Possible Obama Assasination attempt foiled - Page 9

PuyoPiyo · 09-01-2008, 11:08 PM

Well some of you prefer those to be specifics, but I simply see them as generally taxes.

jillio · 09-02-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

huh? Who said we don't have problem to pay tax to support war issues? That is incredibly ignorant thing to say. It's not like we have a choice to choose where our tax money goes to. and no we don't pay tax DIRECTLY to war. But you know what? You paid for your gas, right? You are, in essence, funding the war... especially terrorists

therefore.... you are a Domestic Dissent (j/k)

It is very nice of you to care about others at your expense but that just doesn't fly for me. I'm fine with government programs to fund and help them to find jobs and stuff but I do not believe in allowing poor people having equal benefits as the rich (especially health benefits). That's not just right and it's unfair. They can go move to Europe or a communist state if they want no class distinctions. Beside - they shouldn't complain. There are abundant of charity programs, churches, free shelters, free clinics, etc. it's better than nothing. The reason why people say it doesn't work well is because there are far too many leechers than the needy ones.

I understand that you live in a socialist state all your life so it's hard for you to understand the way of American life. You grew up being used to paying high tax, high gas price, and high etc. You're used to living with a very modest means. Just think of America as opposite of your lifestyle.

This whole social welfare program modeled after EU is just not going to work in here.

Ah, but we do have a choice reagarding where our tax money goes to. It's called a vote.

Liebling:-))) · 09-02-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It's just as valid as your post #235. If your post fits this thread, so does Brian's post.

My response post is about tax issues, not my job.

Liebling:-))) · 09-02-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

huh? Who said we don't have problem to pay tax to support war issues? That is incredibly ignorant thing to say. It's not like we have a choice to choose where our tax money goes to. and no we don't pay tax DIRECTLY to war.

The people know Bush Administration what tax system is about before they voted him, don´t they?

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But you know what? You paid for your gas, right? You are, in essence, funding the war... especially terrorists

therefore.... you are a Domestic Dissent (j/k)

I did not know that Americans have gas tax take out from their monthly wage slip because I do not have one...

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It is very nice of you to care about others at your expense but that just doesn't fly for me. I'm fine with government programs to fund and help them to find jobs and stuff but I do not believe in allowing poor people having equal benefits as the rich (especially health benefits). That's not just right and it's unfair.

Rich people pay more % healthcare insurance out of their gross income than normal people...

Example: A rich person/middle class person/low class person earn approx: 5,5% of healthcare per month.

5,5% = $330 take out of $6,000 gross income for healthcare... (rich person)

5,5% = $165 take out of $3,000 gross income for healthcare... (middle class person)

5,5% = $55 take out of $1,000 gross income for healthcare... (low class person)

They get equal treatment, no matter what. If they want private healthcare then they have to pay extra...

I hope you get what I am trying to explain?

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They can go move to Europe or a communist state if they want no class distinctions.

Misleading...

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Beside - they shouldn't complain. There are abundant of charity programs, churches, free shelters, free clinics, etc. it's better than nothing.

Well I learn from many threads for past years that the people become homeless real fast after they lost their job... no easy to have shelter because of full...

free clinics???? No, it´s not free because you work to pay medicard tax for low income people, don´t you? It´s bad that you work to pay tax for them, not including for yourself.

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The reason why people say it doesn't work well is because there are far too many leechers than the needy ones.

What the people says is true because I learn a lot from threads for past years.

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I understand that you live in a socialist state all your life so it's hard for you to understand the way of American life.

But many Americans see different as you because they need health insurance for family badly, that´s why they want to vote Obama.

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You grew up being used to paying high tax, high gas price, and high etc. You're used to living with a very modest means. Just think of America as opposite of your lifestyle.

Yes I understand what you mean but many Americans who married to Europeans and live in Europe countries and said positive and also say in their opinion that US should do the same which is more easy for families... (links, I posted somewhere at Brad´s thread). They said that their life is easier than they were in America.

Well, I grew up to know difference healthcare system between UK and Germany, also France as well. I prefer German healthcare system over UK and France. I have seen a lot of changes in social insurance system but I really have no problem with that... *shrug*

Yes, we have high gas price including different taxes for vehicle... We find the way to aviod for use car a lot due gas expenses is use bicycles, get few years old car with gas save..., transportation... Use bus and train is cheaper than car.

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This whole social welfare program modeled after EU is just not going to work in here.

How do you know that it doesn´t work in America? Why can´t you give Obama the chance to improve and change the country?... It doesn´t mean that Obama follow EU system to work on US system when he want to help the people to get their life easier.

Example: Before Iraq war was started, Tony Blair (UK) improved and changed the country as what he promised before he won at his 1st election. He did it successful... I see why not if Obama want to change and improve the country as well. If you want the country remain unchanged which mean that you agree with the way what and how Bush Admin. with tax system for war issues, medicard for low income people, etc., not healthcare for yourself.

Remember, the decision is yours either you want to see your country to improve and change or not.

Jiro · 09-02-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

The people know Bush Administration what tax system is about before they voted him, don´t they?

we all do get some general idea but we don't know how is it being allocated to and it is not up to us.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I did not know that Americans have gas tax take out from their monthly wage slip because I do not have one...

lol... lol... no no -
Where do you think gas comes from? Middle East.
Who sell gas? Middle East.
Who profits from it? Middle East.
So when you buy gas - your money goes to Middle East's pocket. Your money MAY somehow gets trickled down to funding extremist groups to fight against Israelis or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Rich people pay more % healthcare insurance out of their gross income than normal people...

Example: A rich person/middle class person/low class person earn approx: 5,5% of healthcare per month.

5,5% = $330 take out of $6,000 gross income for healthcare... (rich person)
5,5% = $165 take out of $3,000 gross income for healthcare... (middle class person)
5,5% = $55 take out of $1,000 gross income for healthcare... (low class person)

They get equal treatment, no matter what. If they want private healthcare then they have to pay extra... I hope you get what I am trying to explain?

sounds nice but what if the surgery is $5,000? How will low-class person pay for it? The rich person's tax makes up for it. Now - obviously in USA.... there are far too many low-class people and middle class people needing costly medical cares. There is no money for it unless the tax rate is more than 20% to cover for all. That's why it's not going to work.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

free clinics???? No, it´s not free because you work to pay medicard tax for low income people, don´t you? It´s bad that you work to pay tax for them, not including for yourself.

Yes there are free clinics but it's mediocre. It provides basic medical attentions. It's still better than nothing. It depends on town/city to provide free clinic. It's funded by our tax money... and some by donations.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

But many Americans see different as you because they need health insurance for family badly, that´s why they want to vote Obama.

It's just a hindsight. Whatever the problem the person is having, they will take any opportunity to get it resolved while ignoring other issues or how it works. We all have seen this.

2004 Election - say the word "terrorist... 9/11" - that's why Bush got reelected and the voters did not realize about high cost, high debt, etc.
2008 Election - say the word "affordable health care" - perhaps Obama will get elected but then the voters would not realize that this mean a bump up in tax and various of other things.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes I understand what you mean but many Americans who married to Europeans and live in Europe countries and said positive and also say in their opinion that US should do the same which is more easy for families... (links, I posted somewhere at Brad´s thread). They said that their life is easier than they were in America.

ok but that "many Americans" are not the accurate representation of Americans in here.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes, we have high gas price including different taxes for vehicle... We find the way to aviod for use car a lot due gas expenses is use bicycles, get few years old car with gas save..., transportation... Use bus and train is cheaper than car.

We have cheap car, car gas, cheap tax compared to you. Our land is vastly expansive. Clearly - you have a geographical advantage to have an efficient mass transit system. We don't. It's too costly.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

How do you know that it doesn´t work in America? Why can´t you give Obama the chance to improve and change the country?... It doesn´t mean that Obama follow EU system to work on US system when he want to help the people to get their life easier.

How do you know it'll work in America? Just because it works in UK or whatever doesn't mean it'll work in USA. Good luck changing things on federal laws/system scale. We have a very wide range of diversity of all classes, wealth, etc. and we have 50 states. Not that easy. If Obama really thinks his plan will work - then he should have ran for governor of Illinois and implement his plan. That's a good start. Romney already started his plan in Massachusetts. What's Obama got to show? absolutely nothing. zip. nada.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Example: Before Iraq war was started, Tony Blair (UK) improved and changed the country as what he promised before he won at his 1st election. He did it successful... I see why not if Obama want to change and improve the country as well. If you want the country remain unchanged which mean that you agree with the way what and how Bush Admin. with tax system for war issues, medicard for low income people, etc., not healthcare for yourself.

Must be real easy for him to do it... beside.. the size of UK is a pea compared to USA. Don't worry, hon.. Bush Administration is nearly over. I repeat - McCain Administration is not a continuation nor extension nor a duplication of Bush Administration. Every system/policy/law/etc. changes for each Administration.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Remember, the decision is yours either you want to see your country to improve and change or not.

Obama's plan is too big of a change and it is unrealistic. Don't get me wrong - his plan is great and lovely but I highly doubt he can pull it off. Not at his level of experience.

jillio · 09-02-2008, 06:13 PM

**shaking head in amazement**

BradB08 · 09-02-2008, 07:03 PM

The McCain Administration WILL be a repeat of the Bush Administration, whether you believe it or not, jiro.

A man who supports George W. Bush 95% of the time, will not hesitate to continue his policies as well.

Byrdie714 · 09-02-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Don't worry, hon.. Bush Administration is nearly over. I repeat - McCain Administration is not a continuation nor extension nor a duplication of Bush Administration. Every system/policy/law/etc. changes for each Administration.

What have you been snortin'?

Oh....wait a minute--that was Bush's job!

Reba · 09-02-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

My response post is about tax issues, not my job.

You did mention your "work" several times in that post.

Oh, well.

Reba · 09-02-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

The people know Bush Administration what tax system is about before they voted him, don´t they?

The American tax system was set into place many administrations before President Bush took office. President Bush had nothing to do with setting up the IRS.

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I did not know that Americans have gas tax take out from their monthly wage slip because I do not have one...

No, we don't have the gas tax taken out of our pay checks. We pay the gas tax at the pump.

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free clinics???? No, it´s not free because you work to pay medicard tax for low income people, don´t you? It´s bad that you work to pay tax for them, not including for yourself.

Some free clinics are run by churches and charitable organizations, not government clinics.

KarissaMann05 · 09-02-2008, 09:57 PM

You got right, Jiro.

Yesterday, I battled with some "friends" on personal internets and they called me an idiot "anti-Obama" (or "Obama hater", yeah, they did call me

) for not choosing Obama AFTER I explained some reasonable intentions. My opinion, I just don' think McCain will be the same as Bush is. It's too impossible.

My mom IS PRO-Obama, and she don't agree an idea of "McSame" crap.

jillio · 09-02-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

What have you been snortin'?

Oh....wait a minute--that was Bush's job!

Liebling:-))) · 09-09-2008, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

You got right, Jiro.

Yesterday, I battled with some "friends" on personal internets and they called me an idiot "anti-Obama" (or "Obama hater", yeah, they did call me

) for not choosing Obama AFTER I explained some reasonable intentions. My opinion, I just don' think McCain will be the same as Bush is. It's too impossible.

My mom IS PRO-Obama, and she don't agree an idea of "McSame" crap.

I am afraid yes, McCain vote to support Bush 90%.

No, you are not an anti-Obama. They should respect your decision for McCain when you feel he is right one to rule the America.

Liebling:-))) · 09-09-2008, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You did mention your "work" several times in that post.

Oh, well.

Again, I stand correct...its about tax issues, not my job. I explained/convince the example IF I live in America...

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Re-read my post...
I work hard to pay tax for anyone and then plus extra pay insurance coverage for myself...? BIG Nooooooooo...

And explain again why I have no problem to pay social insurances and taxes...

Re-read my post please

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I really have no problem to pay social insurances and taxes because we all get treatment, not for just someone only without myself. I will also get full treatment as well when I´m out of work or pension. I also will get money from unemployment benefit and also social assistance when I´m out of work. I prefer to pay social insurances and taxes for ourselves over war issues and medicard for someone else.

I do not see anything that I talk about my job but tax issues...

KarissaMann05 · 09-09-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I am afraid yes, McCain vote to support Bush 90%.

No, you are not an anti-Obama. They should respect your decision for McCain when you feel he is right one to rule the America.

Thank you.. I just changed my view for party type because of that and the second reason was something-bashing against me. Just go to your thread, "liberal vs conercivstivsrgwegefre whatever-it-is", you'll know why I changed it.

Liberals hate me, and it's a long story. :shrugs:

Liebling:-))) · 09-09-2008, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The American tax system was set into place many administrations before President Bush took office. President Bush had nothing to do with setting up the IRS.

Well, Bush CAN change it if he want to. He DID changed Clinton´s Administrations....

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No, we don't have the gas tax taken out of our pay checks. We pay the gas tax at the pump.

Yes, I know. I questioned Jiro123 because he compared tax issues with our pay checks with gas issues.

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Some free clinics are run by churches and charitable organizations, not government clinics.

Including surgery?

Liebling:-))) · 09-09-2008, 01:13 AM

Willkommen KassiraMann

. It´s sad that they have no respect on your different view. Okay, I will look at my thread later.(I was not on the online often)..

Jiro123, accord your post #245. You will have my answer later.

Reba · 09-09-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Well, Bush CAN change it if he want to. He DID changed Clinton´s Administrations....

Each President runs his own administration. The IRS is not part of any presidential administration.

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Including surgery?

Those are clinics, not full facility hospitals. They don't normally do major surgeries in clinics.

Jiro · 09-09-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Willkommen KassiraMann

. It´s sad that they have no respect on your different view. Okay, I will look at my thread later.(I was not on the online often)..

Jiro123, accord your post #245. You will have my answer later.

i quit long time ago.

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