Possible Obama Assasination attempt foiled

BradB08 · 08-25-2008, 08:51 PM

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A Denver TV station is reporting authorities may have foiled an assassination plot against Barack Obama, and there's talk the suspects may be members of a white supremacy group.

KUSA-TV claims three men are in custody after a routine traffic stop in Aurora (near Denver) turned up two rifles, high-powered scopes, ammo and meth. The man in the car led authorities to a hotel where another suspect jumped out of a fourth floor window in an attempt to escape.

A third guy was busted at another hotel but the info on him is sketchy.

The arrests went down yesterday. The TV station says sources said "Two of the men had tattoos and jewelry popular with white supremacists."

The mugshot inset in the photo is of one of the suspects, Tharin Gartrell.

More information will come soon. I couldn't find any other links.

Good thing they were stopped. I'm getting sick of the hateful narrative that our right-wing is pushing against Obama. It's making me people snap like this.

Bosedes906 · 08-25-2008, 09:38 PM

oh wow if that happened before he's president, there's no telling how many more attempts could be on the way during his presidency

Bottesini · 08-25-2008, 09:42 PM

I could not find any other reference to it. How terrible if we go through another time like the 1960's, with the shootings of the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King.

Royale · 08-25-2008, 10:23 PM

cbs4denver.com - Investigators Look Into Possible Plot To Kill Obama

http://www.denverpost.com/politicswestnews/ci_10300246

jillio · 08-25-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

Obama Under Fire? - TMZ.com

More information will come soon. I couldn't find any other links.

Good thing they were stopped. I'm getting sick of the hateful narrative that our right-wing is pushing against Obama. It's making me people snap like this.

Thank God it was members of a White Supremacist group. At least they aren't intelligent enough to actually get away with it.

But all sarcasm aside...this is a frightening country we live in. Yeah, buddy...we need to make sure more people are going armed!! That'll fix everything.

lumbingmi · 08-25-2008, 10:47 PM

F**ed up news. What s with these people?

Jiro · 08-25-2008, 10:49 PM

LOL All plots always ended with a simple traffic violation. Just like Tim McVeigh. EPIC FAIL!

jillio · 08-25-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

LOL All plots always ended with a simple traffic violation. Just like Tim McVeigh. EPIC FAIL!

Tim McVeigh blew up a building and killed children, not to mention adults. How the hell is that an EPIC FAIL?

Jiro · 08-25-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Tim McVeigh blew up a building and killed children, not to mention adults. How the hell is that an EPIC FAIL?

because like you said - "... they aren't intelligent enough to actually get away with it." EPIC FAIL for them to think they're not gonna get caught... hence "all plots always ended with a simple traffic violation." I guess you're not so intelligent now this time....

Tousi · 08-25-2008, 11:07 PM

Glad they caught those guys. A 750 yard shot? Hmmmm....

jillio · 08-25-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

because like you said - "... they aren't intelligent enough to actually get away with it." EPIC FAIL for them to think they're not gonna get caught... hence "all plots always ended with a simple traffic violation." I guess you're not so intelligent now this time....

Uh, you compared it to Tim McVeigh. Try to stay with me here. Tim McVeigh accomplished exactly what he set out to do. He was apprehended after the fact. And he was a survivalist, not a White Supremacist.

Byrdie714 · 08-25-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Uh, you compared it to Tim McVeigh. Try to stay with me here. Tim McVeigh accomplished exactly what he set out to do. He was apprehended after the fact. And he was a survivalist, not a White Supremacist.

He may not have been a white supremacist per se but he did contribute a lot of his quotes to The Turner Diaries as well as for retaliating against the federal government in their handling of Ruby Ridge and Waco.

I would say he was a white supremacist by guilt of association even though he wasn't an ardent supporter of it's idealogies.

As for the survivalist--are you sure your not confusing Tim McVeigh with Ted Kaczinkzky?

Now he was a survivalist!

jillio · 08-25-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

He may not have been a white supremacist per se but he did contribute a lot of his quotes to The Turner Diaries as well as for retaliating against the federal government in their handling of Ruby Ridge and Waco.

I would say he was a white supremacist by guilt of association even though he wasn't an ardent supporter of it's idealogies.

As for the survivalist--are you sure your not confusing Tim McVeigh with Ted Kaczinkzky?

Now he was a survivalist!

Nope, not confusing the 2 at all....but Ted Kaczinsky was a survivalist in the extreme. And yes, the survivalist militia groups share some of the same ideologies as the White Supremacists, though not all.

Byrdie714 · 08-25-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Nope, not confusing the 2 at all....but Ted Kaczinsky was a survivalist in the extreme. And yes, the survivalist militia groups share some of the same ideologies as the White Supremacists, though not all.

Thanks for clairfying.

jillio · 08-25-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Thanks for clairfying.

Not a problem!

RedFox · 08-26-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Tim McVeigh blew up a building and killed children, not to mention adults. How the hell is that an EPIC FAIL?

It's an epic fail because if he succeeded in blowing up the building, he should've known how to avoid getting pulled over for something stupidly simple like a missing license plate.

BradB08 · 08-26-2008, 12:05 AM

Regardless of who it was, it's proof that anything can happen.

Jiro · 08-26-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFox

It's an epic fail because if he succeeded in blowing up the building, he should've known how to avoid getting pulled over for something stupidly simple like a missing license plate.

there we go... he understood. BTW - he got pulled over for speeding.

** Correction - you are correct about plate. I just double-checked it. I could have sworn he was pulled over for speeding.

jillio · 08-26-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFox

It's an epic fail because if he succeeded in blowing up the building, he should've known how to avoid getting pulled over for something stupidly simple like a missing license plate.

He still succeeded in accomplishing his purpose. I doubt seriously that the survivors of the bombing nor the families of the deceased would consider his blowing up of the buidling a failure. That was my point.

He was an extremist, and stated on many occasions that his being arrested, tried, convicted, and executed simply added to his statement.

Jiro · 08-26-2008, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

He still succeeded in accomplishing his purpose. I doubt seriously that the survivors of the bombing nor the families of the deceased would consider his blowing up of the buidling a failure. That was my point.

He was an extremist, and stated on many occasions that his being arrested, tried, convicted, and executed simply added to his statement.

Plot doesn't always mean planning to carry out the terrorist mission. I'm sure he plotted to execute the mission and not get caught. but he got caught because of missing plate (thanks RedFox), didn't he?

1. White Supremacists' plot failed to assassinate Obama (allegedly) because of erratic driving.
2. Tim McVeigh was caught couple hours later because of missing plate
3. Feb. 2008 - 2 men on terrorist watch list was caught at Arizona border because of suspicious traffic violations

So my comment is specifically toward to terrorists being caught over simple traffic violation. Hence - "All plots always ended with a simple traffic violation." get it? It's best if you just sssssshhhh

However - I must point out that ya'all not seeing this news about Obama assassination in big news stations yet because it's unconfirmed. They do not know yet if it's really connected to Obama assassination or not. We don't wanna cause some riot and fear like MLK all over again, don't we?

BradB08 · 08-26-2008, 02:18 AM

Will you drop your silly argument and focus on the actual topic?

Jiro · 08-26-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

Will you drop your silly argument and focus on the actual topic?

nothing to talk about since the incident's connection to Obama assassination is not verified yet. Not seeing it in NY Times, CNN Washington Post, MSNBC or bunch of other major news stations. so yea - nothing to talk about.

Foxrac · 08-26-2008, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

Obama Under Fire? - TMZ.com

More information will come soon. I couldn't find any other links.

Good thing they were stopped. I'm getting sick of the hateful narrative that our right-wing is pushing against Obama. It's making me people snap like this.

Oh man, don't blame on right wing or republican to cause happen like that, it was hate group that's extremist to make attempt to kill Obama, it has nothing with parties, there's other reason that you stated could be not accurate, sorry about upset you.

I feel sorry for Obama, there's people who did threated to Al Gore, Kerry and Bush too, it happens but security is much more tighten now than in 60's when JFK got killed by hate group.

jillio · 08-26-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Plot doesn't always mean planning to carry out the terrorist mission. I'm sure he plotted to execute the mission and not get caught. but he got caught because of missing plate (thanks RedFox), didn't he?

1. White Supremacists' plot failed to assassinate Obama (allegedly) because of erratic driving.
2. Tim McVeigh was caught couple hours later because of missing plate
3. Feb. 2008 - 2 men on terrorist watch list was caught at Arizona border because of suspicious traffic violations

So my comment is specifically toward to terrorists being caught over simple traffic violation. Hence - "All plots always ended with a simple traffic violation." get it? It's best if you just sssssshhhh

However - I must point out that ya'all not seeing this news about Obama assassination in big news stations yet because it's unconfirmed. They do not know yet if it's really connected to Obama assassination or not. We don't wanna cause some riot and fear like MLK all over again, don't we?

And the problem with your statement is the words "all" and "always". It make your statement completely and utterly untrue.

Its nice that you seem to believe that you are capable of looking into Tim McVeigh's mind and determining exactly what his thought processes were. Howeever, his statements regarding his apprehension, arrest, conviction and execution, not to mention his intentions regarding the Oklahoma bombing, are more reliable that what you think you know about his thought processes. Facts seem to contradict what you are trying to create in your own mind. There are dead babies to prove that McVeigh did a bit more than "plot".

And, the report was confirmed enough to appear in a Colorado newspaper...the very state in which the Democratic National Convention is currently located.

jillio · 08-26-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

nothing to talk about since the incident's connection to Obama assassination is not verified yet. Not seeing it in NY Times, CNN Washington Post, MSNBC or bunch of other major news stations. so yea - nothing to talk about.

Typical. Ignore the information as presented and it will go away.

jillio · 08-26-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Oh man, don't blame on right wing or republican to cause happen like that, it was hate group that's extremist to make attempt to kill Obama, it has nothing with parties, there's other reason that you stated could be not accurate, sorry about upset you.

I feel sorry for Obama, there's people who did threated to Al Gore, Kerry and Bush too, it happens but security is much more tighten now than in 60's when JFK got killed by hate group.

JFK was killed by a hate group????

Jiro · 08-26-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And the problem with your statement is the words "all" and "always". It make your statement completely and utterly untrue.

Its nice that you seem to believe that you are capable of looking into Tim McVeigh's mind and determining exactly what his thought processes were. Howeever, his statements regarding his apprehension, arrest, conviction and execution, not to mention his intentions regarding the Oklahoma bombing, are more reliable that what you think you know about his thought processes. Facts seem to contradict what you are trying to create in your own mind. There are dead babies to prove that McVeigh did a bit more than "plot".

And, the report was confirmed enough to appear in a Colorado newspaper...the very state in which the Democratic National Convention is currently located.

uh.... why are you talking about psychology crap? Where did that come from? I merely said he got caught because of missing plate. How did that turn into some mind reading crap and dead babies???? whoa! Lady, please have a warm cup of coffee and ssshhhh

Foxrac · 08-26-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

JFK was killed by a hate group????

Yup, white supremacist.

jillio · 08-26-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

uh.... why are you talking about psychology crap? Where did that come from? I merely said he got caught because of missing plate. How did that turn into some mind reading crap and dead babies???? whoa! Lady, please have a warm cup of coffee and ssshhhh

It came from your post #20, and I quote, "I'm sure he plotted to execute the mission and not get caught." That statement shows that you are assumning to know what was in his mind both prior to, during, and following the bombing.

But, if you want to get technical, what does Tim McVeigh have to do with the reported assassination plot on Obama?

jillio · 08-26-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Yup, white supremacist.

Uh, got anything to support that?

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Bottesini Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 18,368	I could not find any other reference to it. How terrible if we go through another time like the 1960's, with the shootings of the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King.

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Royale Eek Doggah! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: World's Second Coldest Capital City! Posts: 2,192	cbs4denver.com - Investigators Look Into Possible Plot To Kill Obama http://www.denverpost.com/politicswestnews/ci_10300246

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Jiro YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Sopranos State Posts: 27,548	LOL All plots always ended with a simple traffic violation. Just like Tim McVeigh. EPIC FAIL!

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 10,290	Glad they caught those guys. A 750 yard shot? Hmmmm....

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BradB08 You can do anything Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,553 Blog Entries: 1	Regardless of who it was, it's proof that anything can happen.

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BradB08 You can do anything Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,553 Blog Entries: 1	Will you drop your silly argument and focus on the actual topic?