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02-05-2004, 12:42 PM
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Climbing the Walls
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Serious
I had to get it out of my system first...but actually I think she may have been like me...I can't stay serious long enough...she may have been amused by the painting of her portrait...and trying not to laugh.
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02-05-2004, 01:51 PM
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Just me
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Location: Wherever i want to be LOL
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yea thats what the word is going around that Mona Lisa was actually Leonardo with himself painted as a woman -- as for the smile -- good question i dunno why he was smiling in the portrait uhmm
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02-05-2004, 01:58 PM
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Premium Lurker
 
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Make sense
Look at old fashion photograph, they use werid camera that which take long time for to get picutre. That make people lost patience and losing their smile slowly. Most picture from early 1900's or so, many people don't smile much. I have a dumb question. When did the mirror invented? come out in 1400's? If so, he might look at the mirror too much while painting on the pine wood. Myself, I admire Mona Lisa. Figure it out after look at my avatar. 
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02-05-2004, 02:07 PM
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Maybe the smile on the Mona Lisa was created to break with a long-standing tradition in the art world of the day where no smiles were crafted in portraits;thereby blazing a new trail, a new genre?? Just off the top of my head....
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02-05-2004, 02:24 PM
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That's me!
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My guess.. Mona lisa have no choice and kept stay smiling while painting job must to til be done! Atternative peoples are watch'n Mona and make sure not moves.. probably whipp'n her... Pretty awful long years ago alikely 1900's
well sorry I'm not born that year of... :?:
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02-05-2004, 02:44 PM
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This looks interesting...
 It could be just himself!
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02-05-2004, 02:53 PM
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Mona Lisa (La Jaconde, as it is known in France where the painting is held in) is really an interesting piece of work. I never saw it that way that it might be a self portrait?
I agree with some people here... Years ago, people didn't smile when taking pics. Maybe it could be because they had bad teeth? or maybe it was considered to be a social faux pas years ago to smile in photos or paintings. |
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02-05-2004, 04:19 PM
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is leaving for good.
Join Date: Oct 2003
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[sighing]
A self-portrait of Da Vinci? PUH-LEASE. [swiping out her art history textbook] It is actually a portrait of a lady, ... in 1500 (not 1900 or anything)... [sighing] everybody needs to take a course in art history... [moving on] The art historians have discovered hard evidences to believe that the true identity of the lady, whom happened to be Maria Gherardini, the wife of Francese del Giocondo. The painting got its name because the wife was usually called, "my lady" because she was wealthy, and the italian word for my lady is Mona Lisa- a contraction of ma donna- my lady. Didja know the painting was BIGGER than what it appeared to be.. it started out with an anicent Greek structure- withe columns in the far right in the background but somebody decided to CUT it off so it only had the lady in the center. The lady was supposed to be appeared inside, (you see those little wall behind her int he below? She is supposed to sit in the "hallway" with open-window to see the landscape) The only reason she APPEARED to smile is because of the shade and the painting tenchique he used. If one removes all the shades and so on, it would look like as if her mouth is like this :-| but the shades techique- called "chiaroscuro" which added a smoky effect, ends up "dimpling" her little "grin"... (SO MANY of painting were CUT off or altered.... DAMN them!) ..........Any art history questions, do ask me.  I got all facts and everything from ancient to modern arts in my wonderful two thick books.  [edit: I added the picture to give you an idea of the little wall and etc that I mentioned in my entry.] [EDIT AGAIN: And if you disagree about the "smoky" effect, then the ONLY other theory that I am willing to accept is that da Vinci (not Da Vinci...!!) was trying to break away from the art tradition. Remmeber, 1500s was the period of Roman Catholic where if one appears to have too much fun/enjoyment, it is a SIN. All the paintings during that period were Virgin Mary, Jesus H Christ and zillion of other religious figures... and out of the blue, we got some rich lady smiling away. da Vinci was a philospher and open-minded... yet he did the religious paintings but he did enjoy the "nature", the way the nature intended everything to be and he would paint/draw them the EXACTLY way. Maybe taht lady was happy to be frigging rich and had da Vinci doing her portrait and da Vinci included it because that was waht he was SEEING. Get me?] 
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02-05-2004, 06:23 PM
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02-05-2004, 07:50 PM
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Just me
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 Cheri -- u arent alone!!!!!! <---- an idiot when it comes to art history too :-/ |
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02-06-2004, 11:08 AM
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Rattus Norvegicus
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There was a theory put forth a few years ago by a dentist that the Mona Lisa showed all the classic signs of bruxism (teeth grinding) and TMJ (temporomandibular joint dysfunction). Hence, the apparent smile.
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02-06-2004, 11:35 AM
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Where is my car ?
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that is what i think -- i know few people like george washington not smile bec of fake teeth. |
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02-08-2004, 09:07 PM
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Rattus Norvegicus
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Why is the Mona Lisa the most recognized work of art in the world? Just ask Cecil Adams, the wisest man who has ever lived:
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mmonalisa.html Mona Lisa, Mona Lisa, men have named you You're so like the lady with the mystic smile Is it only 'cause you're lonely they have blamed you? For that Mona Lisa strangeness in your smile? Do you smile to tempt a lover, Mona Lisa? Or is this your way to hide a broken heart? Many dreams have been brought to your doorstep They just lie there and they die there Are you warm, are you real, Mona Lisa? Or just a cold and lonely lovely work of art? Do you smile to tempt a lover, Mona Lisa? Or is this your way to hide a broken heart? Many dreams have been brought to your doorstep They just lie there and they die there Are you warm, are you real, Mona Lisa? Or just a cold and lonely lovely work of art? —Nat King Cole |
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02-08-2004, 09:37 PM
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Sfumato would be the term for the "smoky" background - which is made of soft and thick shades. I can see that it would be about perspectives which can affect the art with trick angles. Notice how the both sides of the background don't match in the depth of distance - left horizon seems to be more lower than the right horizon. It probably is the reason for the mystery of the smile and why Mona Lisa seems to change positions to us everytime we see her! da Vinci was smart as hell, for sure.
I also think it is still a theory that Mona Lisa is the wife of Francesco del Giocondo but a very good one nevertheless! Perhaps ol' L conjured this model out of his visions only. Some people call this painting La Gioconda now based on that theory. I kinda like Mona Lisa. hehehe.. it's possible that it could mean "My promise from God" like he thinks God promised him a beauty like this one or something... hehehe... but then I could be just reaching for straws. It's really fun to guess and discuss these things. Dada and Surrealist artists also parodied Mona Lisa. Ever seen her with the moustache? Yep. That's also known as a real piece of art. hehehe I also studied art history and modern art for a year in college. It is one of my favorite subjects to talk about, too. 
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02-08-2004, 09:39 PM
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02-09-2004, 01:50 AM
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Am attached and in LOVE!
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Despite having admired so many artistic portraits in different art galleries, I still haven't quite absorbed the history of each famous ones in its entirity.
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02-20-2004, 11:22 PM
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tha hemp goddess
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the da vinci code (by dan brown)
... that book is extremely good and it reveals a lot about the painting it is said that she smiles because she has a secret: this world is out of harmony, imbalanced men have the upper hand (perhaps because of the catholic religion?) da vinci was into equality (the god and the goddess) and her name was derivated from the male egyptian god of fertility (Amon, which can be rearranged into Mona) and the egyptian goddess of fertility (Isis, which is also known as Lisa) that's only the short end of it |
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