Obama supporters? - Page 4

**Reba** · 08-07-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by EarthyTx

...Clinton was able taken care of the health care program, economy and much more. It gets better and which is why the American was pleased to vote him for the second term.

If Clinton already took care of the health care program, why is it such a campaign issue now?

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Second of all, Democratic nominee, Al Gore should have won the office; unfortunately, the senator in Fla is Jed Bush whose brother to Bush Jr. You don't know what they doing behind the scene and wink the eyes . We saw with our own eyes on the media that Al Gore has the highest majority vote; Gore should have won but instead Bush got the position. The media doesn't lie but we cannot see behind the scene. It is something that you need to consider that the Bush Admin is capable of doing the dirty job, threaten and you name it. We don't need that in the America.

Sour grapes. I wasn't thrilled when Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were elected but I accepted it without whining like a sore loser.

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Third of all, can you imagine that Bush's own daughter, Jenna Bush was interviewed by Larry King on CNN last April that she may not vote Mc Cain being president. She confessed she'd support Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama. She is a Democratic in her heart but in her father's eyes that she is a republican because he is her daddy. I bet you that she will vote Obama this November.

So? Lots of young people go thru a liberal stage. That's no big shock.

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Lastly, yes, Obama might be inexperienced but he is a senator for Illinois. He will be able to use that advantage in the white house if he becomes president. Look at Clinton was also inexperienced but fast learner and was able to change for better society. Therefore, Obama will do the same with a credible resources from Democratic Admin team and which is why he is working with a former president Bill Clinton. I strongly believe that Obama will do good job! I just had a good feeling!!

As a governor, Clinton at least had some administrative experience. Obama has never been in that position.

Where did you get the idea that B. Clinton and Obama were working together? From the interviews I've heard, the two of them have a very chilly, distant relationship.

Hwy99 · 08-07-2008, 03:33 PM

This debate seems are getting like "Democrat vs. Republic" debates lol, but I would prefer to vote for Democrat for this time because I know this country need the Democrat.

Look at the past, when Bill Clinton was president, LOT of houses are cheap and it was not really hard to buy a house. You can find bunches of houses only cost for $50,000 in my city, even $30,000. Since Bush was president for 8 years, you will never find them or they are just some of junkies. You have to work so hard to ensure you can afford $150,000 for a small house, or maybe you prefer a suburb houses, they cost $250,000 at the average. During Bill was president, only some of us require a roommate, but now most of us need a roommate or more to support our home.

I wonder who cause that? Those greedy people shaking our housing market and Bush seems doesn't give any crap about it.

Also I would like to see president to support on civil's rights such like GLBT's rights, which Bush don't give any crap about it and the hate crimes against GLBT continues which are not right.

I also am very tired of those governments changing and proposing bunches of unnecessary laws, I wonder why cannot we just stick with the old law and be happy with our good rights.

Although I am not Republic nor Democrat, I am more Liberal and Greenpeace. I am on those parties's sides because I know we need it today for our civil rights loss, global warmings, the ecomony, etc. And those parties doesn't have enough support and Obama have more similar goals as Liberal and Greenpeace compare to McCain so I guess I am for Obama this time.

**Liebling:-)))** · 08-07-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

yes perhaps but one troubling thing. Obama is extremely inexperienced and unproven and has no friends in Washington or anybody in powerful positions that are instrumental to cooperation. So far - he talks good but can he deliver?

The comparison of experience vs. success as president between Obama and Lincoln is almost similar. Obama is very intelligence, smart and respectful man like Lincoln was. They know how to make positive speech in manner way and talk about issues and give the people hopes. Sure, Obama might haven´t much experience like Lincoln but Lincoln made his job as president great. I beleive Obama would be good president.

Abraham Lincoln - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The wikipedia shows the comparison between McCain and Obama that Obama´s experience is good enough to be president. The people beleives that war experience should be qualified to be president but wikipedia writes about him is not good... Example "McCain came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel, he did not always obey the rules, and that contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899) that he did not aim to improve." - Read further in this link and judge yourself on both Obama and McCain.

John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Experience doesn't equal presidential success

Check this link

How Good Are Experienced Presidents?

Sure, McCain have more military experience than Obama but it seem to me that his experience made him into a bitter man. He is not bright man. Obama talks issues and McCain talks nonsense. I would say that Obama is an intelligent and smart than McCain...

Byrdie714 · 08-07-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Unnecessary post; ignore me.

Ignore you? I can't!

Afterall you do come up with good zingers......

**Liebling:-)))** · 08-07-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EarthyTx

First of all, the Clinton Admin team haven't cause any disaster but he has to wipe Republican Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr's butts. Clinton has to cleaned up everything to make it right. It proved that Bush Sr Admin job was such unorganized because he ran the office only one term. Clinton was able taken care of the health care program, economy and much more. It gets better and which is why the American was pleased to vote him for the second term.

Second of all, Democratic nominee, Al Gore should have won the office; unfortunately, the senator in Fla is Jed Bush whose brother to Bush Jr. You don't know what they doing behind the scene and wink the eyes . We saw with our own eyes on the media that Al Gore has the highest majority vote; Gore should have won but instead Bush got the position. The media doesn't lie but we cannot see behind the scene. It is something that you need to consider that the Bush Admin is capable of doing the dirty job, threaten and you name it. We don't need that in the America.

Third of all, can you imagine that Bush's own daughter, Jenna Bush was interviewed by Larry King on CNN last April that she may not vote Mc Cain being president. She confessed she'd support Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama. She is a Democratic in her heart but in her father's eyes that she is a republican because he is her daddy. I bet you that she will vote Obama this November.

Lastly, yes, Obama might be inexperienced but he is a senator for Illinois. He will be able to use that advantage in the white house if he becomes president. Look at Clinton was also inexperienced but fast learner and was able to change for better society. Therefore, Obama will do the same with a credible resources from Democratic Admin team and which is why he is working with a former president Bill Clinton. I strongly believe that Obama will do good job! I just had a good feeling!!

**Liebling:-)))** · 08-07-2008, 04:15 PM

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Of course not. Pay attention. I didn't mention Clinton's White House shenanigans in this thread at all. YOU brought it up, not me.

No you choose to misquote my response post to someone because I gave him right in first place. Did I quoted your response post to someone over Clinton? No...

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So? Your statement about the USA and England being the only countries involved was wrong. Accept it, and don't try to weasel out by changing the subject.

I did thank you for fresh my memory. It shows that I admitted my mistake. It look like that my response post to thank you to fresh my memory is not good enough for you or what? I added to remind you about reduce and withdraw because the article, you posted didn´t say about the troops from 27 countries reduce/withdraw but just Japan.

**Liebling:-)))** · 08-07-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Well - Bill Clinton has extensive experience since late 1970's. He was an Attorney General, Governor twice, and then President. and Obama? He started a political career just 10 years ago as a "member" of Illinois Senate and then only a couple years as Senator. Still too young and too inexperienced to be President. He does not know anybody nor has any connection to Washington boys. How is he going to effectively perform his job as the President? Just because the President has all the executive privilege does not mean he will get the job done. He's going to have hard time getting any of his agenda done. But I'll keep a small hope for him...

I saw/read Obama and McCain thru medias, TV, etc everyday and must say that Obama has enough experience and surrounds himself with politicans and is very intelligent himself. Obama talks issues. I do not want to say negative about McCain´s intelligent but his public intelligent shows itself as an immaturity child because he talks nonsense. I know from his speech that he is not brighter. McCain badmouth about Obama´s intelligent... What about himself? See yourself that McCain admitted himself that he graduated 5th grade...

John McCain: I graduated fifth from the bottom of my class
YouTube - John McCain: I graduated fifth from the bottom of my class

Anyway, I want to say that McCain is a war hero but not bright enough to be president.

**Liebling:-)))** · 08-07-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Where did you get the idea that B. Clinton and Obama were working together? From the interviews I've heard, the two of them have a very chilly, distant relationship.

Thursday, August 7, 2008
Obama Doubts Clinton Supporters Will Stir Trouble at Convention - America’s Election HQ

28th June 2008
100% INDONESIAN: Barrack Obama -Hillary Clinton in harmony

**Reba** · 08-07-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Thursday, August 7, 2008
Obama Doubts Clinton Supporters Will Stir Trouble at Convention - America’s Election HQ

28th June 2008
100% INDONESIAN: Barrack Obama -Hillary Clinton in harmony

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Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support
Bill Clinton is so bitter about Barack Obama's victory over his wife Hillary that he has told friends the Democratic nominee will have to beg for his wholehearted support.

By Tim Shipman in Washington and Philip Sherwell in New York
Last Updated: 8:16AM BST 30 Jun 2008

Mr Obama is expected to speak to Mr Clinton for the first time since he won the nomination in the next few days, but campaign insiders say that the former president's future campaign role is a "sticking point" in peace talks with Mrs Clinton's aides.

The Telegraph has learned that the former president's rage is still so great that even loyal allies are shocked by his patronising attitude to Mr Obama, and believe that he risks damaging his own reputation by his intransigence.

A senior Democrat who worked for Mr Clinton has revealed that he recently told friends Mr Obama could "kiss my ass" in return for his support.

A second source said that the former president has kept his distance because he still does not believe Mr Obama can win the election.

Mr Clinton last week issued a tepid statement, through a spokesman, in which he said he "is obviously committed to doing whatever he can and is asked to do to ensure Senator Obama is the next president of the United States ".

Mr Obama was more effusive at his unity event with Mrs Clinton on Friday, speaking fondly of the absent former president, who attended Nelson Mandela's birthday celebrations in London instead. The candidate told the crowd: "I know how much we need both Bill and Hillary Clinton as a party. They have done so much great work. We need them badly."

But his aides said he has so far concentrated on cementing relations with Mrs Clinton first. They say they are content to let relations with Mr Clinton thaw gradually.

It has long been known that Mr Clinton is angry at the way his own reputation was tarnished during the primary battle when several of his comments were interpreted as racist.

But his lingering fury has shocked his friends. The Democrat told the Telegraph: "He's been angry for a while. But everyone thought he would get over it. He hasn't. I've spoken to a couple of people who he's been in contact with and he is mad as hell.

"He's saying he's not going to reach out, that Obama has to come to him. One person told me that Bill said Obama would have to quote kiss my ass close quote, if he wants his support.

"You can't talk like that about Obama - he's the nominee of your party, not some house boy you can order around.

"Hillary's just getting on with it and so should Bill."

Another Democrat said that despite polls showing Mr Obama with a healthy lead over Republican John McCain, Mr Clinton doesn't think he can win.

The party strategist, who was allied to one of the early rivals to Mr Obama and the former First Lady, said Mr Clinton was "very unhopeful" about the nominee's prospects in November.

"Bill Clinton knows the party will unite behind Obama, but he is telling people he doesn't believe Obama can win round voting groups, especially working-class whites, in the swing states," the strategist said.

"He just doesn't think Obama will be able to connect with the voters he needs."

Joe Klein, the author of Primary Colours, a fictionalised account of Mr Clinton's 1992 election, who has known the former president for 20 years, said he also heard that he was "very, very bitter", from people who have spoken with him.

"It's time for him to get over it or go off and do his charitable work. He knows the rules of the road. What's going on now is kind of strange. I think his behaviour is really, really shocking."

Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support - Telegraph

**Jiro** · 08-07-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

The comparison of experience vs. success as president between Obama and Lincoln is almost similar. Obama is very intelligence, smart and respectful man like Lincoln was. They know how to make positive speech in manner way and talk about issues and give the people hopes. Sure, Obama might haven´t much experience like Lincoln but Lincoln made his job as president great. I beleive Obama would be good president.

Abraham Lincoln - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The wikipedia shows the comparison between McCain and Obama that Obama´s experience is good enough to be president. The people beleives that war experience should be qualified to be president but wikipedia writes about him is not good... Example "McCain came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel, he did not always obey the rules, and that contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899) that he did not aim to improve." - Read further in this link and judge yourself on both Obama and McCain.

John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Experience doesn't equal presidential success

Check this link

How Good Are Experienced Presidents?

Sure, McCain have more military experience than Obama but it seem to me that his experience made him into a bitter man. He is not bright man. Obama talks issues and McCain talks nonsense. I would say that Obama is an intelligent and smart than McCain...

Being a war hero or having military experience has nothing to do with Presidency qualification. McCain has much more experience than Obama and has far more connections than him to get the job done. Sure he's scary when he gets mad. sure sometimes he talks crazy. but he probably knows better than obama. To me - Obama seems like a young naivete who thinks he can change the world. That's what happens when you're young and inexperienced.

Oh about Lincoln? well he was assassinated so..... just saying he wasn't well-liked by many, had a bloody Civil War on his hands, and had a turbulent political career so... he's not exactly a great comparison for Obama.

**Jiro** · 08-07-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support - Telegraph

jillio · 08-07-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Being a war hero or having military experience has nothing to do with Presidency qualification. McCain has much more experience than Obama and has far more connections than him to get the job done. Sure he's scary when he gets mad. sure sometimes he talks crazy. but he probably knows better than obama. To me - Obama seems like a young naivete who thinks he can change the world. That's what happens when you're young and inexperienced.

Oh about Lincoln? well he was assassinated so..... just saying he wasn't well-liked by many, had a bloody Civil War on his hands, and had a turbulent political career so... he's not exactly a great comparison for Obama.

Obama just wants to change the sorry state that America is in. I think its the Bush adminsitration that set out to change the world, via forcing democracy down the throats of cultures that didn't want it, and have norms and values diametrically opposed to a democratic government.

**Jiro** · 08-07-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Obama just wants to change the sorry state that America is in.

yes in order to do that - you need experience, certain finesse skill, and most importantly - connections (as supporters to your proposal/bill). Washington doesn't work the way you'd think it would.

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Originally Posted by jillio

I think its the Bush adminsitration that set out to change the world, via forcing democracy down the throats of cultures that didn't want it, and have norms and values diametrically opposed to a democratic government.

in the name of 9/11 terrorism war.....

But I have to partially blame Clinton for letting 9/11 happened. Clinton was the one who crippled our defense capability by slashing a deep fund. He caused handful of senior ranking military officers to leave for lucrative offers in private sectors.

it's not fair to blame everything on Bush. It's the 9/11 that ruined everything. After all.... all war presidents in the history were chastised, spit at, etc.. and then couple decades later.. they were idolized as a hero... like Truman. However - I have a feeling that Bush is never gonna be called a hero even 100 years later

PowerON · 08-07-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Look at the past, when Bill Clinton was president, LOT of houses are cheap and it was not really hard to buy a house. You can find bunches of houses only cost for $50,000 in my city, even $30,000. Since Bush was president for 8 years, you will never find them or they are just some of junkies. You have to work so hard to ensure you can afford $150,000 for a small house, or maybe you prefer a suburb houses, they cost $250,000 at the average. During Bill was president, only some of us require a roommate, but now most of us need a roommate or more to support our home.

eh, house are low value already.

darkdog · 08-07-2008, 10:41 PM

Since this has largely become a Democrat vs. Republican thread, I'm curious about your guys' perspectives on the economy. I have four questions and I'd be interested to hear your answers. I can give my perspective later if you want.

Please explain your answers- not just yes or no.

1. Is Clinton responsible for the economic boom of the 90s?

2. Is Clinton responsible for the economic recession at the end of the 90s as he left office?

3. Is Bush responsible for the current slow economy?

4. Is Bush responsible for the economic boom after the recession he inherited, 9/11, and the string of corporate scandals?

Hwy99 · 08-08-2008, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

eh, house are low value already.

Not in Texas, Texas's housing market are one of America's low house values, but in California, Oregon, Washington, even New York, and others, there's a lot of people lose their home to foreclourse, prices going up and up, the prices are very slow dropping right now. It's scary to see that the home are difficult to get.

**Foxrac** · 08-08-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Not in Texas, Texas's housing market are one of America's low house values, but in California, Oregon, Washington, even New York, and others, there's a lot of people lose their home to foreclourse, prices going up and up, the prices are very slow dropping right now. It's scary to see that the home are difficult to get.

Also not in most portion of midwest region (outer of Chicago metro) and southeast region, New Mexico got cheaper housing value too, also AZ is more reasonable.

Hwy99 · 08-08-2008, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Also not in most portion of midwest region (outer of Chicago metro) and southeast region, New Mexico got cheaper housing value too, also AZ is more reasonable.

Yupp that was not really a issues for midwest, but other places like mine is.

Texan Guy · 08-08-2008, 02:05 AM

No, I'm not a Hussein supporter here.

(Remember 1st Amendment, dude.)

**Liebling:-)))** · 08-08-2008, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

Since this has largely become a Democrat vs. Republican thread, I'm curious about your guys' perspectives on the economy. I have four questions and I'd be interested to hear your answers. I can give my perspective later if you want.

Please explain your answers- not just yes or no.

Here is my answer to your 4 questions:

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1. Is Clinton responsible for the economic boom of the 90s?

Yes

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2. Is Clinton responsible for the economic recession at the end of the 90s as he left office?

No

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3. Is Bush responsible for the current slow economy?

Yes

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4. Is Bush responsible for the economic boom after the recession he inherited, 9/11, and the string of corporate scandals?

Yes

**Liebling:-)))** · 08-08-2008, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Not in Texas, Texas's housing market are one of America's low house values, but in California, Oregon, Washington, even New York, and others, there's a lot of people lose their home to foreclourse, prices going up and up, the prices are very slow dropping right now. It's scary to see that the home are difficult to get.

Yes, that's right.

Nostalgia for '90s economic boom giving Clinton a boost | The Honolulu Advertiser | Hawaii's Newspaper

**Liebling:-)))** · 08-08-2008, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support - Telegraph

wow

I can understand Bill's anger and thought his anger over Obama would get over for a while and would accept his knowledge that it's Americans' decision to vote... until I spot the sentence of your article written: "But his lingering fury has shocked his friends. The Democrat told the Telegraph: "He's been angry for a while. But everyone thought he would get over it. He hasn't. I've spoken to a couple of people who he's been in contact with and he is mad as hell." got me

because one of 2 links I posted was dated 7th August 2008.

I search until I found one...

Clinton: 'I never made a racist comment'
Ex-president admits some things ‘I wish I hadn't said’ during '08 campaign

Clinton: 'I never made a racist comment' - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com

Clinton told the reporter dated 4th August 2008. It look like that his anger over Obama is over and accept the fact that his wife Hillary lost her election to Obama.

What do you think of this?

**Liebling:-)))** · 08-08-2008, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Being a war hero or having military experience has nothing to do with Presidency qualification.

EXACTLY!!!!!!! You should support my POV on this instead of defense attacker against my POV over exact word at other thread...

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McCain has much more experience than Obama and has far more connections than him to get the job done.

What exactly about McCain's experience than Obama? Could you please be specific what's McCain kind of experience except military experience?

What's McCain's plan when he wins at election?

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Sure he's scary when he gets mad. sure sometimes he talks crazy.

Honestly, McCain's manner behavior is worst than Bush.

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but he probably knows better than obama.

How? All what I see is he didn't say very much about positive issues. Could you please help me to fresh my memory what's his positive issues ? It could be that McCain stick Bush's system when he wins at election? I only see his experience is negative/attack Obama more and more than talk positive issues.

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To me - Obama seems like a young naivete who thinks he can change the world. That's what happens when you're young and inexperienced.

I would like to remind you that Obama is 47 years old, not 7 or 17 years old...

Oh yes, Is it because of McCain's age that's why he have more experience than Obama?

If Obama want to change America or world then I see why not... Would you give him the chance if you want to see your country to be improve when he says that he want to change America?

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Oh about Lincoln? well he was assassinated so.....

Yes, he was a best president in the history.

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just saying he wasn't well-liked by many, had a bloody Civil War on his hands, and had a turbulent political career so...

He did was freed black slavery from white racists. What's your point?

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he's not exactly a great comparison for Obama.

I did said "almost" which mean is their talent and career. They both visited law school and have good school background... McCain? McCain only have military experience, that's it. I know his speech that he is not brighter. I would say that his intelligence is much worst than Bush.

BradB08 · 08-08-2008, 08:48 AM

I think I'll take a break from discussing politics on message boards or at least save it for Daily Kos.

I find all the fears over Obama to be silly and mostly unfounded and I honestly can't stand to read them. If you're an Obama supporter, you've probably heard the whole 9 yards worth of myths/lies/fears from people who refuse to think outside of the box.

jillio · 08-08-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

yes in order to do that - you need experience, certain finesse skill, and most importantly - connections (as supporters to your proposal/bill). Washington doesn't work the way you'd think it would.

in the name of 9/11 terrorism war.....

But I have to partially blame Clinton for letting 9/11 happened. Clinton was the one who crippled our defense capability by slashing a deep fund. He caused handful of senior ranking military officers to leave for lucrative offers in private sectors.

it's not fair to blame everything on Bush. It's the 9/11 that ruined everything. After all.... all war presidents in the history were chastised, spit at, etc.. and then couple decades later.. they were idolized as a hero... like Truman. However - I have a feeling that Bush is never gonna be called a hero even 100 years later

No, in the name of foreign oil. And the war is not the only issue. NCLB, the state of the economy, ever growing ranks of unemployed, uninsured, and dirt poor citizens, deteriorating foreign relations, etc, etc, etc. are just as big a concern as is the war. Bush has been in office long enough,that were he an effective leader, the Clinton legacy would have long been dealt with. Instead, we have seen the creation of greater problems. You cannot compare the leaders in office during WWI and WWII to a leader in office during Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, or the war today. Totally different issues, requiring totally different decisions.

And Bush will never be called a hero because he has done nothing heroic. They don't call Nixon a hero for the same reason.

jillio · 08-08-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

I think I'll take a break from discussing politics on message boards or at least save it for Daily Kos.

I find all the fears over Obama to be silly and mostly unfounded and I honestly can't stand to read them. If you're an Obama supporter, you've probably heard the whole 9 yards worth of myths/lies/fears from people who refuse to think outside of the box.

Sorry we won't be getting your input inthe future.

jillio · 08-08-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jiro123

Being a war hero or having military experience has nothing to do with Presidency qualification. McCain has much more experience than Obama and has far more connections than him to get the job done. Sure he's scary when he gets mad. sure sometimes he talks crazy. but he probably knows better than obama. To me - Obama seems like a young naivete who thinks he can change the world. That's what happens when you're young and inexperienced.

Oh about Lincoln? well he was assassinated so..... just saying he wasn't well-liked by many, had a bloody Civil War on his hands, and had a turbulent political career so... he's not exactly a great comparison for Obama.

Re: the first 2 bolded sentences, perhaps we need to look at the quality of that experience rather than the quantity of that experience. Of course, McCain has more experience....he's older. That only translates to better qualified if you use convoluted logic. Its the same thing in the business sector. Older workers with more experience are passed over every day in this country in favor of younger workers with more novel ideas. That is considered to be good business practice. Perhaps we should use some consistency in practice when we "hire" a president.

Re: the last 2 bolded sentences...that doesn't frighten you? I personally am a bit concerned about someone in a leadership position that exhibits those unstable qualities.

BradB08 · 08-08-2008, 09:10 AM

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Sorry we won't be getting your input inthe future.

I don't know about that. If it's a really ridiculous attack on Obama, sure.

But otherwise, I post about politics on so many other sites and most of them seem to be dominated by a conservative mindset, which usually irks me, especially when the nastiness starts.

Daily Kos is the only place I can post about politics and not be heckled by know-nothings (which was an actual political party in this country that preceded the Whigs and GOP).

jillio · 08-08-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

I don't know about that. If it's a really ridiculous attack on Obama, sure.

But otherwise, I post about politics on so many other sites and most of them seem to be dominated by a conservative mindset, which usually irks me, especially when the nastiness starts.

Daily Kos is the only place I can post about politics and not be heckled by know-nothings (which was an actual political party in this country that preceded the Whigs and GOP).

Do you think that is because the conservative mindset seems to be stuck in linear thinking, and simply repeats what they have heard another conservatist say without taking time to fully process it and apply it?

BradB08 · 08-08-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Do you think that is because the conservative mindset seems to be stuck in linear thinking, and simply repeats what they have heard another conservatist say without taking time to fully process it and apply it?

Yeah I believe it's just people repeating talking points. I have been accused of doing the same thing with liberal points but I've been a liberal since my teens and have always identified better with that view. Also, it's taken a while but I have developed my own views on issues with a strong liberal bent and there's very few things that I disagree with on that side of the political spectrum.

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08-07-2008, 03:33 PM	#92 (permalink)
Hwy99 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A town in middle of the rolling hills Posts: 6,141	This debate seems are getting like "Democrat vs. Republic" debates lol, but I would prefer to vote for Democrat for this time because I know this country need the Democrat. Look at the past, when Bill Clinton was president, LOT of houses are cheap and it was not really hard to buy a house. You can find bunches of houses only cost for $50,000 in my city, even $30,000. Since Bush was president for 8 years, you will never find them or they are just some of junkies. You have to work so hard to ensure you can afford $150,000 for a small house, or maybe you prefer a suburb houses, they cost $250,000 at the average. During Bill was president, only some of us require a roommate, but now most of us need a roommate or more to support our home. I wonder who cause that? Those greedy people shaking our housing market and Bush seems doesn't give any crap about it. Also I would like to see president to support on civil's rights such like GLBT's rights, which Bush don't give any crap about it and the hate crimes against GLBT continues which are not right. I also am very tired of those governments changing and proposing bunches of unnecessary laws, I wonder why cannot we just stick with the old law and be happy with our good rights. Although I am not Republic nor Democrat, I am more Liberal and Greenpeace. I am on those parties's sides because I know we need it today for our civil rights loss, global warmings, the ecomony, etc. And those parties doesn't have enough support and Obama have more similar goals as Liberal and Greenpeace compare to McCain so I guess I am for Obama this time.

08-07-2008, 10:41 PM	#105 (permalink)
darkdog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,354	Since this has largely become a Democrat vs. Republican thread, I'm curious about your guys' perspectives on the economy. I have four questions and I'd be interested to hear your answers. I can give my perspective later if you want. Please explain your answers- not just yes or no. 1. Is Clinton responsible for the economic boom of the 90s? 2. Is Clinton responsible for the economic recession at the end of the 90s as he left office? 3. Is Bush responsible for the current slow economy? 4. Is Bush responsible for the economic boom after the recession he inherited, 9/11, and the string of corporate scandals?

08-08-2008, 08:48 AM	#114 (permalink)
BradB08 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,676 Blog Entries: 1	I think I'll take a break from discussing politics on message boards or at least save it for Daily Kos. I find all the fears over Obama to be silly and mostly unfounded and I honestly can't stand to read them. If you're an Obama supporter, you've probably heard the whole 9 yards worth of myths/lies/fears from people who refuse to think outside of the box.