The hearing and cochlear implant debate! Share your opinion! - Page 10

Jiro · 06-02-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Nope. The only problem I have with it is that I live alone. It would really help me out if I lived with someone to practice listening everyday. It would definitely speed up the progress.

talk to people at work or lunch break. talking with my boss is kinda challenging because of his deep accent.

Daredevel7 · 06-02-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

talk to people at work or lunch break. talking with my boss is kinda challenging because of his deep accent.

I talk to people often but I lipread them. It doesn't really help me listen. And I am definitely not at that point where I can just look away and "try". I know I won't get it, no matter how many repeats. I make progress with AVT, but it's hard to make progress in real life since you have to have a high speech discrimination already to even start "listening" to everyday speech.

Lipreading doesn't really help me listen, but listening helps me to lipread, if that makes sense?

Jiro · 06-02-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I talk to people often but I lipread them. It doesn't really help me listen. And I am definitely not at that point where I can just look away and "try". I know I won't get it, no matter how many repeats. I make progress with AVT, but it's hard to make progress in real life since you have to have a high speech discrimination already to even start "listening" to everyday speech.

Lipreading doesn't really help me listen, but listening helps me to lipread, if that makes sense?

ooooo THAT. I see. try radio?

Daredevel7 · 06-02-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

ooooo THAT. I see. try radio?

I should start listening to baby songs.... at work.... lol.

Jiro · 06-02-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I should start listening to baby songs.... at work.... lol.

Pinky · 06-02-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

Going blind sounds scary, especially when you can't hear anything already. I hope I never lose my sight. I'm an artist and if I lost my sight I don't know what I would do.

Yeah, Dreama is right. It's scare. I felt the same way. The blind people do pottery, clay build, artist paint with braille for color texture. I am artist too. I don't want to lose my sight either. Because I'm jewelry making and color beads and polymer clay pendant.

Pinky · 06-02-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Even if someone indicates in their file that they do not wish to have a CI, this can always be amended at a later time.

That's right!

shel90 · 06-02-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I should start listening to baby songs.... at work.... lol.

What about listening to recordings of stories?

Pinky · 06-02-2009, 06:51 PM

I used to be very against CI when I was teen. I didn't want to have CI until 2003. I saw my third cousin got ci. I supposed not attack on his mom about CI is bad. I made mistake. I felt guilty what I did wrong in past. I asked her to forgive me. I had regret what I did wrong. I learned from deaf school and deaf education teacher against CIs. I felt like their brainwashed my mind to against CIs. I felt like a soundless sad life! I changed my mind and want to get CI right away due to my vision and balance problem.

If your ha are not working for you. You have to check your candidate. Did you take a hearing test and evaluation? I remember you said you have 140db hearing loss. Is that right?

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Originally Posted by shel90

I used to be very against CIs but I realized it was the audist views that I am against not the CIs themselves. If my HAs no longer work for me where I cant hear nothing, then I would consider to get one for environmental sounds.

That's good question. Ummm It's hard!

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Originally Posted by shel90

The point is that audiologists shouldnt push CIs on their clients. I am not interested in it and I dont want to have to deal with justifying why I dont want one everytime I visit an audie.

shel90 · 06-02-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky

I used to be very against CI when I was teen. I didn't want to have CI until 2003. I saw my third cousin got ci. I supposed not attack on his mom about CI is bad. I made mistake. I felt guilty what I did wrong in past. I asked her to forgive me. I had regret what I did wrong. I learned from deaf school and deaf education teacher against CIs. I felt like their brainwashed my mind to against CIs. I felt like a soundless sad life! I changed my mind and want to get CI right away due to my vision and balance problem.

If your ha are not working for you. You have to check your candidate. Did you take a hearing test and evaluation? I remember you said you have 140db hearing loss. Is that right?

That's good question. Ummm It's hard!

Pinky, I know how the process works and etc. I dont want a CI but if my HAs dont work for me later on, maybe I will.

Pinky · 06-02-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Pinky, I know how the process works and etc. I dont want a CI but if my HAs dont work for me later on, maybe I will.

That's good.

Hear Again · 06-02-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky

Yeah, Dreama is right. It's scare. I felt the same way. The blind people do pottery, clay build, artist paint with braille for color texture. I am artist too. I don't want to lose my sight either. Because I'm jewelry making and color beads and polymer clay pendant.

You can still do all of those things if you're blind Pinky.

Pinky · 06-03-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

You can still do all of those things if you're blind Pinky.

That's cool. If I become blind and try to cope with it. How about use labels tape with braille on any craft organizes boxes?

When I receive implant. I want to listen the music while i work on jewelry and beads. It will not make me feel boring without music. I can be distract to something stuff easy. I want to focus on my jewelry work while I listen the music.

Jiro · 06-03-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

You can still do all of those things if you're blind Pinky.

yes but it's not the same thing. for sighted people - we enjoy the aesthetic aspect in visual way while you enjoy it differently.

Hear Again · 06-03-2009, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinky

That's cool. If I become blind and try to cope with it. How about use labels tape with braille on any craft organizes boxes?

When I receive implant. I want to listen the music while i work on jewelry and beads. It will not make me feel boring without music. I can be distract to something stuff easy. I want to focus on my jewelry work while I listen the music.

You can label the boxes you place your beads in with Braille so you know what color they are. Since you already know what colors mean, you can still make your jewelry as if you could see. You can also identify beads by their shape or texture. (i.e. red is round and smooth, blue is square and rough, etc.)

You mentioned listening to music. I always have music playing in the background when I work on the computer, write, read, cook, etc.

Right now I'm playing my favorite YouTube videos while I read AD.

Pinky, if you ever have specific questions about blindness, feel free to send me a PM anytime.

Hear Again · 06-03-2009, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes but it's not the same thing. for sighted people - we enjoy the aesthetic aspect in visual way while you enjoy it differently.

Why isn't it the same thing Jiro? I can have as much enjoyment beading as someone who can see. Please do not make assumptions about something you do not know. Until you are totally blind, you have no room to comment about how pleasurable a certain hobby is or isn't.

How would you like it if I told you that you couldn't appreciate music as much as I do because I can hear it better than you?

Jiro · 06-03-2009, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Why isn't it the same thing Jiro? I can have as much enjoyment beading as someone who can see. Please do not make assumptions about something you do not know. Until you are totally blind, you have no room to comment about how pleasurable a certain hobby is or isn't.

How would you like it if I told you that you couldn't appreciate music as much as I do because I can hear it better than you?

exactly - we both do not enjoy music the same way. You just proved my point.

Hear Again · 06-03-2009, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

exactly - we both do not enjoy music the same way. You just proved my point.

You're misinterpreting again. You cannot tell me how much or little I enjoy something being totally blind just as I cannot tell you how much or little you enjoy music.

Jiro · 06-03-2009, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

You're misinterpreting again. You cannot tell me how much or little I enjoy something being totally blind just as I cannot tell you how much or little you enjoy music.

no..... no...... no......... you are gravely confused. I said you and I experience it DIFFERENTLY, not more or less. Please get it right. We are visual-based while you are audio/tactile-based. We enjoy same thing DIFFERENTLY. Obviously you and I enjoy photography arts differently.

Jiro · 06-03-2009, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Right now I'm playing my favorite YouTube videos while I read AD.

exactly - you just further proved my point. You and I enjoy youtube videos DIFFERENTLY. You enjoy LISTENING to youtube videos while we enjoy WATCHING youtube videos.

Hear Again · 06-03-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no..... no...... no......... you are gravely confused.

I'm afraid not Jiro.

You were the one who equated being able to see with having a higher degree of enjoyment.

Please stop calling me confused. I find that remark to be insulting and condescending.

I'm treating you with respect, so I would appreciate the same in return. Thank you.

Hear Again · 06-03-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

exactly - you just further proved my point. You and I enjoy youtube videos DIFFERENTLY. You enjoy LISTENING to youtube videos while we enjoy WATCHING youtube videos.

I beg to differ.

You said that Pinky couldn't enjoy beading as much being totally blind as she could if she were sighted.

Hence my comment about one mode of enjoyment not being better than another.

This is

since it has nothing to do with CIs.

Jiro · 06-03-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

I'm afraid not Jiro.

You were the one who equated being able to see with having a higher degree of enjoyment.

Please stop calling me confused. I find that remark to be insulting and condescending.

I'm treating you with respect, so I would appreciate the same in return. Thank you.

I'm afraid not, Hear Again.... Please do not make assumption out of something that didn't exist. Please point out where in my posts that I equate being able to see with having a higher degree of enjoyment.

I don't know why you're being overly-sensitive about blind subject and I have never said such thing that you cannot enjoy thing as a blind person. I said we experience it and enjoy it DIFFERENTLY.

Hear Again · 06-03-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

Your'e welcome my friend. All the best to you!!

And to you as well.

Hear Again · 06-03-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I don't know why you're being overly-sensitive about blind subject...

I am not going to continue debating this with you Jiro.

jillio · 06-03-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes but it's not the same thing. for sighted people - we enjoy the aesthetic aspect in visual way while you enjoy it differently.

It is enjoyment all the same. What makes one better than the other?

jillio · 06-03-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

exactly - we both do not enjoy music the same way. You just proved my point.

Why should you have to? No two hearing people enjoy music in the same way. SURPRISE....some hearing people don't enjoy music at all.

Hear Again · 06-03-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Why should you have to? No two hearing people enjoy music in the same way. SURPRISE....some hearing people don't enjoy music at all.

Good point Jillio.

Jiro · 06-03-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

It is enjoyment all the same. What makes one better than the other?

and where did I exactly say in my post that one is better than other? It's entirely based on individual.

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Originally Posted by jillio

Why should you have to? No two hearing people enjoy music in the same way. SURPRISE....some hearing people don't enjoy music at all.

bingo! there you go! You just further proved my point! For example - hearing people who enjoy listening to music - the iPod fanatic. He went deaf and then he opted for CI. It's not the same anymore FOR him. Of course - the CI person (the one who had CI since birth) would not say the same thing because he has nothing to compare with.

I'm an extremely visual person and my life revolves around my eyes while the world revolves around ears for others. If I went blind or nearly blind, that will be very very very devastating for me. I would opt for any kind of surgery that will restore my eyesight. At least I would be able to see but it's not the same anymore because I have something to compare with - my real vision vs. eye implant.

Hear Again · 06-03-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I'm an extremely visual person and my life revolves around my eyes while the world revolves around ears for others. If I went blind or nearly blind, that will be very very very devastating for me.

Thank you. Now I understand why you feel blindness is more limiting than deafness.

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