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Old 03-05-2004, 03:22 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I believe in Death Penalty to prevent "copycat" crimes from generation to generation. Death Penalty helps some people to think about themselves while in jail and make themselves to commitment to serve what is liability to people who are/were killed. How old do you think a death sentence should be upon young children who are criminals ? Give or take for opinions here.
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Old 03-05-2004, 07:49 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I heard here in NC that they made a law upon whoever murdered someone at the age of 16 would be put on the death row and I thought that's crazy...16 yrs old to be put to death?? c'mon that's too young, you know. maybe 18 is old enough since they have FULL responsblity to themselves and dont live with their parents, etc... but 16?? I think they should've had second thoughts about this
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Old 03-05-2004, 08:43 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I disagree with the death penality. The criminals should have to rot away in a jail thinking about what they did in their life.

With family members working in the correctional facilities, I am throughly disgusted with what we provide for these inmates. I think there SHOULD BE no cable TV, no gym facilities, no cook-outs, no liberal dress code, etc... They have to "suffer" in the prison. Make them read books, etc... Provide the only basic living conditions for these inmates. Last I heard was that each inmate cost the State about 6$ a day to "take care" so if one inmate was sentenced to jail for 50 years, that is 109.500$ to take care of the inmate. The inmates should pay for it themselves through labour and if they want cable or whatever, they should pay for it too!

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Old 03-05-2004, 09:03 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I don't know about the morality of having a death penalty so I'll leave that undecided but I agree with kootchie and others that the prisoners don't deserve any luxury at all . . not even great cafeteria food. They need a good way to focus on what they did and the pain they caused their victims with their actions and choices.
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Old 03-05-2004, 09:05 AM   #35 (permalink)
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How old do you think a death sentence should be upon young children who are criminals ? Give or take for opinions here.

I Opposes the Death Penalty for Young children before the age of 18....I think they should stay in Juvenile Prison until the age of 25 Like most cases... But I do not like the facts that sometimes they Charge Young Children the same way they Will Charge an Adults.. However, children placed in isolation cells are at a high risk of committing suicide....When a child grows up under adverse circumstances, there is a chance that child will become violent....child is in need of mental health services, a healthy, caring, intelligent parent recognizes that and fills the child's need. The problem is, thousands of children are living in homes in which members of the family are marginally functional, anti-social, substance-abusing, and/or criminal...
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Old 03-05-2004, 09:20 AM   #36 (permalink)
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As for Timothy McVeigh, he did confess some, but not fully..he blamed the ATF agents for that incident at Waco, Texas..that is one of the reasons he blew up Murrah building in Okla City..and he was a militant too..he is so against the United States government..yeah, he had easy death too, not fair to 168 people he killed..at least hes gone so he wont kill more people!
My instinct tell me a bout Timothy McVeigh did not tell full confession. He knew some truths that cannot tell anyone under ultimate blackmail from some certain people like FBI, etc... Also, not that surprised about US Gov't want get rid of him quickly before Tim may change his mind about telling the truth the dirty truth about OKC that killed 168 people. Same with 9/11, JFK, and others.

One thing, I don't understand why did Tim McVeigh died 3 years before the trial for Terry Nicholas begin. Should wait till another trial for Terry is finish then let Timothy take death penalty. Something make me feel kind of fishy because of USA have plenty of bullshit in their system I sensed that USA gov't still doing dirty work to get rid of some people who know the truth about USA's dark side (UFO, 9/11, JFK, and more)

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has me thinking abt the many thousands of tax dollars wasted for a inmate thats a lifer for this kind of homicidical behavior and they get 3 square meals a day AND being able to live for years and possibly have a natural death (IF the other inmates hadnt managed to beat him to death before a corrections officer would break it up) -- i personally dont think thats agreeable to me -- like PiercedPixie had said, if they blew up a building with many victims then have a dynamite shoved up his ass and let the person blow up to death
Look at Ted Bundy, Henry Lee Lucas, and serial killers/raptists. They are deserved to have death penalty. Yes, that's true about death penalties are not that cheap as we know. Also, I learned that any court related to death penalty costs more than regular courts.

Wish Jeffery Dahmar died from death penatly instead of toothpaste that other inmate murdred him in State prison. I understand State of Wisconsin don't have death penalty. Along with few states included Maine.

Let u know that Prez George W. Bush is full support of Death Penalty. During his terms as Governor of Texas. Total of few hundred prisoners died from death penalty in State of Texas.
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Old 03-05-2004, 09:28 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I heard here in NC that they made a law upon whoever murdered someone at the age of 16 would be put on the death row and I thought that's crazy...16 yrs old to be put to death?? c'mon that's too young, you know. maybe 18 is old enough since they have FULL responsblity to themselves and dont live with their parents, etc... but 16?? I think they should've had second thoughts about this
Yep, I heard that, too in some states. But, I concerned about young children that one day they will change new laws from the age of 16 down to younger age... let's say what they know how old young children KNOW how to kill ? To me from what I view in their laws is that they are tryin' to destroy the families and make the families fallin' apart... just for over silliest laws that they are makin' upon young children. They eyed upon children rather than the parents... they know how to make parents emotions and the parents fight for their children. I think it's ridiculous to cause all this emotions/mentally anguishes upon the parents. This makes alot of civil war or riot by makin' their protests against it. I am sure some young children feels that they are fully responsibility for their own actions because, of what they are doin' to law abidin' people (government people) to make their laws. Just in my own opinion here.
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I disagree with the death penality. The criminals should have to rot away in a jail thinking about what they did in their life.

With family members working in the correctional facilities, I am throughly disgusted with what we provide for these inmates. I think there SHOULD BE no cable TV, no gym facilities, no cook-outs, no liberal dress code, etc... They have to "suffer" in the prison. Make them read books, etc... Provide the only basic living conditions for these inmates. Last I heard was that each inmate cost the State about 6$ a day to "take care" so if one inmate was sentenced to jail for 50 years, that is 109.500$ to take care of the inmate. The inmates should pay for it themselves through labour and if they want cable or whatever, they should pay for it too!
Well, since you stated that you disagree with the death penalty... you think there SHOULD be no cable TV, no gym facilities..and so forth, right ? Ok, well like I mentioned earlier that the death penalty will help them to think about themselves, if not for cable TV, no gym facilities and so forth. But, I don't think that it will help them when they have all those luxury things in jails. But, there's ONE thing I know of that there's some works to do for the prisoners. They do work in jails by cookin', do laundry, and all that.
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I Opposes the Death Penalty for Young children before the age of 18....I think they should stay in Juvenile Prison until the age of 25 Like most cases... But I do not like the facts that sometimes they Charge Young Children the same way they Will Charge an Adults.. However, children placed in isolation cells are at a high risk of committing suicide....When a child grows up under adverse circumstances, there is a chance that child will become violent....child is in need of mental health services, a healthy, caring, intelligent parent recognizes that and fills the child's need. The problem is, thousands of children are living in homes in which members of the family are marginally functional, anti-social, substance-abusing, and/or criminal...
Yeah, I know...but, remma that all states are not the same. Someday, all states will follow. And, also remma that the parents are the teachers to their children and it's the parents' responsibility to raise their children in a proper way... BUT, the only problem is what ? *Pointin' at schools* That's where all the problem lies. Home and school are in war now... like for example: Church and State are separated, right ? Ok, look at school and home... what happened to them now?
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I heard here in NC that they made a law upon whoever murdered someone at the age of 16 would be put on the death row and I thought that's crazy...16 yrs old to be put to death?? c'mon that's too young, you know. maybe 18 is old enough since they have FULL responsblity to themselves and dont live with their parents, etc... but 16?? I think they should've had second thoughts about this
Actually, it depends on what happened with that murder. If it was cold-blooded and they can prove that the kid knew what he was doing, then they can treat him like a 18-year-old. However, if they can prove that the kid was still "too young" to understand. They can lessen the punishment and consider the kid a minor.
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Old 03-05-2004, 03:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Well, since you stated that you disagree with the death penalty... you think there SHOULD be no cable TV, no gym facilities..and so forth, right ? Ok, well like I mentioned earlier that the death penalty will help them to think about themselves, if not for cable TV, no gym facilities and so forth. But, I don't think that it will help them when they have all those luxury things in jails. But, there's ONE thing I know of that there's some works to do for the prisoners. They do work in jails by cookin', do laundry, and all that.
Actually, in the prisons where my family work at, they said that jobs that pay are considered "priviledges" that are given to good inmates. If they do good job in prison, then they are allowed to go out to work in factories or restaurants to earn some money.

I think that EVERYONE should work, priviledge or not, and if you don't behave, then get the hardest jobs out there in the prison. If you do good job, then do "good" jobs like laundry, cooking, etc... My family complained that they felt like they were just babysitting immature inmates.
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Actually, in the prisons where my family work at, they said that jobs that pay are considered "priviledges" that are given to good inmates. If they do good job in prison, then they are allowed to go out to work in factories or restaurants to earn some money.
Priviledges? Oh, does that mean that they are bein' watched to be sure they are well-behaved ? If, they are well-behaved, then, I don't find it a good idea to allow them to go out to work outside of the prison. They should be sendin' to the army instead. We need more armies to protect our country.

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I think that EVERYONE should work, priviledge or not, and if you don't behave, then get the hardest jobs out there in the prison. If you do good job, then do "good" jobs like laundry, cooking, etc... My family complained that they felt like they were just babysitting immature inmates.
Yeah, I don't blame your family for feelin' this way about them bein' immature inmates. If, they feel this way... why don't they challenge to see about sendin' the prisoners to the army since we need more armies to protect our country, hmm? Our USA armies aren't enough.

I was thinkin' here. What if, all prisons are overcrowded and then, there will be no rooms for new criminals to send to ? What's goin' to happen, if ya know anythin' ?
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I have seen some inmates with Two Officers At the Rib Cook off they were Picking up Trash and Taking Garbage Cans to dump into the Dumpster... They Did Seem Very Nice too...
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dont forget that he destoryed the daycare building which has tons of kids there
Yes, i know, Steel..Im from Oklahoma so i know the whole story, in fact, my ex brother in law worked in that building but! he was out of town that day!! He was very lucky! some of his co-workers were killed..he was shaken to the core of his soul and it really has changed him a lot..he doesnt take anything for granted anymore and he appreciate life more too..bless his heart!
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Yeah, i know that these prisoners have it too easy in prisons..not fair to the victims at all..The government need to change their system of running the prisons..no privileges like tv, movies, computers etc etc..they should put them to work, i mean hard labor, make them suffer. They are too pampered ,for what? just because they killed somebody? damn!! They should be tortured in prisons..i dont care if it is too inhumane, what about the victims?? ..................*enuf said.......you all got my drfit heh.
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I do not agree on death pentality uknow why???? too many get away with it, too many innocents die if they find out too late they didn't do the murder, rape whatever, if they are doing life sentence they should go to MAX security prison and let them out only one hr each day and then that's it! 23 hrs of lock up with nothing but thier brains to think of the crimes they did! So seriously Death pentality is the easy way out, by two choices, gas chamber or leathal injection, no USA will do the hang them, firing squad or cut thier balls off and have them sing high falsetto, seriously it's too easy for them! so what the next best thing???? life setence in maxium security prison with only 1 hr out each day for showers and excerise that's it!
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Well thats what DNA is for...for evidence. The dna testing system is so good now since it helps solve some crimes and it also helped release some prisoners that didnt really commit whatever crime they did. I have read a lot of these death row prisoners had dna testing to make sure that whether they did the crime or not. If they executed prisoner by mistake, thats rare really.
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Anyone seen the movie "The Green Mile"? that one was one of my favorites... pretty sad that they had to put some people into the electric chair, even though they judge them too quickly without proof...and put one man who was found holding two dead girls was found guilty only because he was black... *sigh* such poor judgement, if you ask me

it seems that more black people were put in death rows than whites
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I do not agree on death pentality uknow why???? too many get away with it, too many innocents die if they find out too late they didn't do the murder, rape whatever, if they are doing life sentence they should go to MAX security prison and let them out only one hr each day and then that's it! 23 hrs of lock up with nothing but thier brains to think of the crimes they did! So seriously Death pentality is the easy way out, by two choices, gas chamber or leathal injection, no USA will do the hang them, firing squad or cut thier balls off and have them sing high falsetto, seriously it's too easy for them! so what the next best thing???? life setence in maxium security prison with only 1 hr out each day for showers and excerise that's it!
Java -- the thousands of tax dollars to "babysit" the inmates while there and they would be deemed as the worst of the worst would be wayy too expensive -- and with today's technology there are many ways to prevent an innocent person from being charged with a crime they have not commited -- i still think that the USA is being too easy on the inmates anyway -- they get an easy death by injection which i think is not right -- and besides 23 hours of lock up with only 1 hour of excercise only would clutter up the cells with all the other inmates who are also in lock up 23 hrs a day with 1 hour of excercise period -- that would then lead to a massive overcrowding issue much worse than it is now
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I do not agree on death pentality uknow why???? too many get away with it, too many innocents die if they find out too late they didn't do the murder, rape whatever, if they are doing life sentence they should go to MAX security prison and let them out only one hr each day and then that's it! 23 hrs of lock up with nothing but thier brains to think of the crimes they did! So seriously Death pentality is the easy way out, by two choices, gas chamber or leathal injection, no USA will do the hang them, firing squad or cut thier balls off and have them sing high falsetto, seriously it's too easy for them! so what the next best thing???? life setence in maxium security prison with only 1 hr out each day for showers and excerise that's it!
How often does that happen? With better technology these days, it's harder for that kind of mistake to happen.
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true we do love techies, and i understand ur point fly, but i for one think let them die a SLOW death considering what they have done to the victims! some died a slow death and some just died a brutal death, for my point of veiw life sentence even tho i know there is overcrowding of the jails, it's a rarity today s society now to put anyone to death pentality without botching up the DNA, I just think of my respectablity of this, die a slow death by serving life sentence i know some lifers in prison who are suffering, one woman i remmy hearing abt did a terriorist on the plane if i remmy the yr that's right 1984 when the twa flight was hijacked, three men and one woman was charged to serve life sentence, to make all suffer for the turmoil of the nation and the plane. and this woman that's doing a life sentence will be serving til she dies she's now currently in her 80s and her health's failing, she suffered two heart attacks, so its no suprise she won't be around much longer. but still concept of this she in the duration of the heart attack confessed t o the hijacking and etc. and asked god to forgive her, but she herself will never get out ansd when she dies she ll go to the county plot cementary due to no family will be claiming her they all died as well. So she's the last surving family, pity on her for her stupidity, but there's nothing we can do.

I ll be honest on only two things, only murderers and cop killers should get the death pentality and the child molesters should serve life sentence with no parole status, to teach them that in no certainity should they be allow to roam free where there are childrens EVERYWHERE!

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I don't support death penalty.

Remember Dr Cripple, his tenant was found guilty and put to death by hanging after the death of Dr Cripple's wife. Few years later he admitted he killed his own wife! Britain feel remorsed about this and because of it death penalty is not used since 1960s. Australia follows the same example as Britain, death penalty is banned too.

Well, have you read a book about USSR's mad man who killed about 200 children, and he was caught several times and his DNA shows he has different semen and different blood, because he had one in a million rare and he got away with it and kill more and more innocent children to satisfied his hunger until Japanese research found it is possible rare and he got caught and put to death! DNA is not 100% accurate!!
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Exactly RedRum!

Marc Dutrouxīs case as murder, sexual abuse, kidnapped is the CHILDREN is a most scandal as the same as other examples like this
British Jack the Ripper & 14 victim (play with womenīs organ with knife after raped).
British Gay Dennis who lived next road my Grandmaīs house with many victims (raped men/boys/tourist then cut their bodies with electrical saw & boil them, then throw them into toilet etc) are the most horrible condition.
This situation, I said to myself when I was angry that they deserved the right to be punish to death.
BUT BUT BUT
I think itīs not good idea to support death penalty.
The reason is Iīm not support death penalty because alot of innocent people were punish to death after believe the false witnesses, DNA etc. Yes, Iīm also agree that DNA is not 100% accurate.
Example of all.
John Evans was put to death by hanged because they beleive policemanīs not him because the policeman is a "police". Few years later after that they realized itīs him, not John who murdered his wives & women, then hide them behind the wall, also buried them, too etc. Itīs sad that they canīt make John alive because of this.
Few months after Ruth Ellisīs last hanged (sheīs last woman who hanged), then the law was changed for banned death penalty in 1965.
Jack the Ripperīs case , Margaret Thatcher received her furious people against him to be punish to death. The government asked their people for the vote to support death penalty. Thereīre many influence from Medias, polities, etc over innocent people in the past until weīre agreed to not support death penalty so they put him long life sentence to share with severe criminals there which we know thereīre severe volience around.... He was ended to hospital many times. Gay Dennis is also followed him there. He also was put in hospital, too but they are not only one but alot.... They suffered there... beat up, rape, etc.

I rather to see them suffering there than just put them to death like "sleep" after suffered within few to 15 minutes because they deserve to be suffering REST of their life after what they have done to their victims!!!
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No wonder, what you talked about him.. Espically I dunno who that guy cuz must be related to USA..
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