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Reba · 08-22-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

And?

And what? Why so testy today? I just thought it was an interesting site. People can find out about the Congressmen of their own states, and compare them to others. It's just interesting. It's no big deal. If you're not interested, don't go there.

Reba · 08-22-2008, 09:00 AM

. . . and if he did know every detail of his portfolio, people would call him a micromanaging nit picker.

Byrdie714 · 08-22-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

I am sure in the beginning McCain must have spent many years building his financial freedom. Once you reach to a point where you can afford someone to take over and manage your estate, that when you know you do not need to worry how much money in bank, or how many houses you own, or how many car you own.

Granted that may be true but still....how do you know those investors are trustworthy with your money? Afterall, we've had heard of investors making poor choices with people's money. Myself--I like to know where my money is and where it's going and why.

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Originally Posted by Reba

Just to keep things in perspective, that same linked story stated:

The Obamas aren't exactly poor themselves.

The difference between Obama and McCain is that McCain "married" into money whereas the Obamas are self-made millionaires.

Big difference between the two.

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Originally Posted by Reba

. . . and if he did know every detail of his portfolio, people would call him a micromanaging nit picker.

Wouldn't you want a President that knows the details of every little thing that passes by his desk before he signs off on it?

Nothing wrong with a micromanaging nit picker--it just shows that one actually pays attention to the details.

Deaf Mortgage · 08-22-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Granted that may be true but still....how do you know those investors are trustworthy with your money? Afterall, we've had heard of investors making poor choices with people's money. Myself--I like to know where my money is and where it's going and why.

The difference between Obama and McCain is that McCain "married" into money whereas the Obamas are self-made millionaires.

Big difference between the two.

Wouldn't you want a President that knows the details of every little thing that passes by his desk before he signs off on it?

Nothing wrong with a micromanaging nit picker--it just shows that one actually pays attention to the details.

If you give good tip your broker or investor profile agent, they will take care of your estate without a problem. They will be very happy to take care of your profile. When you get to the point of where your profile is very diversified, you don't have to worry about one bad investment.

Donald Trump has several bad investment but he still filthy rich. Why? Its because Donald diversified his profile to many type of investment. He not worried anymore.

Same with McCain.

jillio · 08-22-2008, 11:15 AM

[quote=Byrdie714;1070268]Granted that may be true but still....how do you know those investors are trustworthy with your money? Afterall, we've had heard of investors making poor choices with people's money. Myself--I like to know where my money is and where it's going and why.

The difference between Obama and McCain is that McCain "married" into money whereas the Obamas are self-made millionaires.

Big difference between the two.

Wouldn't you want a President that knows the details of every little thing that passes by his desk before he signs off on it?

Nothing wrong with a micromanaging nit picker--it just shows that one actually pays attention to the details.[/QUOTE]

Do we really want a President that is not detail oriented? I think not.

jillio · 08-22-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

yea well.... he's been tremendously busy with this Presidential race, you know. sometimes you'd forget how much a milk carton costs now when you're fighting to win a seat at White House... a once-in-the-lifetime chance

You have finally slipped completely over the edge!

Reba · 08-22-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

The difference between Obama and McCain is that McCain "married" into money whereas the Obamas are self-made millionaires.

Big difference between the two.

Wouldn't you want a President that knows the details of every little thing that passes by his desk before he signs off on it?

Nothing wrong with a micromanaging nit picker--it just shows that one actually pays attention to the details.

The point about their money was that they are both wealthy. It's not a matter of rich Republicans vs poor Democrats. There are also wealthy Democrats who marry money (John Kerry) or inherit it (Ted Kennedy).

The best CEOs don't micromanage. The best senior military leaders don't micromanage. They have staffs for that. The top executive needs to see the big picture, deal with the other top dogs, and delegate the execution of strategies to the right people.

Anyone who has worked under a micromanaging boss knows how little gets accomplished.

Liza · 08-22-2008, 12:37 PM

Lucky old bastard! LOL

Jiro · 08-22-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

awwww.... It´s only imaginable.... I wasn´t realize that you don´t understand the humor..

What I said that "I´m not surprised" is not humor but serious because it´s not just houses, he don´t know but more... (I´m sure that you remember the list, I made for him in other thread what he don´t know....)

I do understand it but it's a joke gone sour. lol

Jiro · 08-22-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Well many famous people know how many houses everywhere in the world they own and also banks as well...

let's see if they can keep track of everything while they run for presidency

Jiro · 08-22-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Granted that may be true but still....how do you know those investors are trustworthy with your money? Afterall, we've had heard of investors making poor choices with people's money. Myself--I like to know where my money is and where it's going and why.

The difference between Obama and McCain is that McCain "married" into money whereas the Obamas are self-made millionaires.

Big difference between the two.

Wouldn't you want a President that knows the details of every little thing that passes by his desk before he signs off on it?

Nothing wrong with a micromanaging nit picker--it just shows that one actually pays attention to the details.

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Originally Posted by jillio

Do we really want a President that is not detail oriented? I think not.

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Originally Posted by Reba

The best CEOs don't micromanage. The best senior military leaders don't micromanage. They have staffs for that. The top executive needs to see the big picture, deal with the other top dogs, and delegate the execution of strategies to the right people.

Anyone who has worked under a micromanaging boss knows how little gets accomplished.

Reba speaks the truth. so do many management books. Read "The Lazy Millionaire" for starter. If you micromanage everything especially as the President, you'll never get anything done.

this shows Obama does not know how to manage a large scale operation like.... government agencies. this shows how naive Obama is on how the world really works. this FURTHER shows Obama's inexperience.

jillio · 08-22-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Reba speaks the truth. so do many management books. Read "The Lazy Millionaire" for starter. If you micromanage everything especially as the President, you'll never get anything done.

this shows Obama does not know how to manage a large scale operation like.... government agencies. this shows how naive Obama is on how the world really works. this FURTHER shows Obama's inexperience.

Obviously, you don't understand the concept of "detail oriented".

And I bet Obama knows how many houses he owns!

Reba · 08-22-2008, 02:34 PM

I prefer my President stay focused on my country's business rather than his personal money-making business or any monkey business..

Jiro · 08-22-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Obviously, you don't understand the concept of "detail oriented".

And I bet Obama knows how many houses he owns!

oh gee I'm sorry that you want the President to care about trivial things that his staff can handle. I'm sure Obama would know how many houses he owns.... judging from his background... of course.. he's certainly not a very busy political man!

President of USA is not a detail-oriented job. It's an intense management-oriented job, silly.

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Originally Posted by Reba

I prefer my President stay focused on my country's business rather than his personal money-making business or any monkey business..

Byrdie714 · 08-22-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

oh gee I'm sorry that you want the President to care about trivial things that his staff can handle. I'm sure Obama would know how many houses he owns.... judging from his background... of course.. he's certainly not a very busy political man!

President of USA is not a detail-oriented job. It's an intense management-oriented job, silly.

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Originally Posted by Reba

The point about their money was that they are both wealthy. It's not a matter of rich Republicans vs poor Democrats. There are also wealthy Democrats who marry money (John Kerry) or inherit it (Ted Kennedy).

The best CEOs don't micromanage. The best senior military leaders don't micromanage. They have staffs for that. The top executive needs to see the big picture, deal with the other top dogs, and delegate the execution of strategies to the right people.

Anyone who has worked under a micromanaging boss knows how little gets accomplished.

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Originally Posted by jillio

Obviously, you don't understand the concept of "detail oriented".
And I bet Obama knows how many houses he owns!

Plus what is wrong with micro-management? An individual who micromanages obviously knows the company, inside-out. The individual is being detailed oriented.

The people who complain about being micromanage obviously have trouble following orders from their bosses and therefore should look for another job.

I would rather have a President that micromanages as they are detail oriented instead of leaving things in a gray area where one has to assume.

Tousi · 08-22-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Plus what is wrong with micro-management? An individual who micromanages obviously knows the company, inside-out. The individual is being detailed oriented.

The people who complain about being micromanage obviously have trouble following orders from their bosses and therefore should look for another job.

I would rather have a President that micromanages as they are detail oriented instead of leaving things in a gray area where one has to assume.

Byrdie, I think the term, "micro managing" has negative connotations 9 times out of 10....

Reba · 08-22-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Plus what is wrong with micro-management? An individual who micromanages obviously knows the company, inside-out. The individual is being detailed oriented.

The people who complain about being micromanage obviously have trouble following orders from their bosses and therefore should look for another job.

I would rather have a President that micromanages as they are detail oriented instead of leaving things in a gray area where one has to assume.

A person who micro manages does not necessarily know the business inside out. It just means the manager doesn't have faith in the abilities of those below him in the chain of command.

One of the most devestating entries on a corporate or military member's annual fitness report is "needs constant supervision."

Any leader who hasn't selected subordinates who can seamlessly and quickly pick up the reins when necessary isn't doing his job.

A leader who is clear about his goals and his standards won't have any "gray" areas

jillio · 08-22-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I prefer my President stay focused on my country's business rather than his personal money-making business or any monkey business..

If he can't stay focused on his own, I question how well he can focus on the country's.

jillio · 08-22-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

oh gee I'm sorry that you want the President to care about trivial things that his staff can handle. I'm sure Obama would know how many houses he owns.... judging from his background... of course.. he's certainly not a very busy political man!

President of USA is not a detail-oriented job. It's an intense management-oriented job, silly.

You find it trivial, but I would imagine that the number of people who have lost their only home to foreclosure as a result of the Bush's distrastrous policies and federal spending would find it pertinent, indeed.

Perhaps you don't see it as a "detail oriented" job, but that is just indication of your failure to understand the concept.

Jiro · 08-22-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You find it trivial, but I would imagine that the number of people who have lost their only home to foreclosure as a result of the Bush's distrastrous policies and federal spending would find it pertinent, indeed.

Perhaps you don't see it as a "detail oriented" job, but that is just indication of your failure to understand the concept.

sorry pal but you shouldn't be picking on only me. Are you saying Reba failed to understand the concept too?

I'd like to see you work at even mid-level corporation or any large organization. then you can come back and tell us of your finding. Micro-managing a large corporation (or a large organization) means you do not have faith in it and... in your shrink term - a control freak. This practice is widely regarded as ineffective in many management courses and books. Please go to your local bookstore and pick out a couple of business books. I recommend The Lazy Millionaire (easy read for beginner). I'd like to suggest a few more famous world-wide top-selling books but I have a feeling you'd disagree with most.

General von Manstein's (Germany army) wisdom -

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There are only 4 types of officer: First, there are the lazy, stupid ones. Leave them alone, they do no harm.

Second, there are the hard-working intelligent ones. They make excellent staff officers, ensuring that every detail is properly considered.

Third, there are the hard-working, stupid ones. These people are a menace and must be fired at once.

Finally, there are the intelligent lazy ones. They are suited for the highest office.

Jillio - sounds like you're the 2nd. Same for Obama.

Liebling:-))) · 08-23-2008, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

If he can't stay focused on his own, I question how well he can focus on the country's.

that´s exact what I am going to ask her about.

Liebling:-))) · 08-23-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

. . . and if he did know every detail of his portfolio, people would call him a micromanaging nit picker.

Do you have the problem with that micromangaging nit picker? I don´t but consider him as a caring persident for show his interest on his people´s welfare and country. Pay attention is the mainly important than "don`t know".

Liebling:-))) · 08-23-2008, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Please go to your local bookstore and pick out a couple of business books. I recommend The Lazy Millionaire (easy read for beginner)

Do you want "The Lazy Millionarie" to be the president of USA?

Jiro · 08-23-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Do you want "The Lazy Millionarie" to be the president of USA?

lol don't take it too literally. The title can be bit confusing. That's why you should read the book to understand exactly what the author meant about the title. It's an outstanding basic book and a very easy read. I highly recommend it. it can greatly help you to build a discipline with your personal managements (home, social life, managing bills, etc.) or anything in life.

of course... other famous old books are - "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" and "The Intelligent Investor" (hard read). These books say the same - a boss who micromanages everything IS INEFFECTIVE unless you're a masochist (it actually said that!) and you live in office.

Jiro · 08-23-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Do you have the problem with that micromangaging nit picker? I don´t but consider him as a caring persident for show his interest on his people´s welfare and country. Pay attention is the mainly important than "don`t know".

there's a difference between nit picker leader and a effective leader. Great leader chooses competent, qualified top men who follow and understand the President's agenda and entrust important decisions to them. He will do the follow-up meeting perhaps once a week or so to hear the progress. He will be immediately notified by them or his secretary for any situation that requires his immediate attention. Now that's an effective, smart leader.

Nit-picker leader who handles everything himself WILL NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE IN THIS ENORMOUSLY LARGE-SCALE ORGANIZATION AND HAS BEEN PROVEN INEFFECTIVE BY MANY EXPERTS!!!! If Obama wants to micro-manage it, he should be Secretary of ---- or be the top boss of a certain agency.

Oh BTW - Bill Clinton did not micromanage USA. He was simply bold and influential

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08-22-2008, 09:00 AM	#32 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 17,287	. . . and if he did know every detail of his portfolio, people would call him a micromanaging nit picker.

08-22-2008, 11:15 AM	#35 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,197	[quote=Byrdie714;1070268]Granted that may be true but still....how do you know those investors are trustworthy with your money? Afterall, we've had heard of investors making poor choices with people's money. Myself--I like to know where my money is and where it's going and why. The difference between Obama and McCain is that McCain "married" into money whereas the Obamas are self-made millionaires. Big difference between the two. Wouldn't you want a President that knows the details of every little thing that passes by his desk before he signs off on it? Nothing wrong with a micromanaging nit picker--it just shows that one actually pays attention to the details.[/QUOTE] Do we really want a President that is not detail oriented? I think not.

08-22-2008, 12:37 PM	#38 (permalink)
Liza Cranial protocologist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 4,189 Blog Entries: 2	Lucky old bastard! LOL

08-22-2008, 02:34 PM	#43 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 17,287	I prefer my President stay focused on my country's business rather than his personal money-making business or any monkey business..