jillio

I already provided a link that will take you to a complete transcript of his speech. Guess you missed it.

I'm curious. What would be the income cutoff for these poor people who don't deserve equality?

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PuyoPiyo

Well I can understand that, but there are some of people can't be rich due to their health issues, ya know..

Jiro

that's why I said I support some kind of assistance program. However people who can't work due to their health issues are different. We definitely should help them whatever the cost. They're not freeloaders. I'm talking about "able" people who take it for granted at our expense.

My friend roomed with this guy who lived off on NJ's unemployment program and other program to collect $$$. I was seriously pissed off about that. He did nothing all day and just get high everyday. When my friend moved out, he reported this to NJ Labor Department and they cut him off. Long story short - that freeloader was forced to move out to his parents' home and obviously he wasn't happy about it.

GOOD RIDDANCE

Jiro

i dunno. I'm glad I'm not a politician to think about that in detail. All I'm just saying is - I don't want my hard-earned money to go to waste for these freeloaders (the useless "able" people). I'm fine about paying for disabled people - I'm not that cruel.

Jiro

any thought??? I just read FOX news' interpretation on it and I kinda laughed. Don't worry - I dismissed it.

"Clinton has continued to lob perceived bombs at the man who defeated his wife, Hillary Clinton, in the Democratic primary. ....... The motive, Morris said, is “to defeat Barack Obama and make sure Hillary can get elected in 2012.”

“I don’t think the Clintons’ feelings would be hurt” if Obama lost the 2008 election, said Republican strategist Chip Saltsman."

and McCain's cheapshot capitulation on Candidate X thing -
this is beginning to remind me of something familiar...... the double J zing contest?

jillio

Doesn't one have to have been employed in order to collect unemployment?

Jiro

and got fired... which is how he qualified to collect it

jillio

Yep. Which means it wasn't his choice not to work.

orione1even

Jiro

I try really hard to respect and understand the positions of others. I know you're a Marine so here's a bit, heart-felt "Hoorah!" to you and yours for all you do.

That being said, it's obvious you listen to a lot of right-wing radio and watch a lot of Fox News. Obama and the Democratic Party are not trying to turn America into the next Russia, China, or England. I feel the media does a very good job of avoiding any real issues, accountability, factual reporting, and pretty much only serves to deeped the divide between the parties.

Repeating the lies, filth, hate, and general stupidity that comes out of the mouthes of such "professionals" as Rush Lumbaugh, Bill O'reilly, or Anne Coulter doesn't make you informed. It makes you an ignorant parrot. Researching issues might though. I see you post about moderate views in your posts but from time to time I see the same weak, tired words in your posts that I see from Ruch, Bill, Ann, and other rediculous people.

There's nothing wrong with wanting the middle class to not have to take it up the rear end while the upper 1% get billions in tax breaks. If you honestly believe that the country is better off now - by any degree - than it was even 4 years ago, then take a bow. You're the only one I've met.

PuyoPiyo

Yupp I understand what you are talking about, I was used to live with a guy who are like that, he always use the form which ask people to donate for a deaf baseball team, I was so heartbroken that he is actually giving the deafies a bad name, also he's on the SSI and always pesting his grandpa for money, he refuse to go apply for the food stamps so instead he always asking me for foods or steal my foods. He do all of those just because he want to smoke the crack everyday, every hours.. I have to have him out of my house and only consider him as guest if he come to my place.

I've seen so many people do much worse than those people who only use whatever the government can assist them.

jillio

I don't think any of us believes that the middle class should be providing the majority of the tax revenues to support social programs. Which is another reason that Obama's plans make sense.

And you know...my dad is a Marine and a WWII vet. He supports Obama. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

My God, the hypocracy is astounding!

Jiro

me? marines? lol I'm not a soldier and I've never a soldier in my life. listen to radio? how? I'm HOH. Watch FOX news? I watch tv about 2 hrs a week or less and it's certainly not FOX news... my favorite LAWS AND ORDERS!!

and Rush Lumbaugh, Bill O'reilly, or Anne Coulter? uh... I believe they should be hanged by their dicks and I think Anne has a dick. I think you're new in here but my political view is Centrist but leaning to conservative... aka right-wing. and yes there is something wrong with this picture - an upper 1% having a tax break in this time of economical crisis. I was stupefied. and no I've never said this country is better off than 4 years ago. Didn't you read that I want Bush Administration prosecuted for war crimes and war profiteering?

boy I wonder how you came to this kind of conclusion! oh well it's ok.

jillio

Hmmmm People collecting SSI complaining about other people collecting SSI. What's wrong with this picture?

Jiro

which is ok - remember... I support some kind of assistance programs. BUT my friend (an Obama voter) said he had no intention to look for job and was living off on it for several months - which was how he was paying apt rent. He did get some odd jobs but it was very temporary (it was paid under the table). He spent most of his time getting high and playing games... collecting the benefits.

What a fucker! and I consider him as a DOMESTIC DISSENT!

PuyoPiyo

Read my post carefully. I was not talking about other who use the SSI.

jillio

Unemployment compensation is time limited. And hardly sufficient to live well on.

Jiro

I'll have to ask him for more details. I can't remember clearly. This was few years ago. He received a several hundred dollars per month from them. I think he was collecting other benefits as well and some money from his parents. Again - I'll have to ask him for clearer details.

jillio

Yes, perhaps it would be better to be clear on the details prior to pronouncing judgement as a freeloader.

Jiro

no no. We were upset about it. He was actually living as a freeloader until my friend reported him to Labor Department. I just can't remember for sure how he was collecting money for several months.

jillio

**shaking head in disbelief**

orione1even

Fair enough!

I will admit, this was the first quick, passionate post I've put up here. So my apologies if it doesn't reflect your views accurately or even make an accurate point. Thanks for the reminder to get to know people a little better before making snap character assumptions. I would do well to re-read my own post. I really did think you were a sonlder though...wonder why? I know you're from Jersey though. I LOVE Jersey.

As for views...I'm all for them...if views are what you actually have. I am sick and tired of people who vote or rant based on one or two issues, or just hammer down the party line. And I'm right there with you on Ann Coulter...that's a dude, for sure.

Your favorite SOMESTIC DISSENT!

H

PuyoPiyo

Jillio,

I have been noticing you have been taking me having a SSI as target or should I say, too personal, but about supporting the universe health benefits, let me explain you clearly exactly how I felt about the governments or even anyone trying to take control of us.

I have been attending the high school for 4 years and got a diploma, but now I just want to be an farmer, now you see that I've wasted 4 years of my lifetime because of high school and the government's craps while I can just drop out the high school and live with my grandparents on the farming to be trained to be an farmer just like my families, I could have learned the farming so fast at that age, but now it's different, my brain was packed of high school's worthless craps, I have to learn it so slow before I can actually be a farmer. I have been drinking and smoke the cigarettes since I was 14, and had been arrested several times because of that, but now they will leave me alone just because I am over 21 so those times when they arrest me was a waste of my times, including their times. Also, you know my personal relationship with my parents, they have been trying to control what I use my money from my motorcycle accident for 3 years, so another 3 years wasted of my lifetime, plus causing me have an depression issues which slow my mental about my life and myself, which I never deserve it or any of those I had said.

That's why I am considering the civil rights are very important than anything because the human's life, if they need the universe health benefit, or education, or whatever you call it, are absolutely none of our business or we are just messing up with their life.

Anyway, you can go ahead judging my life or taking my life too personal, making me feel so insecurity, but I get the funny feelings that you have a wonderful career as physologist, but I would assume you use your skills around here, the AD, just so you can be so smartass around the AD, it's strange how you respect your good career around the AD.

Finally, now you see how it felts when taking other's life too personal and put it up openly around the AD?

Now can you please leave my business with the SSI alone,

Jiro

hhmmmm... Maybe it's my avatar that confused you? I do actually live like a soldier (partially) and I have several soldier friends. I go to West Point once in a while to hang out with them... especially at firing range and bbq. I know how you feel about people ranting on just 1 or 2 issues but hey.... it's actually better getting those 1 or 2 issues done than none which they preach on all issues. I know some of my views are rather extreme and callous... which can be easily viewed as far right-wing but I have a reason for it.. at least just for myself. No one view is more right than others which is why I'm fine with having just half of each view together.... a compromise. For example - some wants to abolish death penalty. I support death penalty. Compromise? Limit the current range of penalties that is punishable by death to a small scope. You know what I'm saying?

Suffice to say - my political view is LARGELY based on "personal responsibility & limited government involvement" - which is of course.. a Republican view. But I bring in some Democratic view which is largely about civil rights and government intervention. Mix them together.. everybody's happy (... I hope).

and dude... I have absolutely no idea why and how Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly are still in business. Just about 99.9999% of things out of their garbage mouths are a complete TRASH. I rather listen to a racist black man than them. But they are still in business.... and it really saddens me that it's because many people want to hear more from them and actually believe them. sad.... sad.... I'd like to think it's because people want to listen what kind of crap they say so they can laugh at it but i don't think it's the case.....

PuyoPiyo

I hope so too!

BradB08

What do you consider to be freeloading?

In regards to the media narrative, they seem to be singling out people who call in or interview that claim that Obama is ignoring the working class. Of course, this simply is not true. I think Obama needs to work even harder to help reduce this sentiment. Keep in mind, some of these folks are what are called "Low-information" voters, which means they tend to only pay attention to soundbites and not the the actual positions of the candidates on issues.

jillio

I don't take your business with SSI personally at all. You are the one that brought it up. I simply find it odd that you keep saying the government has no business in anyone's life, while at the same time, you are living off of government assistance.

I consider civil rights to be extremely important, as well. Civil rights have been a concern of mine for any number of years, and I have actively worked, on more than one occasion and in more than one arena, to campaign for the civil rights of individuals.

If you choose to collect SSI, that is your business. No one judges you for collecting SSI....most certainly not me. In fact, I wish there were more social programs that were even more capable of offering people the assistance that they need. However, I firmly believe that these programs should be available to all who need them, and if one is willing to take advantage of these programs, then one looses the right to complain about government involvement in their life. I am also a firm believer in making your actions and words match up. If you accept government assistance, for whatever reason, then you have forfeited the right to complain about government involvement in the individual's life. If one wants to take a stand against government involvement in an individual's life, then one needs have the courage of the conviction, and refuse government assistance for oneself. To do otherwise is contradictory. To do otherwise is to preach one concept while practicing another.

Likewise, I am sorry that you have had a history of substance abuse. But that really has nothing to do with the issue.

I doubt seriously that a high school diploma is standing in the way of you becoming a farmer. What steps are you taking to realize your goal? Do you have a plan? Are you taking the action necessary to become a farmer, or are you simply sitting back and wishing for it to happen?

Everyone has obstacles that get put in their way. They don't just magically disappear. They have to be dealt with.

BradB08

Exactly. Mine did not last for long and I resorted to maxing out a credit card. This was 4 years ago.

Unemployment is paid through wages, not by taxpayers.

BradB08

I agree with what you say about practicing what you preach. If PuyoPiyo wants to make his point, he shouldn't be collecting government assistance while saying that others do not deserve the same assistance (i:e- Universal Healthcare).

That is hypocrisy and unfortunately, I cannot respect that, no matter the situation.

BradB08

At least you're attempting to clarify your positions, though I still don't get why you're bashing Obama when he proposes to lower taxes for folks that make under a certain amount of money. I'm at work now but I'd be glad to find the link to a chart I found that explains Obama's tax cuts vs McCain's tax cuts. There is a big difference in one or two of the tax brackets.

As for Law and Order, what's your favorite one? I enjoy watching Law and Order:SVU the most.

jillio

Accurate.