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Hear Again

i can't see whatever it is that you posted.

Zaicate

Odd.. it should be showing right now


if not.. then <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/m5sUy0sHNmY&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/m5sUy0sHNmY&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

look for the url after param name=" movie' value=" view it.. I am still new to this site and the link I originally provided works just fine for me.

Frisky Feline

i notice that you took couples of english that comes from all deaf. I dont know if they like it or not unless you have already asked them for their permission?? I dont know what i think of your youtube yet due to many reasons regarding with english, grammar and spelling. again, everyone is different on their own pace of learning how to write and their minds work differently. each individuals have their minds that are capable of absording words by reading well or not. it does not apply to deaf people too, I met so many hearing people and their grammar, spelling and english were so limited too. I understand that we notice the majority of deaf, hoh, impaired hearing, hearing loss or whatever have varies of limited english. They are not alone, and hearing people have the same thing too. Hearing people are way large number of people that we dont pay attention to their english, only to deaf people due to the minority people.

again, i have no opinions of your youtube, just not yet.

Frisky Feline

I wonder if you made this youtube? if so, wonder if you can post each of words what youtube says here. some of us are totally blind or legally blind or some blind here.

Zaicate

Who said that I made that video? I know someone who did and I thought it will be an interesting subject for this forum (and me of course) to debate on.
I am a deaf person myself so why would I make a video of this?

I would have to agree with you on people having different learning pace but would you think that they will make more effort to improve themselves instead of being content with their current level?

Frisky Feline

thats my assume. according to your OP. if you didnt make it. thats fine.

Zaicate

I apologize. I should have made it clear that it wasn't me that made the video. I assumed that everybody will know that it wasn't me that made the video.

If deaf and blind (and legally blind) people want, I can sit down and type out the transcript for them right now. I have no problem doing that.

Frisky Feline

I understand what you are talking about. ahh, for example, me as an example, (I play it safe LOL) i have so tried reading or focusing on english real hard over years. but i notice that my english is pretty stuck that i feel like my mind won't allow me to have some room to absord words or vocublary or better grammar. It seems that i need to put extremely effort on my own english but very slowly like a snail. Is it possible why i dont read books when i was kid and my mind adjusted to lock on the maximum of learning or having more room. I dont know LOL.

Zaicate

But the fact that you are taking your time to make sure people (including people OUTSIDE Deaf community) understand your grammar is admirable. You don't need flowery or big words to make yourself sound smart, just very basic understanding of grammar (noun-verb agreement, punctuations.. and all of that BS).
I know that some of Deaf people do have difficulty with grasping the concept of grammar for some reason (maybe it is related to their mental condition, or upbringing, or whatever) but it doesn't really excuse them from not trying to improve or make sure that everybody who is reading their posts ACTUALLY understand it without having to sit there, trying to read the post and end up with a huge headache to show for it.

I do agree that taking some passages from this forum to make the video is not a great idea but I do understand why he did it (to show us what we ACTUALLY type out).

(I will be back later, I am getting call to the bed. Looking forward to seeing more posts regarding this topic. I will have the transcript edited in the first post when I wake up )

Hear Again

thank you, frisky. i'm totally blind and would appreciate a transcript of what the video says.

Hear Again

in my opinion, it's impossible for *some* members of the Deaf community to have good english skills. this is due to the fact that they are strong asl users. having said that, there are plenty of big D deaf asl users who have excellent english skills, but this varies from persom to person. it's important to understand that not all of us are going to have the ability to write as well as others. no one should be faulted or shamed as a result.

Shadow

It seems the maker of the video has contempt for deaf and will probably have a divorce in future.

Byrdie714

I thought it was a good opinion until the smart-aleck comment at the end of the video in regards to the sound file of people having sex and that we can't hear it.

Made me lose total respect for the said opinion.

If one wants to present a respectable opinion, they should without the expense of making fun of the Deaf community.

I think so too.

Jiro

same here. I have one opinion for this video - "I dropped my English book and I have a bad back. Can you kindly pick it up for me?"

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Jiro

I just left a message to creator of that youtube. Here's what I wrote - "It is too bad that you have to hear them having sex while you're making this lame video. Sucks to be you! BTW - it's 2 deaf people having sex, silly."


EDIT- that fool disabled comments system. oh well.

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jillio

Better to actually be smart than to simply sound smart. Part of being smart is understanding when the comments you make are offensive to an entire community of people.

radioman

hmm .. I think its a good opinion but there are certainly a few deafs whom just not able to comprehend the english language. Some are acutally very low level of intelligence, just like hearing people. It's just not the deaf doing this, but it seems more apparant when we do it.

Frisky Feline

LOL.

dont forget he insulted his own wife too.

KarissaMann05

I lost respect for this too... I thought it's great vidoe clip but... Um, okay. Whatever. I do understand about grammar lessons and English writing skills that they have a hard time to deal with it, like I do. But only deaf people have that problem? No, not quite so...

So, no comment for now. =/

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hohDougRN

This is just the opinion of a person. Take it out of context, do with it what you choose. The longer Im deaf the less I care about grammatical differences or cuturally accepted jargon. He may not like what he sees on a paper or manuscript, but, I'll bet he understood it just fine. Isn't that the point, to be understood?

You can't make everybody happy. It's impossible. Sometimes, though difficult, one just has to sigh and understand we are all different. If they will not politely hear out your point of view just move on and appreciate those who are close to you and those who do.

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Maria

Oh, well .... life is too short. Why worry ? Let this person be happy for who he/she really is. That person who created this video have to learn to accept deaf people who don't write in English very well. Accept them.

VamPyroX

While the creator of this video may have seemed a bit too blunt, I do agree with him in many ways.

I've dealt with some NTID students who were ignorant against themselves.

There was one student who was hard-of-hearing. She refused to hang out with deaf people because of their intelligence and English skills. She felt she was better of with the hearing community. She only hung out with hearing people and preferred a hearing boyfriend. Well, one night when I was cooking some food in the kitchen (this was in a dorm building)... I saw her hearing boyfriend there reading something. It turns out that he was proofreading a paper that she had done for her English class. He had spent 30 minutes trying to figure out how to edit it without rewriting it in his own words. Apparently, the grammar and spelling on it was so bad that 30 minutes was not enough time to fix a 1-page paper like that. I even tried to help him and I had a hard time. So, she was a hearing-wannabe... with grammar skills worse than those who are more deaf than she is.

There was another student who grew up ASL. She worked her ass off to get through NTID and get her AAS degree. She continued through RIT and got her BA. Then she continued more to get her MS. Now, she's a teacher. Even though she makes a mistake here and there... she's still done a lot better and worked hard to get where she is today.

So, saying... "I'm sorry, but I'm deaf and ASL is the deaf way." should be a bad lazy excuse for not learning English.

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would someone be so kind as to tell me the gist of what was said in this video?

Berry

It is a video but all in text.

The person starts out commenting how lame and uneducated netspeak is. Things like txt instead of text. Then goes on, using an Alldeaf thread as an example, to talk as though D/deaf people can't do any better than this. And states that the written word is no one's first language and that everyone, including D/deaf should master it.

Then ends with a comment that there is a sound track in the background of two people having sex, but "you" can't hear it. (btw there is no sound)

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shel90

I agree with you on that one.


As for deaf people learning to write proper English without too many grammatical errors or spelling errors, I can understand cuz too often so many deaf children go to school with a weak language foundation due to not having full access to language during their first 5 years. However, if one refuses to want to improve their English skills as an adult, then they made the decision to set lower standards for themselves. I cant force adults what to do with their lives but I can encourage all deaf people to read at least 30 minutes daily and try to writie in a journal. To each to its own.

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Berry

First off I doubt if the percentage of willfully illiterate D/deaf is any different than that of willfully illiterate hearing and there is several football stadiums full of those. A couple of months ago a hearing high school kid told me he did not see why they taught reading at all, "If a book is any good somebody will make it into a movie."

Second off netspeak is used by net and text users and is no indication of what they are capable of outside the net. There are far more hearing users of netspeak than D/deaf users simply because there are far more hearing people. Love it or hate it netspeak will be here as long as there is a net.

The person also discusses a couple of druggies who are willfully illiterate and sucking off the government teat. The implication is they are deaf, but it is not stated. Once again I'm sure the percentage of druggie D/deaf is no different than the percentage of druggie hearing.

The person is very angry and many of their points if they were not directed directly at the D/deaf community would be valid.

However the person's anger is not constructive as it is a waste of time and emotional effort to tell someone who does not want to be literate that they should become so.

I feel sorry for his D/deaf girlfriend.

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skm4441

This creator of Youtube cannot just overgeneralize on the D/deaf community based on what he saw on Alldeaf.com and his wife.... The couple he knows that are drug addicts... I am sure there is reason behind being addicted to drugs... but that has nothing to do with being not grammaticially advanced....