jillio

Yep, stage 2 would have been where it attacked other reproductive organs, but had not yet metastisized to the lymph nodes. Still relatively contained.

Deafness

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Jiro

yup. we have to go thru step 1 to get to step 2. We would not get to Solar Power Age (soon) if we did not go thru Coal/Tree Power Age. As in - we killed Earth and raped the environment for our power needs... but we adapted and improved... to the point where nothing is killed for our power needs.

dreama

Well since I'm deafblind I would not have withnessed it BUT my parents really seemed to believe it. Not once but twice. My mother isn't the type to hide things. She told everyone she was cured.

When it came back the 2nd time she told me over the minicom that she was having a 6 week waiting list. That dad wanted her to check to see if she had arthritis but she wanted to see what the doctor had to say first. She died before her original apointment was due. In fact things towards the end happened so fast that I didn't get to see her since dad said it was no need since she was bound to get better. She wouldn't want me to see her in such a bad way. I wish I'd insisted now.

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Babyblue

Don't be sorry we have differences in opinions.

Let me ask you another quesion.
How do you feel about animals sacrificing there hearts til one can find a donar? Or sacrificing there liver to flush out an ill persons blood?

All of this was done with animal testing.

dreama

I've not heard of any cases working of animal organs in humans. The body rejects the organs. Some of that testing causes extreme animal suffering so I'm afraid I'm not with it.

I have heard of a girl lasting 4 months with only an artificial heart in her body. Her first transplant failed. She had to wait 4 months for her 2nd transplant. but it was a success.

I can cut and paste the story for you if you don't know about it already but I'm afraid I can't provide a link as it was provided to me via email.

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Jiro

really? Did you not know that pig lungs were used for lung transplant? In fact - it was a good match because the pig was injected with the person's DNA or something to make it compatible. It was too mind boggling for me to understand the technical detail of it. Obviously this raises an ethical issue... a Chimera (half-human, half-animal)

Maria

I don't support half animal and half human.

Jiro

then I guess you'll die waiting for a compatible organ like million others... or you can pay a little more to get it made for you right away. Your choice - your life or your belief.

Maria

Nah, I prefer to let myself go, if there's no compatible organ. I live on this earth long enough. I already seen my children havin' their children ( my grandchildren ) and plus their weddings.

dreama

Me too. I'd rather meet my maker with a clear concience. Rather then have tortured animals on my concience. I'm only 38.

But I've never actually heard of any cases of animals in human bodies actually working for any length of time. I just dont consider it worth it.

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Jiro

lol! oh well.... I guess your family members would hate to see you go.... and so do we ADers....

Jiro

dying is a funny thing. we say what we believe in but when it comes to having one foot on Death Side... we change the tune.

Maria

Right, I agree. I would prefer to meet my Maker, too. I am 48.

Maria

I am still alive and movin' on. My Maker hasn't called me just yet! I am perfectly healthy.

dreama

Well I'm already afraid of dying but I want to have a clear concience when I go. I don't want to die with blood on my hands.

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Jiro

Point is - how about NOW - what if you had a mysterious aggressive incurable cancer/virus that's eating your lungs and you have a few months to live....

so lungs from pig or.... meet your maker?

Maria

Naw, not me. I am always ready to goooo. * checkin' to be sure that there's a trillion and trillion of angels singin' their heavenly song, readily to welcome me * Naw - not yet!

Jiro

depressing to hear that but understandable.

Maria

Meet my Maker.

Jiro

lol ok. at least you're perfectly healthy now since you got a great cook at your side.

Oceanbreeze

It's an ass-kicker, that's for sure!

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Babyblue

What about the children and grandchildren?

Would you approve of letting them use an animal organ to keep them alive? Meanwhile liver flush or a baboon's heart?
Would that chance or hope be denied?

Aleser

While doctors will rarely, if ever, use the word 'cured' in the context of cancer, there are situations where it is appropriate.

A cancer diagnosed and successfully treated in it's first or second stage, with long term (5+ year) remission may (depending on the type) stand a fair chance of being "cured", as in, not relapsing (becoming detectable cancer again.) In some forms of cancer, the numbers are high enough that it's not unreasonable to say that a person is 'cured.'

In the realm of cancers that can be treated with bone marrow transplants, cures are a definite possibility. A related-donor transplant done in the first (chronic) stage of CML stands a 70% chance of a true 'cure'- which is to say, the person who was diagnosed as philadelphia chromosome positive when they were diagnosed with the cancer (this translocation being essentially the diagnosis of CML in itself) will become philadelphia chromosome negative and remain that way.

Just clearing that up. SOME cancers and their stages have a high relapse rate, but some do not.

That said, you would not find a doctor willing to call a patient 'cured' if they go into remission after a relapse. Statistics are not in your favor for it being a long-term remission- as in, you're unlikely to make it past the years required for doctors to assume you are unlikely to relapse again WITHOUT a relapse.

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Aleser

Tell that to the 108,000 people currently waiting for an organ in the US alone- 13,000 of which are infants, children, and young adults.

In the time UNOS has been keeping data, just over 10 years, 87,000 people died waiting for an organ- meaning they were on the waiting list until the moment they died. Over 10,000 of those were children or young adults, and 2731 of those were children under five years old. To put a seemingly small number into perspective, that's 109 classrooms full of children under the age of five dying because of the lack of organs.

I'm sure those preschoolers have done all the living they really wanted to do- played barbie and imagined getting married, I'm sure. I'm sure that the additions that die every day, the ones that are removed BEFORE they die because they're too sick to survive a transplant, the ones that aren't reported.. they were ready to 'meet their maker.'

It doesn't work that way, and if I could hold onto any truth in the world, it is that if you were really faced with the situation.. you'd take just about anything's organs.

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Babyblue

When you have a possibility of relapse or a 70% percent chance.

It is not a cure.

It helps with all due respect, but it is by far a cure.

Hear Again

that's true. my definition of cured is NO cancer relapse.

Maria

Naw, not for me if I would take just about anything's organs. Not even monkey's or any animal. Sorry.
I would prefer to die knowin' that I will have a perfect body in Heaven without worryin' about what I suffer through, waitin' for an organ. It's not worth fightin'.

Mistyrose

Amen, sister!! i totally agree! I refuse to have any animals
organ, not even another human's organ in me, cuz i just
dont believe in it (organ transplant).
Doesnt matter if my body is not in perfect shape, i just go
whatever shape im in, straight to heaven...

jillio

Exactly. Its all fine and well to make said claims until one finds themselves in the position of having to actually decide if their life is worth saving.

jillio

If your body was sick and died, it it hardly perfect. Likewise, I know of no human being that can claim perfection under any circumstances.

Don't place much value on human life, do you?