Social Experiment - the Muslims

**Jiro** · 10-18-2009, 04:17 PM

YouTube - abc Primetime - How Muslims Are Treated In USA

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Think America is a multicultural society, accepting and tolerant of all cultures? Think again. This moving video lifts the lid on the way Americans really treat Muslims.

ABC has set up a social experiment where a traditionally dressed Muslim girl is refused service in a store. The reactions of the customers who witness this injustice tell us a lot about the attitudes of modern Americans.

It starts out negatively, with a man commending the store keeper for his bigoted behavior. But it isn’t doom and gloom. Many other witnesses are vocal in their disapproval.

While the early parts of the video are disgusting, the later parts give me hope. From the footage we see it’s the older customers who are so blatantly bigoted. When young people speak up it makes me think perhaps Americans are evolving into a more accepting bunch.

I can dream, can’t I?

while I look for transcript for this..... some of my searches led me to few other stuff.

**Jiro** · 10-18-2009, 04:34 PM

I'm not able to find a transcript but I found a detailed summary of that video

Bystanders Turn Away When Muslim Actor Hired By 'Primetime' Encounters Hostility

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The Sept. 11 attacks, the Iraq war and suicide bombings worldwide have changed not only the way we live but the way we look at those around us, especially Muslims. "Islamophobia" has entered the American vernacular, and the anti-Muslim attitudes and prejudice it describes remain common.

But what if you witnessed "Islamophobia" in action and saw someone being victimized because of someone else's prejudices? What would you do?

ABC's production crew outfitted The Czech Stop, a bustling roadside bakery north of Waco, Texas, with hidden cameras and two actors. One played a female customer wearing a traditional Muslim head scarf, or hijab. The other acted as a sales clerk who refused to serve her and spouted common anti-Muslim and anti-Arab slurs.

The polarity of reactions was shocking, from support to seething disapproval. Never did we expect customers to be so passionate or candid.

CLICK HERE for more reactions caught on tape!
His Place, His Right
Our actor, Sabina, walked into the bakery in search of apple strudel. When she reached the counter, an actor posing as a sales clerk was quick to greet her with hateful anti-Muslim language.

"Get back on the camel and go back to wherever you came from," he said. "You got that towel on your head. I don't know what's underneath your dress. Just please take your business and go elsewhere with it."

"Sir, I am an American, I was born and raised here," she said.

The other customers seemed to hear the exchange but they barely looked toward our actors. When no one came to her defense, Sabina made a direct appeal to one customer.

"Sir, would you mind ordering me an apple strudel? That's why I am here," Sabina said.

Though visibly shaken by the hateful words, the man gave Sabina the cold shoulder, completed his purchase, and walked out of the bakery. "I really think that a person who owns his own business should be able to say who they sell to," he said after we told him about the experiment. In fact, it is illegal for public establishments to deny service based on someone's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, according to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Regardless, this man was not the only customer to defend our sales clerk's "right" to discriminate.

A Narrowly Defined America
A little while later, Sabina again entered the bakery, and again our sales clerk refused to serve her. This time, one man spoke up, but not on behalf of the Muslim woman. He was adamant that our sales clerk did the right thing. "She wasn't dressed right," he said. "If I was running the place I'd do the same thing." Once again, our sales clerk garnered customer support. After Sabina left the bakery seemingly frustrated and empty-handed, one man thanked the sales clerk for his discriminatory behavior. He then gave our actor a thumbs-up, not once, but twice. Jack Dovidio, a social psychologist at Yale University, said these men seemed to define "American" based on the way people look. They connected with the sales clerk and considered our female actor an outsider. "When we as Americans feel threatened from the outside, we're going to define ourselves in very rigid fashions," Dovidio said. "Either you're with me, and if you're not really one of me, then you must be somebody else who's against me."
A Very Different America
The young woman in our experiment was an actor, but many of the hateful words she heard were based on the experiences of Chicago-born Nohayia Javed, who was watching our experiment from the control van. Javed said she has continually suffered verbal abuse and said she has even been physically attacked by fellow Americans just because she is Muslim. "They always start off with, 'you're a terrorist, Osama-lover, towel-head, camel jockey' on and on," Javed said. "If I tell them I'm American, they're like, 'No you're not. Just because you were born here doesn't make you American.' And I'm like, 'What makes you American?'"

Javed is not alone. The number of anti-Islamic hate crime incidents in the United States has more than quadrupled from 28 incidents in 2000 to 156 incidents in 2006, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's most recent figures.

Back in the bakery, the next customers had a very different answer to the question of American identity. First we met a man who angrily refused to buy anything when the sales clerk refused to serve Sabina. When our actor chastised him for being a "bad American," he begged to differ. "I believe I am a good American," he said. "My son just came back from serving in the army for over a year in Iraq and that has nothing to do with her [Sabina's] rights. I am deeply offended by this."

When we told him about the experiment, he explained why he stood up for Sabina. "I believe that people who use dress, skin color, language, heritage, financial means, education level, any of those things to say one group is better than another are using empty excuses for bigotry and hatred, and there's been enough hatred," he said.

We also met two young women who refused to let our sales clerk's hateful words go unchecked. "Sir, we are not buying our kolaches because you are really offensive and disgusting," one said. "Just because she's dressed like that doesn't mean anything," said the other, a Muslim-American woman herself. Rather than simply taking their business elsewhere, the young women demanded to speak to the manager, and they also challenged our sales clerk's definition of "American." "She's American. She's American. I'm American. You're the one that's anti-American right now," one said to the sales clerk.

When he refused to budge and our actress turned to leave, the two women walked out with her in a show of support.
The Silent Majority
Even though people seemed to have strong opinions on either side, more than half of the bystanders did or said absolutely nothing. This is a familiar reaction for many Muslims such as Javed. "I was shocked because when these things happen to me in real life & I never see what happens after I walk out of that store," she said. "I would try to justify & that they probably didn't hear it & when I watched it, I realized, no, they hear it and they see it and they're okay with it." For Javed, tears of fear were mixed with tears of thanks for those she saw come forward to support Sabina. "In my lifetime, I've never ever had anybody stand up for me," Javed said. "It's very touching to see that because that's the right thing to do, I believe & as an American."

CLICK HERE to read four popular misconceptions about Muslims.

**Jiro** · 10-18-2009, 04:43 PM

so my problem is.... what's with people especially Caucasian telling to non-white people - "Go back to where you're from" even though non-white people were born and raised in America?

what's even sadder is that these people who proudly announced themselves as "Proud American" don't even know their own Constitution and laws. what people did at the end gave me a hope that America can come out of this bigotry and racism sooner or later...

so the question still remains for decades - "WHAT MAKES YOU AMERICAN?"

**KarissaMann05** · 10-18-2009, 08:39 PM

Thank you for post it, Jiro! I agreed with a few comments in youtube that people need to be wake up one day.

I know one Deaf teacher at my former school and she was originally from Iran, and moved to America. She now want to be American civilian and is waiting for become a USA civilian (I don't know if she already become one or not, yet). She's very fantastic science teacher and is awesome person but she's not a Muslim. Sadly, a few people and students assumed that she was. I remember she once told me that her parents went to visit my old science teacher at her place. But they had to go to police office (I think? I'm not sure) and a police interviewed with them for three hours to make so sure that her parents are not terrorists or something like that. Just because they are also from Iran... I feel sad that people distrust Arabians, Muslims, and others in our country, and even Arabian/Muslim/others Americans, too.

I feel that there are not all Arabians, Muslims, Iranians, and others are bad people...

**Reba** · 10-18-2009, 09:02 PM

Interesting.

We have many women in our community who wear the hijab. I see them shopping, at the hospitals (patients and staff), at the beach, and at the college. I haven't seen anyone mistreated. I'm not saying it doesn't happen; I just haven't seen that happen here.

**KarissaMann05** · 10-18-2009, 09:03 PM

I just look at those comments. They are pretty depressing to read.

**Jiro** · 10-18-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Interesting.

We have many women in our community who wear the hijab. I see them shopping, at the hospitals (patients and staff), at the beach, and at the college. I haven't seen anyone mistreated. I'm not saying it doesn't happen; I just haven't seen that happen here.

me either. That video occurred in Waco, TX. I know it's just a few bad eggs who are very racist.

CJB · 10-18-2009, 09:49 PM

I can't even relate to why someone would deny service to a Muslim person or condone denying service to a Muslim. What does their religion have to do with their being a customer? I know it's a set up experiment but it does reflect real-life situations.

I'm glad to hear they disapproved the second time.

CJB · 10-18-2009, 09:58 PM

Thanks for the transcription, Jiro.

dogmom · 10-18-2009, 10:05 PM

that's SAD and disgusting mistreatment, but again I am not surprised. It happened after 9/11 and still happens, like racism/hate in general. But I was glad to read that SOME of the customers came to her assistance!

yeah, Jiro - that "go back to where you came from" - many, many people came here from other countries over the years, including white people. 500 years of holocaust has occurred due to invasion by Europeans, who came from somewhere else.

SJCSue · 07-05-2010, 12:21 PM

If this happened when my friend/co-worker (who happens to be a Muslim) and I went out together, I would defend her regardless of what happens.

netrox · 07-15-2010, 01:25 PM

Wait a minute..."When we told him about the experiment, he explained why he stood up for Sabina. "I believe that people who use dress, skin color, language, heritage, financial means, education level, any of those things to say one group is better than another are using empty excuses for bigotry and hatred, and there's been enough hatred," he said."

Please don't tell me about bigotry when they practice it so widely in Islamic countries:

Human rights in Islamic countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

jillio · 07-20-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so my problem is.... what's with people especially Caucasian telling to non-white people - "Go back to where you're from" even though non-white people were born and raised in America?

what's even sadder is that these people who proudly announced themselves as "Proud American" don't even know their own Constitution and laws. what people did at the end gave me a hope that America can come out of this bigotry and racism sooner or later...

so the question still remains for decades - "WHAT MAKES YOU AMERICAN?"

America is one of the least tolerant societies in existence. It began with the attempt to assimilate the Native Americans, and continues to this day. And most of the people spouting out nonsense like "Go back where you came from" could realistically be told the very same thing if their heritage was checked.

**TXgolfer** · 07-21-2010, 05:34 AM

Waco you say???? Interesting choice of a town for this experiment.....

I am not familiar with a Czech stop in Waco though......wonder if it was actually in the town of West......about 20 miles from Waco. Neat town, I have been to Westfest many times. It is an almost 100% Czech population. I have been to THAT Czech stop mant times.

The media likes to trash Waco because it is mostly Baptist and home to Baylor......They also associate the Koresh compound with Waco even though it was miles away.

**TXgolfer** · 07-21-2010, 05:43 AM

Dp

**Reba** · 07-21-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

America is one of the least tolerant societies in existence....

Not true.

**Beowulf** · 07-21-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Not true.

**Daredevel7** · 07-21-2010, 01:26 PM

I have this friend who is a Muslim and wears a hijab. She got raped right on the streets walking home from college. The police never caught the guy. I am not saying she got raped because she was Muslim, but..... doesn't it make you wonder?

**Beowulf** · 07-21-2010, 01:47 PM

On that day of 9/11 I was given a ride home from work when we saw a Muslim woman walking down the sidewalk and wearing a hijab and carrying a bag of groceries. Passing car drivers threw cans of soda at her and my friends in the car I was in yelled at her as we passed. I am ashamed to admit I did nothing.

**Banjo** · 07-21-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Not true.

Then how do you explain why there are so many people who are lactose intolerant?

I demand an answer now.

yizuman · 07-21-2010, 01:56 PM

What I love about the Liberal Media is that they make sensationalized stories to make the problem look alot bigger than it actually appears.

Given to bigotry, the problem is actually smaller from what I have seen on a day to day basis. I've hardly seen much hate, even after 9/11. They are few and in between.

Society has changed alot since WWII when the Japanese Americans were interred into prison camps after Pearl Harbor was attacked. The lesson is still remembered to this day and I don't think we'll have to worry much about seeing Muslims being interred into camps like the previous one.

However, I do reserve judgment regarding how Islam is treating non-Muslims outside of the US, given the history in times past where many countries have been overrun by the Islamic military (similar to how the USSR has done) and forcing people to convert to Islam or face beheading. Also the fact how "infidels" are treated. You can find actual videos of "infidels" being beheaded, but beware the actual scenes is very unsettling and heart retching to watch.

There's always two sides of the story. Some Muslim factions don't believe in violence and rather follow the path to peace and respect other people's beliefs, while there are extremists that follow a hardlined path towards people outside of their faith as well as hardlined actions towards people of their own faith.

Yiz

**TXgolfer** · 07-21-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Then how do you explain why there are so many people who are lactose intolerant?

I demand an answer now.

I second this....and add if we are so tolerant where are all the people who tolerate intolerance and intolerants!!!!!

**Beowulf** · 07-21-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I second this....and add if we are so tolerant where are all the people who tolerate intolerance and intolerants!!!!!

Hey, stay on topic! Lactose intolerant tipplers tolerate toblerones! What gives?

yizuman · 07-21-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Hey, stay on topic! Lactose intolerant tipplers tolerate toblerones! What gives?

Liberals attempting to derail threads that they don't agree with their personal beliefs.

How's that for bigotry?

Yiz

**TXgolfer** · 07-21-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

On that day of 9/11 I was given a ride home from work when we saw a Muslim woman walking down the sidewalk and wearing a hijab and carrying a bag of groceries. Passing car drivers threw cans of soda at her and my friends in the car I was in yelled at her as we passed. I am ashamed to admit I did nothing.

Maybe I am wrong (probably even) But I don't hold any non muslim accountable for what they did on 9/11 or even a few days after. The images of muslims in other countries celebrating the attacks in the streets with the lalalas and passing out candy to children were tough to handle.

Yeah I know know.......it was radical islam, not everyone. But on those first few days I think it was understandable that emotions could get the best of some people.

I am not in any way saying she deserved it....but going to market wearing a Hijab hours after the attacks might have been a poor choice on her part. .

**Daredevel7** · 07-21-2010, 02:08 PM

Honestly, I think it has nothing to do with Muslims. I think it has to do with hate and blame. Muslims happen to be the flavor of the day.

Sometimes I lose track of who I am supposed to hate.

Today, I heard the N word for the first time in a long time. (As a joke, but still...) I asked him, "Oh, are we supposed to hate black people again?" and rolled my eyes. He knew I didn't like the joke and doubt he will ever tell me things like that again.

**Beowulf** · 07-21-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Liberals attempting to derail threads that they don't agree with their personal beliefs.

How's that for bigotry?

Yiz

Ole TXgolfer a liberal? Sic him!

Anyway, yizuman, I was just having goofy fun. Sorry about that.

**Banjo** · 07-21-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Liberals attempting to derail threads that they don't agree with their personal beliefs.

How's that for bigotry?

Yiz

Try to not read into it so much. You can be difficult to please sometimes.

**TXgolfer** · 07-21-2010, 02:15 PM

Liberal?????

**Banjo** · 07-21-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Liberal?????

I know! How dare he?

10-18-2009, 04:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 61,226	so my problem is.... what's with people especially Caucasian telling to non-white people - "Go back to where you're from" even though non-white people were born and raised in America? what's even sadder is that these people who proudly announced themselves as "Proud American" don't even know their own Constitution and laws. what people did at the end gave me a hope that America can come out of this bigotry and racism sooner or later... so the question still remains for decades - "WHAT MAKES YOU AMERICAN?" __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95 Last edited by Jiro; 10-18-2009 at 09:06 PM. Reason: minor grammar correction as usual

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07-21-2010, 05:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
TXgolfer Dream Weaver Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 18,061	Waco you say???? Interesting choice of a town for this experiment..... I am not familiar with a Czech stop in Waco though......wonder if it was actually in the town of West......about 20 miles from Waco. Neat town, I have been to Westfest many times. It is an almost 100% Czech population. I have been to THAT Czech stop mant times. The media likes to trash Waco because it is mostly Baptist and home to Baylor......They also associate the Koresh compound with Waco even though it was miles away. __________________ Ps 109:8 let his days be few,and let another take his office -KJV- Last edited by TXgolfer; 07-21-2010 at 08:34 AM.

07-21-2010, 05:43 AM	#15 (permalink)
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07-21-2010, 01:56 PM	#21 (permalink)
yizuman Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,370	What I love about the Liberal Media is that they make sensationalized stories to make the problem look alot bigger than it actually appears. Given to bigotry, the problem is actually smaller from what I have seen on a day to day basis. I've hardly seen much hate, even after 9/11. They are few and in between. Society has changed alot since WWII when the Japanese Americans were interred into prison camps after Pearl Harbor was attacked. The lesson is still remembered to this day and I don't think we'll have to worry much about seeing Muslims being interred into camps like the previous one. However, I do reserve judgment regarding how Islam is treating non-Muslims outside of the US, given the history in times past where many countries have been overrun by the Islamic military (similar to how the USSR has done) and forcing people to convert to Islam or face beheading. Also the fact how "infidels" are treated. You can find actual videos of "infidels" being beheaded, but beware the actual scenes is very unsettling and heart retching to watch. There's always two sides of the story. Some Muslim factions don't believe in violence and rather follow the path to peace and respect other people's beliefs, while there are extremists that follow a hardlined path towards people outside of their faith as well as hardlined actions towards people of their own faith. Yiz __________________

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10-18-2009, 08:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,440	Thank you for post it, Jiro! I agreed with a few comments in youtube that people need to be wake up one day. I know one Deaf teacher at my former school and she was originally from Iran, and moved to America. She now want to be American civilian and is waiting for become a USA civilian (I don't know if she already become one or not, yet). She's very fantastic science teacher and is awesome person but she's not a Muslim. Sadly, a few people and students assumed that she was. I remember she once told me that her parents went to visit my old science teacher at her place. But they had to go to police office (I think? I'm not sure) and a police interviewed with them for three hours to make so sure that her parents are not terrorists or something like that. Just because they are also from Iran... I feel sad that people distrust Arabians, Muslims, and others in our country, and even Arabian/Muslim/others Americans, too. I feel that there are not all Arabians, Muslims, Iranians, and others are bad people...

10-18-2009, 09:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,531	Interesting. We have many women in our community who wear the hijab. I see them shopping, at the hospitals (patients and staff), at the beach, and at the college. I haven't seen anyone mistreated. I'm not saying it doesn't happen; I just haven't seen that happen here.

10-18-2009, 09:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,440	I just look at those comments. They are pretty depressing to read.

10-18-2009, 09:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
CJB Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,767	I can't even relate to why someone would deny service to a Muslim person or condone denying service to a Muslim. What does their religion have to do with their being a customer? I know it's a set up experiment but it does reflect real-life situations. I'm glad to hear they disapproved the second time.

10-18-2009, 09:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
CJB Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,767	Thanks for the transcription, Jiro.

10-18-2009, 10:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,510	that's SAD and disgusting mistreatment, but again I am not surprised. It happened after 9/11 and still happens, like racism/hate in general. But I was glad to read that SOME of the customers came to her assistance! yeah, Jiro - that "go back to where you came from" - many, many people came here from other countries over the years, including white people. 500 years of holocaust has occurred due to invasion by Europeans, who came from somewhere else.

07-15-2010, 01:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,780	Wait a minute..."When we told him about the experiment, he explained why he stood up for Sabina. "I believe that people who use dress, skin color, language, heritage, financial means, education level, any of those things to say one group is better than another are using empty excuses for bigotry and hatred, and there's been enough hatred," he said." Please don't tell me about bigotry when they practice it so widely in Islamic countries: Human rights in Islamic countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

07-21-2010, 01:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 4,341	I have this friend who is a Muslim and wears a hijab. She got raped right on the streets walking home from college. The police never caught the guy. I am not saying she got raped because she was Muslim, but..... doesn't it make you wonder?

07-21-2010, 01:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
Beowulf Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10,516	On that day of 9/11 I was given a ride home from work when we saw a Muslim woman walking down the sidewalk and wearing a hijab and carrying a bag of groceries. Passing car drivers threw cans of soda at her and my friends in the car I was in yelled at her as we passed. I am ashamed to admit I did nothing.

07-21-2010, 02:08 PM	#26 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 4,341	Honestly, I think it has nothing to do with Muslims. I think it has to do with hate and blame. Muslims happen to be the flavor of the day. Sometimes I lose track of who I am supposed to hate. Today, I heard the N word for the first time in a long time. (As a joke, but still...) I asked him, "Oh, are we supposed to hate black people again?" and rolled my eyes. He knew I didn't like the joke and doubt he will ever tell me things like that again.

07-21-2010, 02:15 PM	#29 (permalink)
TXgolfer Dream Weaver Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 18,061	Liberal????? __________________ Ps 109:8 let his days be few,and let another take his office -KJV-

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