (some of them, anyway) were escaping religious persecution in England. And yet, they would eventually subjugate the American Indians. And then, of course, we don't have to look too far into the past to see the most extreme example of anti-Semitism, in the form of the Holocaust.

Even TODAY in our society, however, there is a huge power-struggle for religious dominance in both the political and religious arenas in this country. While it might be less bloody (and even that is debatable), the fact is there is a significant portion of the American public that feels that our way of LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS is (and has been) under attack by religious fundamentalists in this country. While individuals have every right, under our Constitution, to believe as they wish, they do NOT have the right to foist those same beliefs upon the rest of us.

The same could be said about the forced "Democracy" that we're shoving down Iraqis' throats. I mean... isn't it a bit of an oxymoron? Just how democratic can it BE when the process, itself, is not democratic? If you sent (forcefully) a devout Southern Baptist to a synagogue for a year, does that make him Jewish? If a Mormon is forcefully sent to attend Catholic church services for a year, are they then Catholic? If a closeted homosexual enters into a heterosexual marriage, is he no longer gay?

The point I'm trying to make is that this is about more than just "religion", although it's certainly a huge part of it. But this is also about cultural identity (something with which most people here should be able to identify), and that is something not easily changed. And the question that begs answering is: who is to decide if/when a culture SHOULD be changed?

Getting back to the topic at hand, what I think Reba is getting at is that currently, various factions of Islamic Jihadists are predominantly responsible for most acts of terrorism worldwide. Which, if news reports are to be believed, is likely true. But does that mean that ALL Muslims and/or Islamic devotees are terrorists? Of course not, anymore than one can say that all Christians are terrorists due to the actions of overzealous anti-abortion activists that blow up abortion clinics, etc.

But let's also examine the world opinion of what the US has done, in it's "war on terror". At the start of the current mess that we're in, Bush drummed up support by appealing to the American people's sense of right/wrong, good/evil, in an almost biblical fashion. Words like "evil-doers" and "axis of evil" seek to paint the conflict in simple terms, which (of course) this entire conflict is NOT.

There are those in the world (not just in the Middle East, mind you) that see Bush's invasion of Iraq (and the accompanying call upon the rest of the world to aid him in stopping the "evil-doers") as just as despicable an act as we see a call for Jihad against westerners. One man's call to arms is another man's call for Jihad. Scary, isn't it?

I didn't really care for the wording of this poll, so I haven't voted. This is an instance in the English language where more qualifiers are needed in order to answer the question. My simple answer is: No, ALL Muslims are not terrorists, just as not ALL Christians are do-gooders.