Are you support Stem Cell Research? - Page 3

**KarissaMann05** · 11-13-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

most common reason - "we should not be playing God."

Yeah. Actually, there are more reasons than just one reason.

Pinky · 11-13-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

most common reason - "we should not be playing God."

I have no clue about God don't like Stem Cell Research. I don't know yet. I did read the bible. It's nothing mention about Stem Cell. I think it's good for treat patients with disease and health issues and disorder.

I am honest with you. I am support Body transparent for patient with no hands and arms. Also I am support Donor transplants for live.

jillio · 11-19-2008, 08:11 AM

Here is the link to an article about a successful stem cell transplant that I thought you guys might be interested in. This is really a monumental development.

Woman given windpipe created in laboratory - CNN.com

Pinky · 11-19-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Here is the link to an article about a successful stem cell transplant that I thought you guys might be interested in. This is really a monumental development.

Woman given windpipe created in laboratory - CNN.com

Wow! That's very interesting article. I am happy for Claudia get better from suffer with her left lung. Her blood vessel is success. Stem Cell is great help for serious illness to heal. Thank you for sharing with link.

jillio · 11-19-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

Wow! That's very interesting article. I am happy for Claudia get better from suffer with her left lung. Her blood vessel is success. Stem Cell is great help for serious illness to heal. Thank you for sharing with link.

You are welcome Pinky. I am hopeful that we will see more stories like this in the future when Obama releases the current restrictions on research.

**Jiro** · 11-19-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

I have no clue about God don't like Stem Cell Research. I don't know yet. I did read the bible. It's nothing mention about Stem Cell. I think it's good for treat patients with disease and health issues and disorder.

I am honest with you. I am support Body transparent for patient with no hands and arms. Also I am support Donor transplants for live.

The Bible wouldn't mention about stem cell cuz it didn't exist at that time lol. But they're against it because it's related to abortion and manipulation the "nature." This is more of moral/ethical issue than religious issue.

Oceanbreeze · 11-19-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

The Bible wouldn't mention about stem cell cuz it didn't exist at that time lol. But they're against it because it's related to abortion and manipulation the "nature." This is more of moral/ethical issue than religious issue.

I wouldn't even say that. In my mind, it's a medical issue.

**Jiro** · 11-19-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I wouldn't even say that. In my mind, it's a medical issue.

right but - how is medical procedure/experiment being performed? that's the question of ethical/moral issue. For example - do we kill one to save other? Do we operate and test a completely new procedure on terminally-illed patient and see if it works? All these are the matter of ethical/moral issue in the name of science.

We have had some experiments and studies that were VITALLY crucial to medical knowledge. In fact - their findings of the experiments were so important that it literally gave birth to modern medical advancement of 20th century such as the effect of hypothermia, certain surgery procedures, pharmacological, sterilization, traumatic injuries, infectious diseases, and MANY MANY more.

These doctors may be praised as the unsung heroes who did what they had to do where no men would ever do... in the name of science. Some may call them as ruthless murderous criminals. Mind you - they have performed these excruciating painful experiments on live subjects... humans... thousands of them... rather than animals. and the irony is that their discoveries, despite of their unethical and immoral ways, have saved millions of lives and continue to save millions more now... But you be the judge. Are the doctors a criminal or a hero?

btw - they were Nazi doctors.

jillio · 11-19-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I wouldn't even say that. In my mind, it's a medical issue.

True. The controversy is based in medical ethics.

dreama · 11-25-2008, 03:23 PM

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New model humans

From The Sunday Times

November 23, 2008

New model humans

The transplant of a windpipe built from stem cells shows we are entering a new era of sci-fi medicine

Claudia Castillo, 30, the recipient of a windpipe transplant which used tissue grown from her own stem cells

Sarah-Kate Templeton and Lois Rogers

One Sunday lunchtime in March, Anthony Hollander, professor of tissue engineering at Bristol University, received a call from his colleague Martin Birchall, a professor of surgery. He had an unusual assignment: they were being asked to grow a new windpipe for a patient.

“I was having a pub lunch with my family when Martin rang me about this woman,” said Hollander. “My first reaction was that it was crazy to think we could put together a plan to save her in just a few weeks. My second was that it was a chance to prove that what we had been saying for so long was actually true – that you can use tissue engineering and stem cells to make a difference to patients’ lives.”

The Bristol team, along with scientists and doctors in Barcelona, Padua and Milan, set about creating the first tissue-engineered trachea, or windpipe, using a patient’s own stem cells. These are the “worker” cells that replenish and rebuild the body’s organs. Claudia Castillo, a 30-year-old mother of two from Colombia, who was suffering from tuberculosis that would in time kill her, was to be the recipient.

The team took a donor windpipe from a 51-year-old woman who had died from a brain haemorrhage and stripped the organ of its cells over six weeks using a technique called “decellularisation” developed at Padua University. The scientists were left with a bare “scaffold” of the windpipe.

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While the donor trachea was being stripped, the Bristol team obtained stem cells from Castillo’s bone marrow and made them multiply. The cells were then persuaded to develop into cartilage cells, a process which took three weeks.

At the beginning of June, the whole enterprise almost fell apart at Bristol airport when the British team tried to transport the cells to Barcelona, where the operation was to take place. EasyJet, the budget airline, would not allow the surgical team to travel with the precious package.

The timing was critical as the cells could survive for only 16 hours outside laboratory conditions and one of those had already passed. Birchall became so irate that he was nearly arrested.

Fortunately, one of his colleagues remembered a doctor with a pilot’s licence he had known as a student – five minutes and three telephone calls later they had found a plane in Germany and another doctor who was able to drop everything, fly to Bristol and on to Barcelona.

“It cost £14,000,” said Birchall. “I was going to try to put the cost of the plane on my credit card, but luckily the university vice-chancellor stepped in.”

In Barcelona, the cells were seeded onto the scaffold and grew into place over four days. The operation took place on June 12 at the Hospital Clinic of Barcelona, led by Professor Paolo Macchiarini. It was a complete success. “Just four days after transplantation the graft was almost indistinguishable from adjacent normal bronchi,” said Macchiarini. Using Castillo’s own stem cells meant that her body recognised the transplanted trachea as her own and did not reject it, a common problem with transplant surgery.

Five months on she is able to care for her two children, walk up two flights of stairs and, occasionally, go out dancing in the evenings.

While the operation has transformed Castillo’s life, it also marked a new era in medicine. Laboratory-grown hearts, lungs, livers and kidneys and the regeneration of brain tissue, previously the stuff of science fiction, are now within sight.

“Surgeons can start to see and understand the very real potential for adult stem cells and tissue engineering to radically improve their ability to treat patients with serious diseases,” said Birchall.

“We believe this success has proved that we are on the verge of a new age in surgical care.”

Stem cell transplants from bone marrow have been used for decades in cancer patients to replace cells in their own bone marrow that have been killed off by chemotherapy or radiotherapy.

More recently, however, scientists have realised the potential of the stem cells to be manipulated in the laboratory to become any other cell in the body. If the patient’s own stem cells are used, as in Castillo’s case, there is no need for immuno-suppressive drugs to be administered because they are not rejected by the immune system. These drugs have been linked to a high incidence of cancers in transplant patients.

Progress in the field has been rapid. Stem cells are used to grow replacement skin, which aids wound healing, and Dr Anthony Atala, of the Institute for Regenerative Medicine at Wake Forest University in North Carolina, has made and successfully implanted segments of bladder in seven patients, aged between four and 19, who had birth defects.

Hollander and his colleagues have even grown a “living bandage” from a patient’s own stem cells to heal tears to the meniscal cartilage in the knee, a common sporting injury.

Castillo’s operation gives hope to researchers looking at the transplant of bigger organs. Scientists believe that over the next five years they will be able to grow a larynx from a patient’s own stem cells while colons, livers and hearts will be routine within 20 years. They are also researching the use of stem cells from embryos to grow nerve cells to treat brain diseases such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. The possibilities extend to almost every organ in the body (see panel).

Britain’s Medical Research Council (MRC) is funding projects using stem cells to treat muscular sclerosis, strokes, retinal damage and hip and other forms of bone repair.

“In terms of clinical impact within the next couple of years the next big development from this work is likely to be using embryonic stem cells to treat macular degeneration – age-related blindness, which affects huge numbers of people,” said Rob Buckle, the MRC’s head of stem cell and regenerative medicine research. “Bone and cartilage repairs will be the next. Using adult stem cells you would embed stem cells in a replacement hip joint to get a better repair. With heart and liver repairs we are looking at a longer term of five years or so before treatment becomes available.”

There has been controversy about the MRC’s allocation of more than 50% of its £23.6m funding to work using embryonic stem cells, with the remainder being used on adult stem cells.

Some scientists believe that it is more ethical to use adult stem cells, as research work on cells from human embryos destroys the embryo. They also say it may even be unnecessary, given that so much progress has been made with stem cells that are readily available in our bodies.

Such debate will become even more heated as stem cell research delves further into the realms of science fiction. Scientists are already working on creating sperm from stem cells taken from bone marrow and embryos. Karim Nayernia, professor of stem cell biology at Newcastle University, has grown sperm cells, which later go on to create sperm, from bone marrow.

Manufacturing sperm in the laboratory would be welcomed as a treatment for male fertility. However, there are concerns that the technique could make men redundant.

Once sperm, and even eggs, are grown from stem cells in the laboratory, reproduction could be changed completely without the need for biological mothers or fathers – which would create a whole new era for our species and not just for medicine.

New model humans - Times Online

Well at least it works. If they can regrow organs they can stop torturing animals in an effort to put animal organs in people.

**Jiro** · 11-25-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dreama

New model humans - Times Online

Well at least it works. If they can regrow organs they can stop torturing animals in an effort to put animal organs in people.

yes it worked because of animal testing. if you supported stem cell research, then you supported animal testing.

jillio · 11-26-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes it worked because of animal testing. if you supported stem cell research, then you supported animal testing.

Bingo!

hohDougRN · 11-26-2008, 07:49 AM

yeah, unfortunately here in reality, priorities must be set. A human life saved is more meaningful than mice, rats, pigs etc being tested. It is sad to me, touching topic, but as a professional from medical field, I can tell you FDA will not even approve meds for human clinical trials without extensive results and outcomes from animal studies (there have been some exceptions)

All those good anti-parkinson drugs coming out- thank those Rats that were there to help pioneer it. Alzheimers slowing drugs- thank more than one animal study with those. I could go on forever blabbering which we know blah blah blah, but I guess my point of view is they are not being visciously treated or thought of as "lab rats" If you have spent time in Medical biology lab at university you would find out that many are sensitive to this topic with animals.

Dreama, I respect your opinion that you stated, for if we all never voiced our opinion new ideas and ideals may not be established.

dreama · 11-26-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes it worked because of animal testing. if you supported stem cell research, then you supported animal testing.

Animal testing isn't even mentioned in that article.

**Jiro** · 11-26-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dreama

Animal testing isn't even mentioned in that article.

because we no longer needed animal testing due to medical breakthroughs. The stem cell research BEGAN with animal testing. If you do not support animal-testing, then stem cell research would not be possible.

jillio · 11-26-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dreama

Animal testing isn't even mentioned in that article.

Where do you think it began, dreama? With animal testing. The people that wrote the article naturally assumed...evidently incorrectly...that anyone reading the article would at least have the background knowledge to allow comprehension of the article.

Babyblue · 11-26-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Where do you think it began, dreama? With animal testing. The people that wrote the article naturally assumed...evidently incorrectly...that anyone reading the article would at least have the background knowledge to allow comprehension of the article.

YES!

How scandalous.
It did start with animal testing.

Anyone remember "Dolly" the sheep?

webexplorer · 11-26-2008, 09:55 PM

I believe that stem cells and clone cells are very different. The lab uses the stem cells to find a way to cure your health problem. The clone stem cell is to produce the same identified clone from the original mammal (warm-blooded as human and animal).

I don't remember if the clone were not successful due two sheep are not the same or missing something. Do you know what was the problem?

In fact, a mother wants to have a baby so a doctor implants a sperm in her womb. Isn't that a clone? (I read somewhere that a lab can let her to opt the color of eyes and color of hairs for her pre-born baby.)

hohDougRN · 11-26-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

I believe that stem cells and clone cells are very different. The lab uses the stem cells to find a way to cure your health problem. The clone stem cell is to produce the same identified clone from the original mammal (warm-blooded as human and animal).

I don't remember if the clone were not successful due two sheep are not the same or missing something. Do you know what was the problem?

In fact, a mother wants to have a baby so a doctor implants a sperm in her womb. Isn't that a clone? (I read somewhere that a lab can let her to opt the color of eyes and color of hairs for her pre-born baby.)

You make me think of old Weird Al Yankovic song "I Think Im a Clone Now"

sorry for those who are thinking

of me. HAHA

webexplorer · 11-26-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hohDougRN

You make me think of old Weird Al Yankovic song "I Think Im a Clone Now"

sorry for those who are thinking

of me. HAHA

Yes, I have seen your twin brother somewhere in my town. If I see him again, I would ask him if he is clone or not. If yes, you will be so lucky to have him.

jillio · 11-27-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

YES!

How scandalous.
It did start with animal testing.

Anyone remember "Dolly" the sheep?

Why, yes, Babyblue, I remember Dolly well. She advanced our knowledge greatly, bless her little animal heart!

jillio · 11-27-2008, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

I believe that stem cells and clone cells are very different. The lab uses the stem cells to find a way to cure your health problem. The clone stem cell is to produce the same identified clone from the original mammal (warm-blooded as human and animal).

I don't remember if the clone were not successful due two sheep are not the same or missing something. Do you know what was the problem?

In fact, a mother wants to have a baby so a doctor implants a sperm in her womb. Isn't that a clone? (I read somewhere that a lab can let her to opt the color of eyes and color of hairs for her pre-born baby.)

The short answer is "no." Sperm is not implanted, and embryo that has been conceived in a petrie dish is implanted. It is in virto fertilization, not cloning. If all it took was sperm to produce a clone, we would all be clones. Clones do not come into being using the usual methods of conception, (e.g. the joining of sperm and ova).

Hear Again · 11-27-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hohDougRN

You make me think of old Weird Al Yankovic song "I Think Im a Clone Now"

sorry for those who are thinking

of me. HAHA

Hear Again · 11-27-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I wouldn't even say that. In my mind, it's a medical issue.

agreed.

**Rio** · 11-27-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by hohDougRN

You make me think of old Weird Al Yankovic song "I Think Im a Clone Now"

sorry for those who are thinking

of me. HAHA

:rofl2:I would have thought the same thing

**KarissaMann05** · 11-27-2008, 02:59 PM

Mmm interesting posts.

I prefer adultic stem cells as long as it harms none.

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11-26-2008, 07:49 AM	#73 (permalink)
hohDougRN Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: utah Posts: 3,257	yeah, unfortunately here in reality, priorities must be set. A human life saved is more meaningful than mice, rats, pigs etc being tested. It is sad to me, touching topic, but as a professional from medical field, I can tell you FDA will not even approve meds for human clinical trials without extensive results and outcomes from animal studies (there have been some exceptions) All those good anti-parkinson drugs coming out- thank those Rats that were there to help pioneer it. Alzheimers slowing drugs- thank more than one animal study with those. I could go on forever blabbering which we know blah blah blah, but I guess my point of view is they are not being visciously treated or thought of as "lab rats" If you have spent time in Medical biology lab at university you would find out that many are sensitive to this topic with animals. Dreama, I respect your opinion that you stated, for if we all never voiced our opinion new ideas and ideals may not be established. __________________ *Doug*

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11-19-2008, 08:11 AM	#63 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Here is the link to an article about a successful stem cell transplant that I thought you guys might be interested in. This is really a monumental development. Woman given windpipe created in laboratory - CNN.com

11-26-2008, 09:55 PM	#78 (permalink)
webexplorer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New England Posts: 5,476	I believe that stem cells and clone cells are very different. The lab uses the stem cells to find a way to cure your health problem. The clone stem cell is to produce the same identified clone from the original mammal (warm-blooded as human and animal). I don't remember if the clone were not successful due two sheep are not the same or missing something. Do you know what was the problem? In fact, a mother wants to have a baby so a doctor implants a sperm in her womb. Isn't that a clone? (I read somewhere that a lab can let her to opt the color of eyes and color of hairs for her pre-born baby.)

11-27-2008, 02:59 PM	#86 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,440	Mmm interesting posts. I prefer adultic stem cells as long as it harms none.