Alternatives to Animal testing. - Page 3

jillio · 11-19-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

only way to live like that is to live like Theodore Kaczynski

And he could have been testing his little bombs on all those cute little woodland creatures.

Jiro · 11-19-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And he could have been testing his little bombs on all those cute little woodland creatures.

good point. maybe a poor example. how about.... Henry David Thoreau?

jillio · 11-19-2008, 11:31 PM

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good point. maybe a poor example. how about.... Henry David Thoreau?

Okay. He killed 'em and ate 'em! Good old Waldon Pond.

dreama · 11-19-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Can you prove that, dreama?

The proof is that some ex vivisectors are now against animal testing since they say the method does not work. Some doctors, vets and scientists say that it does not work.

Their logic is sound enough for me.

I'm neither a doctor or a scientist so I can only provide links to these people who know better then I do. At the end of the day I can only repeat what the information I get from knowledgable and scientific sources and you can only repeat the knowledge from vivisectors who are hooked on animal cruelty.

I keep animals and I know that they are differant to us in many ways and similar to us then others. Some things would kill me but wouldn't kill my rats. Somethings would kill my rats or my dog and I would would perfecly ok.

For example I cannot give Jilli chocolate. But I can eat as much chocolate as I wash and be perfectly healthy. So someone could prove that chocolate was unhealthy by feeding it to a dog and telling everyone to stop eating chocolate.

Babyblue · 11-19-2008, 11:37 PM

lol

Reminds me of the "Life Cereal" commercial.

"Mikey likes it!"

Way of base here I know!

Sorry!

Jiro · 11-19-2008, 11:38 PM

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Okay. He killed 'em and ate 'em! Good old Waldon Pond.

another epic fail on my part. hmmm I'm running out of names. oh wait. it's not epic fail. it's because it's a reality and the fact of life that we all need animals to live! oh the irony!

jillio · 11-20-2008, 12:07 AM

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another epic fail on my part. hmmm I'm running out of names. oh wait. it's not epic fail. it's because it's a reality and the fact of life that we all need animals to live! oh the irony!

jillio · 11-20-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

lol

Reminds me of the "Life Cereal" commercial.

"Mikey likes it!"

Way of base here I know!

Sorry!

Great comparison!

jillio · 11-20-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

The proof is that some ex vivisectors are now against animal testing since they say the method does not work. Some doctors, vets and scientists say that it does not work.

Their logic is sound enough for me.

That's not proof or logic. Its vacillating.

I'm neither a doctor or a scientist so I can only provide links to these people who know better then I do. At the end of the day I can only repeat what the information I get from knowledgable and scientific sources and you can only repeat the knowledge from vivisectors who are hooked on animal cruelty.

You'd do much better to process it and add a dash of critical thinking before you parrot it. But I suppose a little critical thought is just too much effort.

I keep animals and I know that they are differant to us in many ways and similar to us then others. Some things would kill me but wouldn't kill my rats. Somethings would kill my rats or my dog and I would would perfecly ok.

And rat poison would kill all 3 of you. Guess how we discovered that?

For example I cannot give Jilli chocolate. But I can eat as much chocolate as I wash and be perfectly healthy. So someone could prove that chocolate was unhealthy by feeding it to a dog and telling everyone to stop eating chocolate.

A Vegan saying they can eat all the chocolate that they want and still be healthy? With all of that saturated fat and refined sugar? Are you really a Vegan? You've been joshing us, haven't you? And what's up with giving your dog chocolate? Are you testing chocolate on your dog? Shame on you, Dreama.

Give it to Mikey. He won't eat it. He hates everything. (That one was for you, Babyblue!)

David · 11-20-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

A Vegan saying they can eat all the chocolate that they want and still be healthy? With all of that saturated fat and refined sugar? Are you really a Vegan? You've been joshing us, haven't you? And what's up with giving your dog chocolate? Are you testing chocolate on your dog? Shame on you, Dreama.

Touche!

Hear Again · 11-20-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

The proof is that some ex vivisectors are now against animal testing since they say the method does not work. Some doctors, vets and scientists say that it does not work.

Their logic is sound enough for me.

I'm neither a doctor or a scientist so I can only provide links to these people who know better then I do. At the end of the day I can only repeat what the information I get from knowledgable and scientific sources and you can only repeat the knowledge from vivisectors who are hooked on animal cruelty.

I keep animals and I know that they are differant to us in many ways and similar to us then others. Some things would kill me but wouldn't kill my rats. Somethings would kill my rats or my dog and I would would perfecly ok.

For example I cannot give Jilli chocolate. But I can eat as much chocolate as I wash and be perfectly healthy. So someone could prove that chocolate was unhealthy by feeding it to a dog and telling everyone to stop eating chocolate.

Something can kill your dog and you'd be okay with that? I certainly wouldn't. If anything happened to Tigger because of something poisonous she accidentally ate, I don't know what I'd do, but I do know it would devastate me.

Hear Again · 11-20-2008, 12:38 AM

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another epic fail on my part. hmmm I'm running out of names. oh wait. it's not epic fail. it's because it's a reality and the fact of life that we all need animals to live! oh the irony!

Hear Again · 11-20-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

For example I cannot give Jilli chocolate. But I can eat as much chocolate as I wash and be perfectly healthy. So someone could prove that chocolate was unhealthy by feeding it to a dog and telling everyone to stop eating chocolate.

Didn't you know that eating too much chocolate makes you fat? That's not healthy.

deafskeptic · 11-20-2008, 12:42 AM

Now why do I have an insane craving for chocolate?

Oceanbreeze · 11-20-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Didn't you know that eating too much chocolate makes you fat? That's not healthy.

Not to mention, I think chocolate is toxic to dogs.

jillio · 11-20-2008, 12:57 AM

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Not to mention, I think chocolate is toxic to dogs.

Bet they had to test it on them to figure that out, too!

jillio · 11-20-2008, 12:58 AM

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Now why do I have an insane craving for chocolate?

You can have some, but for Gawd's sake, don't give it to your dog!!!

Oceanbreeze · 11-20-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Bet they had to test it on them to figure that out, too!

deafskeptic · 11-20-2008, 01:09 AM

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You can have some, but for Gawd's sake, don't give it to your dog!!!

You won't report me to the SPCA?

*blink*

jillio · 11-20-2008, 01:22 AM

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You won't report me to the SPCA?

*blink*

No, but PETA has spies everywhere! Check the trees outside.

Hear Again · 11-20-2008, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Not to mention, I think chocolate is toxic to dogs.

It is.

Hear Again · 11-20-2008, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Bet they had to test it on them to figure that out, too!

Hear Again · 11-20-2008, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Now why do I have an insane craving for chocolate?

Me too!

Jiro · 11-20-2008, 03:17 AM

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I recently found out about one of the drugs I used to take for epilepsy. It causes cancer in rats. I've taken about 30 of those tablets all at once (I was suicidal at the time). I still don't have cancer.

I just want to point out that cancer is not formed from overnight thing like you swallowed those 30 tablets unless you have been exposed to dangerously-high dosage of radiation. Cancer is usually formed from long-term exposure - usually several years. You may or may not develop cancer if you were taking those tablets for several years. Who knows?

jillio · 11-20-2008, 05:40 AM

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I just want to point out that cancer is not formed from overnight thing like you swallowed those 30 tablets unless you have been exposed to dangerously-high dosage of radiation. Cancer is usually formed from long-term exposure - usually several years. You may or may not develop cancer if you were taking those tablets for several years. Who knows?

Exactly. When testing is done, it is done to test for effects over time. That is why it takes so long to get a drug to market. It is tested for safety with recommended therapeutic doses over an extended period of time. And even if they see no side effects after 5 years, or 10 years, side effects may still appear after a cummulative exposure of 15 years.

Babyblue · 11-20-2008, 06:38 AM

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A Vegan saying they can eat all the chocolate that they want and still be healthy? With all of that saturated fat and refined sugar? Are you really a Vegan? You've been joshing us, haven't you? And what's up with giving your dog chocolate? Are you testing chocolate on your dog? Shame on you, Dreama.

Give it to Mikey. He won't eat it. He hates everything. (That one was for you, Babyblue!)

Doesn't chocolate contains milk?

Gee thanks jillo

jillio · 11-20-2008, 07:05 AM

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Doesn't chocolate contains milk?

Gee thanks jillo

Most of it does.

And you're welcome. *smile*

Hear Again · 11-20-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I just want to point out that cancer is not formed from overnight thing like you swallowed those 30 tablets unless you have been exposed to dangerously-high dosage of radiation. Cancer is usually formed from long-term exposure - usually several years. You may or may not develop cancer if you were taking those tablets for several years. Who knows?

This is true. When my mother developed pancreatic cancer, her oncologist said that it had slowly developed for years until it finally reached the point where it completely invaded her pancreas and liver. She didn't have any symptoms until the cancer plagued 95% of her body.

dreama · 11-20-2008, 11:11 PM

I was just using chocolate as an example. By the way you can get vegan chocolate. Some brands of dark chocolate are vegan.

Of course I would never give Jilli chocolate. But they do give dogs things that are bad for them in laboritories. It is part of research.

Another example: My rat has cancer. I am told by the vet just to make her comfortable until it's time to let go.

They have been experimenting on rats for over 30 years to find cures for cancer. So if their is no cure for rats by testing rats how do they expect to find cures for humans by testing rats.

dreama · 11-20-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Doesn't chocolate contains milk?

No, some brands of dark chocolate do not contain milk. I just have to get someone to read the label for me.

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deafskeptic Empress Skeptia Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,528	Now why do I have an insane craving for chocolate? __________________ Left ear implanted with Med-El on April 24 2007. Activated on May 9th.

11-20-2008, 11:11 PM	#89 (permalink)
dreama deafblind vegan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,018	I was just using chocolate as an example. By the way you can get vegan chocolate. Some brands of dark chocolate are vegan. Of course I would never give Jilli chocolate. But they do give dogs things that are bad for them in laboritories. It is part of research. Another example: My rat has cancer. I am told by the vet just to make her comfortable until it's time to let go. They have been experimenting on rats for over 30 years to find cures for cancer. So if their is no cure for rats by testing rats how do they expect to find cures for humans by testing rats. __________________ I speak for those who cannot speak for themselves. http://www.fightfoca.com/

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11-19-2008, 11:37 PM	#65 (permalink)
Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 7,539	lol Reminds me of the "Life Cereal" commercial. "Mikey likes it!" Way of base here I know! Sorry!