Angel

Wrong!...

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Cheri

Listen here dont put words in my mouth when u don't know what im thinking or saying.. first of all Did I say you were wrong no I did not I said that Religion should not mix with Government please pay attention to what I posted. I did not say I do not agree with God.. Since when do everyone followed everything God says? Everyone lies, some steal, some kill some become jealous.. etc u name it .. dont tell me u perfect at it u not u a human being just like everyone else in this world today! that doesnt mean we are Devil or follow Devil's way. We still believe in God. But we do not use God to run our country as an Government. Cuz it does not make the problems solved it makes it worse .... cuz Some people believe in different Religions.

*getting off my soapBox*

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Maria

That's your quote above this line... You stated that "Don't force people to have the same belief as you do"... that's like you said I forced people to belief the same as I do. :rme: I don't force people. You got the wrong picture here. I am speakin' of SPIRITUALLY itself, not the flesh. It's people's business to do whateva they want to do with their OWN FLESH, that's their choices, but their SPIRITUAL is God's business to deal with, not mine. That's all I know through the scriptures.

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*done with my soapbox*

Angel

This is what you posted earlier...and isn't that forcing American people?...

Like I said please read carefully!

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Maria

Yes, that's right. Would you put God first before your family, wouldn't you? If, so... same idea!

Maria

Not with that word "force" tsk tsk

(Excuse me for edit... blaah)

Banjo

Just to make sure I get what you're saying...

Question: Which come first?

A) God, and then the Family.

B) Family, and then the God.

Please pick the answer.

Angel

That an easy question ....the answer is ' Yes ' I put God first before my family ....again what does this have to do with our Government?.....That's not the same thing CyberRed....U are asking all the American people to put God first before Government!

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Maria

A (same idea... *Chuckles*)

Banjo

Are you aware that the MAJORITY of Christian families put their families first, not God?

Maria

Yes, that is right. Know why? Because we have to RESPECT and HONOR God first before the Government... the same way you would with God before your family. That's what I talked about by puttin' God first before the Government!

Malfoyish

:::yawwwwn:::

Hey, if people are attracted to other people of the same sex, then they should be able to do whatever it is that makes them happy...because if they're not happy, they become bitter, irritated and maybe some commit crimes, etc...ya know? Is that worth it? No, I don't think so.

I think we need to leave people alone and let God do the judging. That's what he's there for. We're just here to be nice and to accept people for who they are and not for their sexual preferences. That's just wrong.

That's my two cents. I'm goin' back to bed.

Malfoyish

Maria

Hey ... I need a break ! Time for supper ...

CatoCooper13

In my opinion, I believe there's only ONE Being - God/Goddess/It -- any different types of religion, all are worshipping the same Being despite the differences in names and gender.
Ok..this aside -- what does the Being have to do with how the Government's being run?

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*Clapping*....

Very Well said Mayfoyish!...

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Maria

I am aware of that... *Chuckles*

Maria

Well, have you noticed that some presidents do pray ?

Banjo

Yes, and it's to be done in private.

kuifje75

Buddha taught us to be compassionate of other people's sufferings by saying "Do not judge a person until you have walked in his shoes." I think we should be tolerant of differences in the society, and since the government is separate from the religion, then God HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAWS. CyberRed, your GOD is not my GOD, yet you think that it is absolutely wrong for me to marry a man just because YOUR GOD said so? Didn't your God teach you not to be judgmental? If your next door neighbour committed adultery, it is not your responsibility to make it right. Neither is it your responsibility to make it right to forbid gay and lesbian marriages. Did you know that less than 100 years ago, Deaf people were not allowed to marry each other? Because they thought it was cruel to bring deaf children into the world. I think most of us would scoff at this statement today. I think in a generation from now, people will scoff at the idea that people protested against gay and lesbian marriages.

Maria

I know my GOD is not your GOD, if you say. Like I mentioned earlier.. it's people's choices whateva they want to do with their bodies. I am just sharin' my belief here. No harm done, Kuifje75. And of course, it is nice to know that each one of you share yours... this is what AD is for.

I never knew that. I guess, that was way before I was born.

Well, it doesn't happen around here in this town. Most of them are married couples/families around here. I have NEVER saw a single day that the people protested against gay and lesbian marriages in my entire life. Oh, yes I've seen them on NEWS, but never in my REAL life to see them. And, even thou I do admit that I've never seen a gay or lesbian makin' out themselves in real life. *Chuckles*

Maria

Wait a minute..my mind just popped up to remma somethin' . I do recall seein' the magazine that showed the President Bush's in prayer on the magazine's cover. Don't you happen to remma that, do you? I think it was on the cover of Newsweek or other different name of magazine. I know it's rare, not showin' their prayers in public much.

CatoCooper13

Yes, I am aware of some presidents that do pray -- but it's done behind closed doors and they don't bring 'God' into the Government Body.

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illustrator

I believe that marriage mean for to have a family. How can same gender can given birth of children on their own? No.

That's simple.

Like I said. Gay can have freedom, but they don't need the "personal right".

illustrator

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations."**

SOURCE: Abraham Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865

More quote which certain words that belong to religious. Why, Banjo? Why Lincoln is one of most famous president and part of religious, eh?

Banjo

Just a bit of a caution, many Lincoln quotes you see on the internet are false, and they belong to somebody else.

But what you said, yes he did say it. There's a difference between forcing and speaking of it.

President Bush is forcing his religion onto his current events.

kuifje75

I think everybody's definition of marriage is different. Not all couples marry so that they can have children. Some couples do get married, but decide not to have children. Does that mean that marriage is not for them?

Did you know that gay couples are denied by the government the rights of married couples? If a person dies, his/her partner is not eligible to get the things from the partner who died. The things go to family first and so on. It is a big mess. Also, in some hospitals, they will not allow partners visit gay/lesbian patients because they are not officially married or related. There are many more reasons why it is unfair to deny gay and lesbian people the right to marry.

Roadrunner

*quietly watching and reading exerpts of many of you throughout this thread*

I neither condone gay/lesbian marriage OR say that they cannot do it or it's not a moral thing to do....

EVERYONE is indeed entitled to however their beliefs and/or own religion may be in regards to having a gay/lesbian relationship or lifestyle...I cannot put words in their heads what they can or can't do...which IS why we have the inner will inside of our hearts to choose...to have choices....
it's in my sincerest hopes that one day they might see the 'Truth'....

I won't preach what God has to say about this...all I can honestly say is that everyone has the free will to choose how they want to live their life....with the choices that each do make....

It's similiar to suffering the consequences of what choice we make, for example, if someone choose to stick their finger in a socket, the consequences might be fatal...likewise, with any choice we make in life...it's ours alone...and to be respected...like for any gay/lesbian couple, etc..., I will not frown upon them, yet, I will consider them 'friends'...and not lash out against their ways or speak ill or evil of them whatsoever. I have known several ppls. that fit in this sort of lifestyle, they act just like anyone else I know...I will not put myself in their face for what they do, but the one thing I can do is *pray* for these individuals secretly....

It's true that God and any form of government do not associate with one another...in other words, do not mix rightfully so....

If I saw a gay or lesbian couple...I will NOT jump in and tell them God is gonna get them for what they are doing....likewise here in this thread....bringing up God here in a way can truly turn some ppls. off and further do more damage spiritually and physically....let's keep God out of this thread....for not everyone shares the same religion or beliefs here via AllDeaf....and let's try to stick to the subject at hand in this thread....

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Banjo

and let's not forget the "Christian" married couples who goes through "Unnatural" process in order to get pregnant.

Fertilizing eggs in a science lab is not natural because it is not done through a sex intercourse.

What about the infertile couples since they cannot produce children, so how is the purpose of marriage served?

Yet, you call homosexual sex activities unnatural when in fact many heterosexual couples do it the same way.

Sodomy is done by MANY heterosexual couples. So it is really no difference from homosexual sex activities.

When you think about it, we are really just made up of organs but we are able to think on our own. A penis get inserted into an anus, and this applies to both heterosexuality and homosexuality. How is it "unnatural" when it has been proven that people get orgasms by having anal sex due to the prostate getting pressed on?

Sorry, but I don't see how it is unnatural as a sex activity. But in order to "reproduce", you will have to go with a penis and a vagina to achieve it.

But homosexual couples can always find a male donor or a female willing to carry the baby... or they go go to the adoption centres.

But of course, too many adoption centres are biased when it come to sexual orientation.

It is also unfair that gay couples get denied their rights when it come to hospital visits, benefits, etc, etc simply because it is frowned upon on from the society.

kuifje75

I secretly pray for the people who lack the compassion towards the others.